DPHF Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 Oh yeah, they playin'. I love it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzy0220 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 What's the objection to the Kraken? Seattle Baseball team name is the Mariners, why not tie it in with them? The tales from sea going mariners (one of the reasons I have a fascination with Pirate lore and joined the Worlds Finest Navy) speak of large Kraken type squid and Ghost ships, etc! Or am I just being stupid? LOL Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DDR Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 15 minutes ago, Fitzy0220 said: Or am I just being stupid? LOL Sometimes the simplest answer... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridleylash Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 On 12/25/2019 at 3:41 PM, Fitzy0220 said: What's the objection to the Kraken? Seattle Baseball team name is the Mariners, why not tie it in with them? The tales from sea going mariners (one of the reasons I have a fascination with Pirate lore and joined the Worlds Finest Navy) speak of large Kraken type squid and Ghost ships, etc! Or am I just being stupid? LOL It sounds minor-leaguey and not in a good way. That, and there are mariners in Seattle. There are no titanic ship-sinking Scandinavian cephalopods in Seattle. Decently-sized ones, maybe. None big enough to destroy a ship. The Seattle team's brand should be locally-appropriate first. Hell, compare it to other professional Seattle sports franchises; the Seahawks (named for the osprey, a local bird with ties to water and fish, both of which are important to Seattle), Mariners (a name for sailors; tied to the waters surrounding Seattle), SuperSonics (named for Seattle's prominence in aircraft manufacturing, tied into the city) and Sounders (named for Puget Sound, which is the body of water Seattle rests on)...and then there'd be the Kraken (Scandinavian mythological giant squid found off the coasts of Norway and Greenland; thus has no local ties to Seattle itself). With the Sockeye(s), you keep every team locally-appropriate; sockeye are traditionally very important to Natives of the Seattle region. And it works well for a professional franchise, despite seeming a little kitschy and kiddy. I mean, we literally have a team named the Penguins; why can't we also have a team named the Sockeyes? Plus it keeps the trend of Seattle professional teams having an S in their name somewhere. "Seahawks, Sounders, Supersonics, Sockeyes, Mariners, Dragons" works a lot better then "Seahawks, Sounders, Supersonics, Kraken, Mariners, Dragons" because with Sockeyes, every professional team has the same "-s" sound at the end. It feels more unified that way, like how Pittsburgh's professional teams all use yellow, black and white. Hell, add in the T-Birds and you get more of it; "Seahawks, Sounders, Supersonics, Sockeyes, Thunderbirds, Mariners, Dragons". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fitzy0220 Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 8 minutes ago, DastardlyRidleylash said: It sounds minor-leaguey and not in a good way. That, and there are mariners in Seattle. There are no titanic ship-sinking Scandanavian cephalopods in Seattle. Decently-sized ones, maybe. None big enough to destroy a ship. The Seattle team's brand should be locally-appropriate first. Hell, compare it to other professional Seattle sports franchises; the Seahawks (named for the osprey, a local bird with ties to water and fish, both of which are important to Seattle), Mariners (a name for sailors; tied to the waters surrounding Seattle), SuperSonics (named for Seattle's prominence in aircraft manufacturing, tied into the city) and Sounders (named for Puget Sound, which is the body of water Seattle rests on)...and then there'd be the Kraken (Scandanavian mythological giant squid found off the coasts of Norway and Greenland; thus has no local ties to Seattle itself). With the Sockeye(s), you keep every team locally-appropriate; sockeye are traditionally very important to Natives of the Seattle region. And it works well for a professional franchise, despite seeming a little kitschy and kiddy. I mean, we literally have a team named the Penguins; why can't we also have a team named the Sockeyes? Plus it keeps the trend of Seattle professional teams having an S in their name somewhere. "Seahawks, Sounders, Supersonics, Sockeyes, Mariners, Dragons" works a lot better then "Seahawks, Sounders, Supersonics, Kraken, Mariners, Dragons" because with Sockeyes, every professional team has the same "-s" sound at the end. It feels more unified that way, like how Pittsburgh's professional teams all use yellow, black and white. Hell, add in the T-Birds and you get more of it; "Seahawks, Sounders, Supersonics, Sockeyes, Thunderbirds, Mariners, Dragons". Cool Thanks for the info! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scrumptious Ham Posted December 25, 2019 Share Posted December 25, 2019 The colors of that salmon are pretty sweet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveindc Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 8 hours ago, DastardlyRidleylash said: It sounds minor-leaguey and not in a good way. That, and there are mariners in Seattle. There are no titanic ship-sinking Scandanavian cephalopods in Seattle. Decently-sized ones, maybe. None big enough to destroy a ship. The Seattle team's brand should be locally-appropriate first. Hell, compare it to other professional Seattle sports franchises; the Seahawks (named for the osprey, a local bird with ties to water and fish, both of which are important to Seattle), Mariners (a name for sailors; tied to the waters surrounding Seattle), SuperSonics (named for Seattle's prominence in aircraft manufacturing, tied into the city) and Sounders (named for Puget Sound, which is the body of water Seattle rests on)...and then there'd be the Kraken (Scandanavian mythological giant squid found off the coasts of Norway and Greenland; thus has no local ties to Seattle itself). With the Sockeye(s), you keep every team locally-appropriate; sockeye are traditionally very important to Natives of the Seattle region. And it works well for a professional franchise, despite seeming a little kitschy and kiddy. I mean, we literally have a team named the Penguins; why can't we also have a team named the Sockeyes? Plus it keeps the trend of Seattle professional teams having an S in their name somewhere. "Seahawks, Sounders, Supersonics, Sockeyes, Mariners, Dragons" works a lot better then "Seahawks, Sounders, Supersonics, Kraken, Mariners, Dragons" because with Sockeyes, every professional team has the same "-s" sound at the end. It feels more unified that way, like how Pittsburgh's professional teams all use yellow, black and white. Hell, add in the T-Birds and you get more of it; "Seahawks, Sounders, Supersonics, Sockeyes, Thunderbirds, Mariners, Dragons". Because penguins are cool. Everybody loves penguins. Sockeye salmon is mostly known as a fish fillet option at the grocery store. It would be like "Baltimore Blue Crabs". Why name a team after something most people only look at as a food option? Something more comparable to Pittsburgh Penguins would be Seattle Seals, or Seattle Sea Lions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynasty Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 29 minutes ago, daveindc said: Because penguins are cool. Everybody loves penguins. Sockeye salmon is mostly known as a fish fillet option at the grocery store. It would be like "Baltimore Blue Crabs". Why name a team after something most people only look at as a food option? Something more comparable to Pittsburgh Penguins would be Seattle Seals, or Seattle Sea Lions. Hey, food options can sometimes make for great logos. Take the Southern Maryland Blue Crabs of the Atlantic League, for example. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mingjai Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 1 hour ago, daveindc said: Sockeye salmon is mostly known as a fish fillet option at the grocery store. It would be like "Baltimore Blue Crabs". Why name a team after something most people only look at as a food option? I guess they’d be in good company with conference rival Anaheim Ducks. I think of ducks as a food option at least as often as I think of sockeye salmon. Visit my store on REDBUBBLE Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveindc Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 1 hour ago, Dolphins Dynasty said: Hey, food options can sometimes make for great logos. Take the Southern Maryland Blue Crabs of the Atlantic League, for example. That's great for some Minor League or Independent League baseball team. Not so much for a NHL team. Imagine naming your professional hockey players something most people only think of as food you rip apart and devour. Same thing with sockeye salmon fillet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ridleylash Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 8 hours ago, daveindc said: That's great for some Minor League or Independent League baseball team. Not so much for a NHL team. Imagine naming your professional hockey players something most people only think of as food you rip apart and devour. Same thing with sockeye salmon fillet. Imagine naming your professional hockey franchise after a fat and flightless bird that waddles around and spends it's time defecating on other penguins. The Penguins did that and they're among the most beloved brands in the league. Imagine making the most iconic brand element of your professional hockey franchise a maple leaf, something that can't even hurt anything, is most notable when it's dying and is food for basically any herbivorous animal in Canada. That's what the Leafs did, and they're one of the most beloved and iconic brands in all of sport. Imagine naming your professional sports franchise something generic just because you don't want to even be given a little ribbing for choosing an identity your market would be proud to support. That's how you don't endear yourself to a fanbase without winning history. Who the hell cares if people from New York City mock the team for being named for a fish or call them the Suckeyes? If the people in Seattle love it, that's a successful brand. The most important element of branding is, after all, getting locals attached to your brand. And the fan-favourite name in Seattle has been the "Sockeyes". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gosioux76 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 10 hours ago, daveindc said: Because penguins are cool. Everybody loves penguins. Sockeye salmon is mostly known as a fish fillet option at the grocery store. It would be like "Baltimore Blue Crabs". Why name a team after something most people only look at as a food option? Something more comparable to Pittsburgh Penguins would be Seattle Seals, or Seattle Sea Lions. This can't really be all you known of salmon, right? That it's a fish people occasionally like to eat? Spend 5 minutes in the Pacific Northwest -- hell, even on a layover at the airport -- and you'll recognize it's one of the defining symbols of the region, along with Mt. Rainier, the Space Needle and evergreens. As @DastardlyRidleylash pointed out earlier, this is a legitimate identifier unique to the region and with deep spiritual meaning to native populations. It's far less of a novelty than Penguins or Ducks or (heaven forbid) Kraken. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 Sockeye is also the occasional outcome of two guys dropping the gloves, if you want to make a case for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewharrington Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 19 hours ago, DastardlyRidleylash said: There are no titanic ship-sinking Scandanavian cephalopods in Seattle. I’d guess that’s probably because they’re mythological, and you’d have a hard time finding one anywhere else, too. There’s also this, for what it’s worth: A New Generation Is Embracing Seattle’s Nordic History and Culture The National Nordic Museum I still don't have a website, but I have a dribbble now! http://dribbble.com/andyharry [The postings on this site are my own and do not necessarily represent the position, strategy or opinions of adidas and/or its brands.] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrewharrington Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 19 hours ago, DastardlyRidleylash said: Plus it keeps the trend of Seattle professional teams having an S in their name somewhere. "Seahawks, Sounders, Supersonics, Sockeyes, Mariners, Dragons" works a lot better then "Seahawks, Sounders, Supersonics, Kraken, Mariners, Dragons" because with Sockeyes, every professional team has the same "-s" sound at the end. It feels more unified that way, like how Pittsburgh's professional teams all use yellow, black and white. Hell, add in the T-Birds and you get more of it; "Seahawks, Sounders, Supersonics, Sockeyes, Thunderbirds, Mariners, Dragons". This is not a theme. I bet there are two dozen cities that could make a similar or identical claim. It doesn’t hold anywhere near the same weight as the color unity of Pittsburgh’s teams. I still don't have a website, but I have a dribbble now! http://dribbble.com/andyharry [The postings on this site are my own and do not necessarily represent the position, strategy or opinions of adidas and/or its brands.] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliforniaGlowin Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 1 hour ago, DastardlyRidleylash said: Imagine making the most iconic brand element of your professional hockey franchise a maple leaf, something that can't even hurt anything Good point. I was blasted for my jellyfish idea, but at least a jellyfish is deadly! And Sockeyes has a double meaning because of the fighting in the sport. I dig it. Last updated 2/26 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gosioux76 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 48 minutes ago, CaliforniaGlowin said: Good point. I was blasted for my jellyfish idea, but at least a jellyfish is deadly! And Sockeyes has a double meaning because of the fighting in the sport. I dig it. I kinda think this is cool, too. However, I'd be really surprised if the team -- should they choose Sockeyes -- used any imagery referencing someone getting punched in the eye. Not that hockey isn't a violent sport that still celebrates the occasional fight, it just doesn't really seem like an image the league openly embraces anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaliforniaGlowin Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 Don't give the Sockeyes name to Brandiose, they'd make the logo a fish throwing a punch! Yea I know they would emphasize the fish, but the fans know the deeper meaning! Last updated 2/26 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartacat_12 Posted December 26, 2019 Share Posted December 26, 2019 4 hours ago, gosioux76 said: I kinda think this is cool, too. However, I'd be really surprised if the team -- should they choose Sockeyes -- used any imagery referencing someone getting punched in the eye. Not that hockey isn't a violent sport that still celebrates the occasional fight, it just doesn't really seem like an image the league openly embraces anymore. It is a bit like Thrashers (a name I really liked). It's a local animal with cultural significance in the region, and it's also connotative to the violent nature of the sport. They don't need to have any violent imagery in their logos for that to come through. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawk36 Posted December 27, 2019 Share Posted December 27, 2019 I'd add that Sockeyes are also incredibly determined, fighting for miles upstream to their last breath to achieve their ultimate goal. I think the spin doctors would have a pretty easy time with that. Design Hovie Studios Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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