Philsphan Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 With the talk of Big East basketball schools jumping ship, I was thinking about how smart it would have been for the ACC to grab Georgetown after Maryland left. Yes, G'town doesn't play FBS football but it secures the DC market again and adds to the overall brand of the ACC. Games against Syracuse, BC and Notre Dame would be great television. If the ACC wanted to go to an 18 team league, they could add Villanova and St. John's. That would give the ACC a basketball monopoly of the East Coast and they could play their conference tournament at MSG. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rams80 Posted December 12, 2012 Share Posted December 12, 2012 With the talk of Big East basketball schools jumping ship, I was thinking about how smart it would have been for the ACC to grab Georgetown after Maryland left. Yes, G'town doesn't play FBS football but it secures the DC market again and adds to the overall brand of the ACC. Games against Syracuse, BC and Notre Dame would be great television.If the ACC wanted to go to an 18 team league, they could add Villanova and St. John's. That would give the ACC a basketball monopoly of the East Coast and they could play their conference tournament at MSG.Adding basketball schools when you are a football league is insanely stupid. Quote On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said: You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now. On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said: Today, we are all otaku. "The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010 The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH42XCC Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 With the talk of Big East basketball schools jumping ship, I was thinking about how smart it would have been for the ACC to grab Georgetown after Maryland left. Yes, G'town doesn't play FBS football but it secures the DC market again and adds to the overall brand of the ACC. Games against Syracuse, BC and Notre Dame would be great television.If the ACC wanted to go to an 18 team league, they could add Villanova and St. John's. That would give the ACC a basketball monopoly of the East Coast and they could play their conference tournament at MSG.Adding basketball schools when you are a football league is insanely stupid.If Georgetown, Villanova, and St. John's wanted to join the ACC, these things would have to happen:-Georgetown's football program (which is currently in the FCS) would have to upgrade their stadium to FBS standards; same with Villanova.-St. John's would have to relaunch their football program, which they discontinued in 2002.Neither of these things are happening. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 With the talk of Big East basketball schools jumping ship, I was thinking about how smart it would have been for the ACC to grab Georgetown after Maryland left. Yes, G'town doesn't play FBS football but it secures the DC market again and adds to the overall brand of the ACC. Games against Syracuse, BC and Notre Dame would be great television.If the ACC wanted to go to an 18 team league, they could add Villanova and St. John's. That would give the ACC a basketball monopoly of the East Coast and they could play their conference tournament at MSG.Adding basketball schools when you are a football league is insanely stupid.If Georgetown, Villanova, and St. John's wanted to join the ACC, these things would have to happen:-Georgetown's football program (which is currently in the FCS) would have to upgrade their stadium to FBS standards; same with Villanova.-St. John's would have to relaunch their football program, which they discontinued in 2002.Neither of these things are happening.Villanova was prepared to go FBS, but by the time they finally decided, the Big East took the offer off the table. I think that would be a mistake though. As for the stadium situation, they could share Franklin Field with Penn while deciding what to do about their own stadium (which IMO is not much, because that area can't support the traffic that a big-time program would bring in.) Quote "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
illwauk Posted December 13, 2012 Share Posted December 13, 2012 With the talk of Big East basketball schools jumping ship, I was thinking about how smart it would have been for the ACC to grab Georgetown after Maryland left. Yes, G'town doesn't play FBS football but it secures the DC market again and adds to the overall brand of the ACC. Games against Syracuse, BC and Notre Dame would be great television.If the ACC wanted to go to an 18 team league, they could add Villanova and St. John's. That would give the ACC a basketball monopoly of the East Coast and they could play their conference tournament at MSG.Adding basketball schools when you are a football league is insanely stupid.If Georgetown, Villanova, and St. John's wanted to join the ACC, these things would have to happen:-Georgetown's football program (which is currently in the FCS) would have to upgrade their stadium to FBS standards; same with Villanova.-St. John's would have to relaunch their football program, which they discontinued in 2002.Neither of these things are happening.Villanova was prepared to go FBS, but by the time they finally decided, the Big East took the offer off the table. I think that would be a mistake though. As for the stadium situation, they could share Franklin Field with Penn while deciding what to do about their own stadium (which IMO is not much, because that area can't support the traffic that a big-time program would bring in.)Wasn't Villanova eyeing Phily Union's facility at some point? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JackieMoon Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 My 2014 NHL Realignment Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH42XCC Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 With the talk of Big East basketball schools jumping ship, I was thinking about how smart it would have been for the ACC to grab Georgetown after Maryland left. Yes, G'town doesn't play FBS football but it secures the DC market again and adds to the overall brand of the ACC. Games against Syracuse, BC and Notre Dame would be great television.If the ACC wanted to go to an 18 team league, they could add Villanova and St. John's. That would give the ACC a basketball monopoly of the East Coast and they could play their conference tournament at MSG.Adding basketball schools when you are a football league is insanely stupid.If Georgetown, Villanova, and St. John's wanted to join the ACC, these things would have to happen:-Georgetown's football program (which is currently in the FCS) would have to upgrade their stadium to FBS standards; same with Villanova.-St. John's would have to relaunch their football program, which they discontinued in 2002.Neither of these things are happening.Villanova was prepared to go FBS, but by the time they finally decided, the Big East took the offer off the table. I think that would be a mistake though. As for the stadium situation, they could share Franklin Field with Penn while deciding what to do about their own stadium (which IMO is not much, because that area can't support the traffic that a big-time program would bring in.)Wasn't Villanova eyeing Phily Union's facility at some point?Yup. If I remember correctly, Villanova once thought about playing at PPL Park, just in case the football program were to move up to the FBS level. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrySmalls Posted December 14, 2012 Share Posted December 14, 2012 My 2014 NHL RealignmentI see the brilliance in this post! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrySmalls Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 Future NHL (24 Teams: 15 American Teams, 9 Canadian Teams; 6 Teams per Division):Wales Conference:Patrick Division:Boston BruinsPhiladelphia FlyersPittsburgh PenguinsNew Jersey DevilsNew York RangersWashington CapitalsAdams Division:Buffalo SabresHamilton Tigers (relocated Florida Panthers)Montreal CanadiensOttawa SenatorsQuebec Nordiques (relocated New York Islanders)Toronto Maple LeafsCampbell Conference:Norris Division:Chicago BlackhawksColorado AvalancheDetroit Red WingsMinnesota WildSt. Louis BluesWinnipeg JetsSmythe Division:Calgary FlamesEdmonton OilersLos Angeles KingsSan Jose SharksSeattle Totems (relocated Phoenix Coyotes)Vancouver CanucksTeams disenfranchised: Anaheim Ducks, Carolina Hurricanes, Columbus Blue Jackets, Dallas Stars, Nashville Predators, and the Tampa Bay Lightning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCall Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 Future NHL (24 Teams: 15 American Teams, 9 Canadian Teams; 6 Teams per Division):Wales Conference:Patrick Division:Boston BruinsPhiladelphia FlyersPittsburgh PenguinsNew Jersey DevilsNew York RangersWashington CapitalsAdams Division:Buffalo SabresHamilton Tigers (relocated Florida Panthers)Montreal CanadiensOttawa SenatorsQuebec Nordiques (relocated New York Islanders)Toronto Maple LeafsCampbell Conference:Norris Division:Chicago BlackhawksColorado AvalancheDetroit Red WingsMinnesota WildSt. Louis BluesWinnipeg JetsSmythe Division:Calgary FlamesEdmonton OilersLos Angeles KingsSan Jose SharksSeattle Totems (relocated Phoenix Coyotes)Vancouver CanucksTeams disenfranchised: Anaheim Ducks, Carolina Hurricanes, Columbus Blue Jackets, Dallas Stars, Nashville Predators, and the Tampa Bay Lightning.Why are you disenfranchising so many teams? Some of them, Stars, Canes, Lightning and Ducks are rather successful. And why relocate the Isles when they just agreed to a move to Brooklyn? Did you just randomly choose teams? Quote https://dribbble.com/MakaioCall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 Yeah, that's too many teams to cut, but I'm missing the part where the Carolina Hurricanes were successful, unless having won a most forgettable Stanley Cup with the second-liners of the late '90s while otherwise missing postseasons and hemorrhaging money constitutes "successful." I'm against contracting six teams, and not even that high on contracting two, but I can't think of any team more inessential to the league than they are. Quote ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCall Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 Yeah, that's too many teams to cut, but I'm missing the part where the Carolina Hurricanes were successful, unless having won a most forgettable Stanley Cup with the second-liners of the late '90s while otherwise missing postseasons and hemorrhaging money constitutes "successful." I'm against contracting six teams, and not even that high on contracting two, but I can't think of any team more inessential to the league than they are.Columbus, Florida and Phoenix. Maybe even Nashville.Contract or merge Phoenix, Columbus and Florida into Quebec and go 28 teams, 4 divisions/conferences of 7.Quick geographical alignmentWest: VAN, CLG, EDM, SJ, LA, ANA, COLCentral: STL, MIN, DAL, CHI, DET, NSH, WINNorth: TOR, OTT, MON, BOS, PIT, QUE, BUFEast: NYI, NYR, NJ, PHI, WAS, CAR, TB Quote https://dribbble.com/MakaioCall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrySmalls Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 I knew my moves would start a flame war. It would be great to see hockey return to a pre-30 team league even if it rumples a few fan bases' feathers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 Yeah, that's too many teams to cut, but I'm missing the part where the Carolina Hurricanes were successful, unless having won a most forgettable Stanley Cup with the second-liners of the late '90s while otherwise missing postseasons and hemorrhaging money constitutes "successful." I'm against contracting six teams, and not even that high on contracting two, but I can't think of any team more inessential to the league than they are.Columbus, Florida and Phoenix. Maybe even Nashville.Phoenix and Miami, for all their myriad flaws as hockey towns, are at least large enough population centers and media markets that you can halfheartedly defend having given them a whirl. Raleigh gives you roughly the population of Hartford or Milwaukee with none of the hockey culture and three college teams to stand in line behind (though admittedly, their roommate is kind of the Shemp of the three). Nashville and Columbus, I'll happily give you, but I dunno, at least Nashville is something in the great quilt of America and not just a bunch of office parks and ring roads where people flee from Pittsburgh and Buffalo.Your 28-team alignment is intriguing, but the costs and logistics of merging three organizations into one kinda makes my head spin. Quote ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCall Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 Yeah, that's too many teams to cut, but I'm missing the part where the Carolina Hurricanes were successful, unless having won a most forgettable Stanley Cup with the second-liners of the late '90s while otherwise missing postseasons and hemorrhaging money constitutes "successful." I'm against contracting six teams, and not even that high on contracting two, but I can't think of any team more inessential to the league than they are.Columbus, Florida and Phoenix. Maybe even Nashville.Phoenix and Miami, for all their myriad flaws as hockey towns, are at least large enough population centers and media markets that you can halfheartedly defend having given them a whirl. Raleigh gives you roughly the population of Hartford or Milwaukee with none of the hockey culture and three college teams to stand in line behind (though admittedly, their roommate is kind of the Shemp of the three). Nashville and Columbus, I'll happily give you, but I dunno, at least Nashville is something in the great quilt of America and not just a bunch of office parks and ring roads where people flee from Pittsburgh and Buffalo.Your 28-team alignment is intriguing, but the costs and logistics of merging three organizations into one kinda makes my head spin.Then move one and contract the other two. I was just saying some form of going from 30 to 28.And markets aside, you look at what teams are having success, financially and such. Now I don't religiously follow hockey, but it appears to me that Carolina is in better shape than the other ones. Quote https://dribbble.com/MakaioCall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted December 15, 2012 Share Posted December 15, 2012 They lost $9.5 million last year, which puts them ahead of eight teams, though that perhaps says more about the other eight teams.The Blue Jackets are bleeding twice as badly, and you've gotta think that between the complete history of futility, the 1.5+ lockouts, and the cancelled All-Star Game, the earth out there is tasting mighty salty. Of course, they just got that arena bailout, which nevertheless makes them nearly immovable for the next thirtysome years, so that should be a fun zombie team to watch in about four, five years or so. Quote ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH42XCC Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 While we're at it, here's what a 32-team NHL would look like.EASTERN CONFERENCEAtlanticNew Jersey DevilsNew York Islanders (Brooklyn)New York RangersPhiladelphia FlyersNortheastBoston BruinsMontreal CanadiensOttawa SenatorsToronto Maple LeafsSoutheastCarolina HurricanesFlorida PanthersTampa Bay LightningWashington CapitalsCentralBuffalo SabresColumbus Blue JacketsDetroit Red WingsPittsburgh PenguinsWESTERN CONFERENCECentralChicago BlackhawksMinnesota WildNashville PredatorsSt. Louis BluesNorthwestCalgary FlamesEdmonton OilersVancouver CanucksWinnipeg JetsSouthwestColorado AvalancheDallas StarsHouston ExpansionPhoenix CoyotesPacificAnaheim DucksLos Angeles KingsPortland ExpansionSan Jose Sharks...or we could always go with a 28-team NHL.EASTERN CONFERENCEAtlanticCarolina HurricanesNew Jersey DevilsNew York IslandersNew York RangersPhiladelphia FlyersTampa Bay LightningWashington CapitalsNortheastBoston BruinsBuffalo SabresMontreal CanadiensOttawa SenatorsPittsburgh PenguinsQuebec Nordiques (relocated Phoenix Coyotes)Toronto Maple LeafsWESTERN CONFERENCECentralChicago BlackhawksDallas StarsDetroit Red WingsMinnesota WildNashville PredatorsSt. Louis BluesWinnipeg JetsPacificAnaheim DucksCalgary FlamesColorado AvalancheEdmonton OilersLos Angeles KingsSan Jose SharksVancouver CanucksContracted teamsColumbus Blue JacketsFlorida Panthers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
McCall Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 While we're at it, here's what a 32-team NHL would look like.EASTERN CONFERENCEAtlanticNew Jersey DevilsNew York Islanders (Brooklyn)New York RangersPhiladelphia FlyersNortheastBoston BruinsMontreal CanadiensOttawa SenatorsToronto Maple LeafsSoutheastCarolina HurricanesFlorida PanthersTampa Bay LightningWashington CapitalsCentralBuffalo SabresColumbus Blue JacketsDetroit Red WingsPittsburgh PenguinsWESTERN CONFERENCECentralChicago BlackhawksMinnesota WildNashville PredatorsSt. Louis BluesNorthwestCalgary FlamesEdmonton OilersVancouver CanucksWinnipeg JetsSouthwestColorado AvalancheDallas StarsHouston ExpansionPhoenix CoyotesPacificAnaheim DucksLos Angeles KingsPortland ExpansionSan Jose Sharks...or we could always go with a 28-team NHL.EASTERN CONFERENCEAtlanticCarolina HurricanesNew Jersey DevilsNew York IslandersNew York RangersPhiladelphia FlyersTampa Bay LightningWashington CapitalsNortheastBoston BruinsBuffalo SabresMontreal CanadiensOttawa SenatorsPittsburgh PenguinsQuebec Nordiques (relocated Phoenix Coyotes)Toronto Maple LeafsWESTERN CONFERENCECentralChicago BlackhawksDallas StarsDetroit Red WingsMinnesota WildNashville PredatorsSt. Louis BluesWinnipeg JetsPacificAnaheim DucksCalgary FlamesColorado AvalancheEdmonton OilersLos Angeles KingsSan Jose SharksVancouver CanucksContracted teamsColumbus Blue JacketsFlorida PanthersDon't think 32 teams would work, especially one that keeps the Coyotes in Phoenix.I do agree with your 28-team plan, though that could be because I posted the exact same thing a few posts before. Quote https://dribbble.com/MakaioCall Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Houston is a much better expansion option than Portland, however, there are some cities that I think would be better. My favorite two options will appear at the bottom:Based on current attendance averages per game of all current domestic hockey leagues, these are the teams that rank the highest (the Canadian Hockey Leagues attendance statistics are taken from last season...I can't find the attendance figures ANYWHERE!). Includes AHL, ECHL, CHL, SPHL, QMJHL, WHL, OHL, NCAA Div. I, USHL, and NAHL teams (the Federal Hockey League, NCAA Div. III, and Canadian Interuniversity Sport college teams are not listed)1. North Dakota (Grand Forks, ND) 11,7502. Quebec Remparts (Quebec City, PQ) 10,5253. Minnesota Golden Gophers (Minneapolis, MN) 9,7714. Wisconsin Badgers (Madison, WI) 9,4195. Hershey Bears (Hershey, PA) 9,0856. London Knights (London, ON) 8,8597. Fort Wayne Komets (Fort Wayne, IN) 7,8298. Calgary Hitmen (Calgary, AB) 7,4289. Lake Erie Monsters (Cleveland, OH) 7,18410. Providence Bruins (Providence, RI) 7,07611. Hamilton Bulldogs (Hamilton, ON) 7,067the list above is all of the teams whose per game attendance is above 7,000.2. Quebec Remparts (Quebec, PQ) 10,52516. Houston Aeros (Houston, TX) 6,37038. Missouri Mavericks (Independence, MO) 5,33562. Las Vegas Wranglers (Las Vegas, NV) 4,51472. Portland Winterhawks (Portland, OR) 4,085the list above includes most of the cities commonly thrown around as potential NHL franchisesThe 229-team list I have compiled so far (without NCAA Div III, FHL, and CIS teams) is a pretty good representation of a city's hockey appreciation during the NHL lockout (the Canadian Hockey League's 2011-12 attendances may be higher than average considering that playoff hockey reports are usually higher than mid-season per-game averages).Some of my conclusions:This list of 229 teams ranked in the order of per-game attendance averages is, if nothing else, probably a great representation of which cities should have AAA (AHL) teams. Have a look:"2nd tier North American pro hockey league"Western ConferenceOntario, CAVictoria, BCKelowna, BCCalgary, ABGrand Forks, NDDenver, COHouston, TXSan Antonio, TXMinneapolis, MNDuluth, MNMadison, WIChicago, ILFort Wayne, INGrand Rapids, MIToledo, OHEastern ConferenceLondon, ONToronto, ONWindsor, ONKitchener, ONHamilton, ONOrlando, FLCleveland, OHRochester, NYHershey, PABridgeport, CTProvidence, RIQuebec, PQBoston, MAHalifax, NSSt. John's, NLUSING CURRENT "MINOR LEAGUE" (NO NCAA/JUNIOR) TEAMSEastern ConferenceNortheast DivisionSt. John's IceCaps WPGProvidence Bruins BOSBridgeport Sound Tigers NYIToronto Marlies TORW-B/Scranton Penguins PITAtlantic DivisionHershey Bears WDCSyracuse Crunch TBRochester Americans BUFHamilton Bulldogs MTLLake Erie Monsters COLSoutheast DivisionOrlando Solar Bears NYRNorfolk Admirals ANACharlotte Checkers CARGwinnett Gladiators PHXFlorida Everblades NJWestern ConferenceCentral DivisionToledo Walleye CHIFort Wayne Komets OTTGrand Rapids Griffins DETEvansville IceMen PHIChicago Wolves VANMidwestHouston Aeros MINSan Antonio Rampage FLATexas Stars DALMissouri Mavericks STLColorado Eagles NSHPacificUtah Grizzlies CGYOntario Reign LAStockton Thunder EDMBakersfield Condors CBJAlaska Aces SJ*I tried to keep all of the current affiliations for the current teamsThe best choices for NHL expansion are suburban Toronto and Quebec City (the NHL is really undervaluing Canadian cities)*does anyone have the 2012-13 CIS/Canadian Hockey League per-game attendance figures or know of where I can at least begin looking?Go Mavs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
max Posted December 16, 2012 Share Posted December 16, 2012 Post-Apocalyptic NHL-2 conferences (East/West)-8 divisions-62, 77, 80, or 81 games (balanced schedule, balanced schedule +conf opponents, b.s.+conf/div opponents, b.s.+conf/div/rival)-divisional playoff round (top 2 from each division face each other in first round of the playoffs - Kings vs. Sharks, Oilers vs. Flames, etc. every year)-divisional round winners re-seeded using some new method other than total points-Stanley CupWestern ConferenceLos Angeles KingsSan Jose SharksAnaheim DucksArizona CoyotesVancouver CanucksCalgary FlamesEdmonton OilersWinnipeg JetsMinnesota WildColorado AvalancheSt. Louis BluesDallas StarsDetroit Red WingsChicago BlackhawksColumbus Blue JacketsNashville PredatorsEastern ConferenceWashington CapitalsTampa Bay LightningFlorida PanthersCarolina HurricanesPhiladelphia FlyersBrooklyn IslandersNew Jersey DevilsNew York RangersToronto Maple LeafsQuebec EXPANSIONMontreal CanadiensOttawa SenatorsToronto EXPANSIONBoston BruinsBuffalo SabresPittsburgh Penguins Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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