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45 minutes ago, athleticsfan2k8 said:

Mr. neo_prankster here's what you did to make all 4 Pro Football Leagues into 1 Entity as Major League Football


NFL & AFL had 16 Teams Each
CFL had 10 Teams
WLAF had 20 Teams

Total: 62 Teams


At Least you could had added 2 more Teams from Canada to make it to 64, maybe you can do the same as the MLB (if it merges with the PCL & CL) for more teams.


I guess you're right. Where would you suggest I expand in Canada? The Maritimes perhaps?

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Just for :censored:s and giggles, here's what I think the NFL would look like if they gave a :censored: about geography


NFC East: NYG, Washington, Philadelphia, Carolina


NFC South: Atlanta, Tampa Bay, New Orleans, Dallas


NFC North: Chicago, Green Bay, Detroit, Minnesota


NFC West: Los Angeles, Arizona, Seattle, San Francisco


AFC East: New England, Buffalo, NYJ, Baltimore


AFC South: Jacksonville, Tennessee, Kansas City, Miami


AFC North: Pittsburgh. Cincinnati, Cleveland, Indianapolis


AFC West: Denver, Oakland, San Diego, Houston


How'd I do?

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11 minutes ago, FlyEaglesFly76 said:


Normally I would agree, but this alignment is about Geography, not history.


Fine.  Geographically Houston fits better in the South division and Kansas City in the West.

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American Premier League was founded by the 50 states' football associations as an alternate to MLS. They emphasize local, grassroots football rather than the internationalism of the MLS, as most players are from the local community. There is pro/rel just like MLS & NASL, and those two leagues are still under the USSF, But the APL is run by the 50 states' FA foing business as APL System. Under the APL Pyramid is the respective leagues of the state's football associations.


American Premier League

  • Eastern Conference
    • Metro-North Division
      • Cherry Hill A's
      • Flamengo Newark 
      • Jersey City SC 
      • Maccabi Brooklyn SC 
      • Manhattan Gotham Knights FC
      • New York Royals SC 
      • Newark Rams 
      • Philadelphia City SC 
      • Queens Metropolitan SC 
      • Sport Club do Portuguesa do Newark 
    • Metro-South Division
      • Allegheny AC Pittsburgh 
      • Arlington Pentagons SC
      • Baltimore Slavic SC 
      • Baltimore Zulu FC 
      • Inter Washington SC 
      • Lancaster Red Roses SC 
      • Penn-German SC Harrisburg 
      • Richmond Grays 
      • Washington Federals SC 
      • York White Roses SC 
    • North Atlantic Division
      • Boston Harps AC 
      • Boston Militia AC 
      • Bronx Rangers AC 
      • Buffalo Polonia Storm AC 
      • Heart of Connecticut SC 
      • Manchester City of New Hampshire 
      • Manchester NH United 1751
      • Rochester Roadrunners SC 
      • Springfield Eagles FC 
      • Syracuse Orange Crusaders AC 
    • East Great Lakes Division
      • AFC Cincinnati Roses 
      • Akron Kings SC 
      • Buckeye Sporting Club of Columbus 
      • Cleveland Sicilians FC 
      • Detroit Motors FC 
      • Grand Rapids Oranje 
      • Indianapolis Crossroads 
      • Louisville Villains 
      • Western Reserve Chiefs SC Cleveland 
      • Youngstown Young Boys 
  • Southern Conference
    • Appalachian Division
      • Asheville Aviators SC 
      • Atlanta Black Cats 
      • Atlanta Olympic AC 
      • Charleston Celtic 
      • Chattanooga Cavaliers 
      • Huntington City SC 
      • Inter Atlanta 
      • Kentucky FC 
      • Roanoke Saxon Lions 
      • Sporting Ashland Miners 
    • Piedmont Division
      • Charlotte Blues 
      • Charlotte City FC 
      • Chapel Hill SC 
      • Columbia Spurs 
      • Durham City FC 
      • Greenville SC 
      • Liverpool FC Norfolk 
      • Macon Ems 
      • Raleigh Wolves 
      • Sparta AC Spartanburg 
    • Gulf-Tex Division
      • America del El Paso 
      • Baton Rouge Cajuns 
      • Chelsea Memphis 
      • Dallas Oilers 
      • Houston Silverhawks 
      • Jackson Astros SC 
      • Little Rock Naturals 
      • New Orleans Soul 
      • OKC Tribe SC 
      • Texas Soccer Rangers of Austin 
    • South Atlantic Division
      • Athletic Miami 
      • Charleston Hurricanes AC 
      • Hilton Head Islanders 
      • Jacksonville Albion 
      • Myrtle Beach Sharks 
      • Orlando Swamp Gators 
      • Real Miami Flamingos 
      • Savannah Seagulls 
      • Tallahassee Tribe SC 
      • Tampa Conquistadors SC 
  • Midwest Conference
    • Western Great Lakes Division
      • Admirals AC Benton Harbor 
      • Bavaria of Chicago 
      • Chicago Northside SC 
      • Chicago Southsiders United SC
      • Finlandia AC Green Bay 
      • Gary Kings SC 
      • Joliet Jackrabbits 
      • Madison SC 
      • Milwaukee Shamrocks 
      • Rockford Swedes 
    • Northlands Division
      • AC Eau Claire Penguins 
      • Bismarck Explorers 
      • Borussia Green Bay 
      • Duluth Celtic 
      • Etihad SC Twin Cities 
      • Fargo Fire 
      • Football Club Viking Minneapolis 
      • Madison Honey Badgers SC 
      • Sioux Falls Presidents 
      • Twin City Black Stars SC 
    • Heartland Division
      • Big D's of Des Moines AC 
      • Bohemia Des Moines AC 
      • Hearts of Kansas City 
      • Joplin 66 SC 
      • Kansas City Jayhawks 
      • Omaha Orioles SC 
      • Ozarks AC Springfield 
      • Sporting Tulsa Rangers 
      • Topeka Canaries SC 
      • Wichita Arsenal 
    • Mississippi River Division
      • Cape Girardeau AC 
      • Champaign-Urbana SC 
      • Dubuque Hawkeyes 
      • Germania St. Louis 
      • Olympians of St. Louis 
      • Paducah Pirates 
      • Peoria City FC 
      • Sporting Evansville 
      • Springfield Illinois SC 
      • St. Louis Hibernia 
  • Western Conference
    • Northern California Division
      • Bear Flag Rangers San Jose 
      • Berkeley Athletic 
      • Fresno SC 
      • Italia SF 
      • Oakland Aztecs 
      • Oakland Corinthians 
      • San Francisco Gold Rush FC 
      • San Francisco United FC 
      • San Jose Hispania 
      • Santa Clara FC 
    • Southern California Division
      • Aztlan Los Angeles 
      • Beverly Hills SC 
      • Chula Vista Saints 
      • Compton Cowboys 
      • Los Angeles SC 
      • Olympic Anaheim 
      • Orange United FC 
      • Riverside SC 
      • San Diego AC 
      • Samurai Los Angeles 
    • Cascadia Division
      • Eugene FC 
      • Everett FC 
      • Kent Kougars AC 
      • Portland Celtic 
      • Portland Emeralds 
      • Salem Scots 
      • Seattle Everton FC
      • Seattle Thunderstorm
      • Spokane Lions
      • Tacoma Titans 
    • Rockies Division
      • Billings Bighorns 
      • Boulder SC 
      • Butte Celtic Warriors 
      • Centennial Centurions
      • Colorado Springs Crusaders
      • Denver 5280
      • Denver Schalke 04 
      • Missoula Bulls 
      • Phoenix Wings SC 
      • Rapid City R's 

American Premier League 2 Metro

  • Metro North Division
    • Apollonius Jersey Shore
    • Barcelona del Newark
    • Camden C's
    • Club Atletico del Bronx
    • Hackensack AC
    • Hoboken Celtic SC
    • Manhattan Albion
    • Mohammed AC Philadelphia
    • Yonkers Italian Stallions
    • Zion Kiryas Joel SC
  • Metro-South Division
    • Alexandria SC
    • DC Ethiopians AC
    • Fairfax Paladins
    • Frederick Generals SC
    • Glen Burnie SC
    • Juventus Towson
    • Ripkens SC
    • Slovakia Athletic Pittsburgh
    • State College SC
    • Wilmington Roosters AC

American Premier League 2 Northeast Border

  • North Atlantic Division
    • Albany Electric FC
    • Amherst Athletic SC
    • Anglia Maine SC
    • Binghamton B's
    • Buffalo Power AC
    • Cambridge AC
    • Port Charles SC
    • Providence Blues SC
    • Niagara Falls FC
    • Vermont Maple Leafs
  • East Great Lakes Division
    • Canton All-Star SC
    • Covington Bengal Tigers
    • Dynamo Detroit
    • Fort Wayners SC
    • Indy United FC
    • Lexington Athletic SC
    • Parma Wojownicy KS
    • South Bhend Bhoys
    • Terre Haute Birds SC
    • Toledo Pistons SC

American Premier League 2 Appalachian & Piedmont

  • Appalachian Division
    • Alpharetta SC
    • Athens Ohio SC
    • Blacksburg SC
    • Clemson Lions SC
    • Hickory SC
    • Ironton SC
    • Johnson City FC
    • Lynchburg SC
    • Marietta SC
    • Smoky Mountain FC
  • Piedmont Division
    • Athenians of Georgia FC
    • Concordians SC
    • Dukes SC
    • Gastonia SC
    • Greensboro G's SC
    • High Point SC
    • Kannapolis Kangaroos
    • Pumas Charlotte FC
    • Rock Hill SC
    • Winston Salem Warriors SC

American Premier League 2 South Coastal

  • Gulf-Tex Division
    • Arlington Athletic SC
    • Alamo Defenders CF
    • Chivas Odessa
    • College Station SC
    • Dallas Red Devils
    • Excelsior Amarillo
    • Fayetteville Warthogs SC
    • Fort Worthers SC
    • Memphis Green Gorillas SC
    • Monroe SC
  • South Atlantic Division
    • Cocoa SC
    • Fort Lauderdale Rangers SC
    • Gainesville SC
    • Jacksonville Jackals
    • Ocala O's
    • Palm Coast SC
    • Racing Daytona
    • St. Pete Seagulls
    • Statesboro SC
    • Tiburones de St. Lucie

American Premier League 2 North Central Border

  • Western Great Lakes Division
    • Beloit Bison
    • Chicago Celtic FC
    • Chicagoland Hoosiers SC of East Chicago
    • Janesville Rocks SC
    • Kalamazoo Knights SC
    • Kenosha SC
    • Milwaukee City SC
    • Racine AC
    • Rockford AC
    • Wauwatosa SC
  • Northlands Division
    • Appleton SC
    • Grand Forks FC
    • La Crosse SC
    • Mankato City SC
    • Oshkosh SC
    • Pierre SC
    • St. Cloud Stormers SC
    • St. Paul Knights
    • Superior Lakers SC
    • Yankton Yankees SC

American Premier League 2 Middle America

  • Heartland Division
    • Branson AC
    • Columbia SC
    • Jeff City SC
    • Lawrence SC
    • Lenexa SC
    • Little Gotham SC
    • Overland Park SC
    • Power & Light SC
    • Rolla SC
    • Sioux City SC
  • Mississippi River Division
    • Cairo SC
    • Davenport Daggers SC
    • East St. Louis SC
    • Farmington SC
    • Martin Falcons SC
    • Mayfield SC
    • Saint Charles SC
    • Sikeston SC
    • Superman Metropolis SC
    • University City SC

American Premier League 2 California

  • Northern California Division
    • Aston Villa San Jose
    • Club Atletico Juniors Oakland
    • Eureka SC
    • Nauticals SF
    • Oakland Golden Arrows
    • Palestine SC of California
    • Reno Cowboys SC
    • Stockton Clippers SC
    • Visalia SC
    • Yuba City SC
  • Southern California Division
    • 21st Century SC
    • Bakersfield Barons SC
    • Glendale Miasnakan FC
    • Indio AC
    • Inglewood SC
    • Long Beach SC
    • National City CF
    • Pasadena Petals
    • Rodeo Drive Rovers
    • San Bernardino St. Bernards

American Premier League 2 Northwest Border

  • Cascadia Division
    • Beavertonians
    • Bend Blues
    • Chinooks of Seattle
    • Coeur d'Alene SC
    • Corvallis Valiant SC
    • Moscow Cossacks AC
    • Pullman SC
    • Vancouver Washingtonians
    • Walla Walla Dubs SC
    • Yakima Yaks SC
  • Rockies Division
    • Aurora Northern Lights
    • Cheyenne Wranglers SC
    • Euskal Boise
    • Globo AC Albuquerque
    • Idaho Falls SC
    • Kalispell Magic
    • Las Vegas SC
    • Red Rocks AC
    • Salt Lake SC
    • Tuscon Atletico
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That APL is one crazy list. I wish this was real. No matter where you'd be, you would never be far from a soccer stadium.


I came up with a scenario of my own for MLS. In the near future, the league reaches 30 teams. Only then do they decide to give division play a chance. Here's how they would divvy them out...



Atlantic Division 

New York Red Bulls

New York City FC 

Montreal Impact 

New England Revolution 

Philadelphia Union


Southeast Division 

DC United

Orlando City SC

Miami Flamingos

Atlanta United FC

Hampton Roads FC Neptune


Great Lakes Division 

Chicago Fire 

Columbus Crew SC 

St. Louis FC

Toronto FC

Spirit of Detroit



Heartland Division 

Sporting Kansas City 

Minnesota United FC 

FC Dallas 

Houston Dynamo 

San Antonio Rangers 


Cascadia Division 

Vancouver Whitecaps FC 

Seattle Sounders FC 

Portland Timbers 

Colorado Rapids 

Real Salt Lake 


Golden State Division 

Los Angeles Galaxy

Los Angeles FC

San Jose Earthquakes 

Sacramento Republic FC 

Las Vegas Eleven 

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On 8/18/2016 at 6:47 PM, FlyEaglesFly76 said:

Just for :censored:s and giggles, here's what I think the NFL would look like if they gave a :censored: about geography


NFC East: NYG, Washington, Philadelphia, Carolina

As much as I'd love that because it makes a TON more sense than Dallas in the East, heated rivalries have already been well established and you can't mess with that. Dallas in the East makes as much sense as Atlanta in the NFC West from 1970-2001.

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MLB Realignment:




-more balanced schedule to meaningfully compare records of all teams

-larger divisions to increase the chances of the top teams making playoffs

-geographical grouping in Central, Mountain, and Pacific time zones to cut down on travel

-address concerns voiced during 1997 realignment talks:

     -CHC, CHW did not want to be in same division because it would decrease total # of games on WGN.

     -NYM, PIT, CIN, ATL did not want to join AL

-keep the same number of teams in all divisions in case of expansion teams

-shorten schedule as has been discussed by MLB already and will be again at next labor talks


Proposal: (assumes expansion to Montreal and Charlotte, can be done without expansion)










Schedule: 12 games vs. each division opponent, 3 games vs. each remaining team in MLB. Total 156 games. So every team in baseball has at least 93 games in common with any other team, making record comparisons for the wild cards meaningful. 


Postseason: 4 division winners and 4 wild cards. No play-in games. All series best of 7.


If expansion teams are Montreal and Mexico, then CIN goes to Atlantic and Mexico goes to Central.

If expansion teams are Montreal and Portland, then CIN goes to Atlantic, Colorado goes to Central, and Portland goes to Pacific.

Other combinations of MON, CHA, MEX, SA, & POR (the likely expansion candidates) only involve CIN and COL moving among the Atlantic, Central, and Pacific as appropriate to accommodate the expansion teams.



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Assuming the AL and NL will be retained with something like their historical memberships, the following would work and still accomplish the above goals:










Schedule: 14 games vs. each division opponent, 7 games vs. each opponent in another division, which would rotate on a 3-year basis. Total 154 games. (Actually I'd love to go back to 22 games vs. each division opponent with no interdivisional play and only the division winners in the playoffs, but I wanted to propose something that has a chance to actually be approved by MLB owners.)


Postseason: Top 2 in each division. (With the more division-based schedule, wild cards cannot be justified.) All postseason series would be best of 7.


Potential downside: NYM-NYY and CHC-CHW would only occur every third year. But would anyone care?


Note the fact that all Pacific time zone teams being in the NL would not make travel more difficult for NL clubs because NL East clubs would not be playing NL West clubs any more than AL clubs do, just once every third year.






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  • 1957-58 MLB Offseason: After Robert Moses rejected his proposal to build a new domed stadium in Downtown Brooklyn, Walter O'Malley decides to take Moses' alternative proposition of moving his ballclub to a new ballpark in Flushing Meadows-Corona Park in Queens, thus renaming themselves the New York Dodgers; meanwhile, Horace Stoneham -- owner of the New York Giants    Baseball Club -- pulls his team out of the aging Polo Grounds in Manhattan and relocates them to the Upper Midwest, settling in Minneapolis, Minnesota; the team would be rechristened as the Minnesota Giants; with the Giants relocating to Minnesota, the Dodgers are ensured that New York City still has a National Leauge franchise.
  • 1958-59 MLB Seasons: With the new stadium in Queens under construction, the Dodgers play their final 2 seasons at Brooklyn's Ebbets Field, with selected games at the Polo Grounds -- ironically, the former home of their now-former crosstown rivals, the Giants -- and Roosevelt Stadium in Jersey City, New Jersey.
  • 1960 MLB Season: The newly-rechristened New York Dodgers officially move into their new home ballpark in Flushing Meadows; the stadium is named "Walter F. O'Malley Municipal Stadium" after the franchise's owner.
  • 1960-61 MLB Offseason: The original Washington Senators relocate to Los Angeles, California, and are renamed the Los Angeles Angels; however, the Nation's Capital would not be without baseball for long, as the American League adds a new Washington Senators franchise as one of two expansion teams; the other being the San Francisco Seals.
  • 1961-62 MLB Offseason: Following suit with the AL from the previous offseason, the National League expands with 2 new franchises of their own: the Houston Colt .45s (which would later become the Houston Astros) and the Los Angeles Stars.
  • 1965-66 MLB Offseason: Despite their newfound success in Milwaukee -- after relocating from Boston in 1953 -- the Braves still relocate to Atlanta due to two factors: 1) William Bartholomay, who purchased the team in 1962, desired to move them to a larger TV market; and 2) the fast-growing city of Atlanta, GA -- led by Mayor Ivan Allen, Jr. -- had just completed a new stadium in hopes of bringing an existing MLB and/or NFL/AFL team to the area.
  • 1968-69 MLB Offseason: MLB expands 4 more teams (2 in the AL, and 2 in the NL); The American League receives the Seattle Pilots and the Milwaukee Brewers, while the National League adds the Oakland Oaks and the Montreal Royales (the latter of the two being the first MLB franchise to play in Canada).
  • Before 1970 MLB Season: Due to financial woes, poor play on the field, and the fact that they had to play at a dilapidated former minor league baseball stadium -- Sick's Stadium, the long time home of the then-Pacific Coast League's Rainiers -- the Seattle Pilots were declared bankrupt one week before the start of the 1970 MLB season, thus, clearing the way for their move to San Diego, CA; the team would then be purchased by prominent San Diego businessman C. Arnholdt Smith, who rechristened them the San Diego Padres (after the former PCL team which he owned).
  • 1971-72 MLB Offseason: The Washington Senators relocate to the Dallas-Fort Worth Area of Texas and rebrand themselves as the Texas Rangers.
  • 1975-76 MLB Offseason: The American League approves 2 new expansion franchises to begin play in 1977: The Seattle Mariners (after the city of Seattle, King County, and the state of Washington agreed to drop their lawsuit against the AL for breach of contract, after the Pilots' relocation to San Diego in 1970) and the Toronto Blue Jays (the 2nd MLB Canadian franchise).
  • June 1991: The National League approves expansion bids for both Denver, CO and Miami, FL; the two clubs -- respectively named the Colorado Rockies and the Florida (now Miami) Marlins -- would begin play in 1993.
  • March 9, 1995 (During 1994-95 MLB Strike): MLB names Phoenix, AZ, and Tampa, FL, as expansion franchises, both beginning play in 1998; the Phoenix franchise (which would be known as the Arizona Diamondbacks) would play in the National League, while the Tampa franchise (which would become the Tampa Bay Devil Rays, and later simply the Tampa Bay Rays) would play in the American League); since interleague play didn't exist at the time of the announcement, the San Diego Padres would agree to move from the AL to the NL to ensure that both leagues had an even number of teams (the AL with 14 teams, and the NL with 16).
  • September 29, 2004: MLB announces the relocation of the Montreal Royales to Washington, D.C., for the 2005 season; the team would be renamed the Washington Nationals.
  • 2012-13 MLB Offseason: The Houston Astros move from the National League to the American League, giving both leagues 15 teams and ensuring season-long interleague play.






  • Baltimore Orioles
  • Boston Red Sox
  • New York Yankees
  • Tampa Bay Rays
  • Toronto Blue Jays



  • Chicago White Sox
  • Cleveland Indians
  • Detroit Tigers
  • Kansas City A's
  • Milwaukee Brewers



  • Houston Astros
  • Los Angeles Angels
  • San Francisco Seals
  • Seattle Mariners
  • Texas Rangers



  • Atlanta Braves
  • Miami Marlins
  • New York Dodgers
  • Philadelphia Phillies
  • Washington Nationals



  • Chicago Cubs
  • Cincinnati Reds
  • Minnesota Giants
  • Pittsburgh Pirates
  • St. Louis Cardinals



  • Arizona Diamondbacks
  • Colorado Rockies
  • Los Angeles Stars
  • Oakland Oaks
  • San Diego Padres


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And Now A Vocal Drill Anthology of Interest of our National Pasttime: Baseball with the Premier Major Leagues


American League: Baltimore Orioles, Boston Red Sox, Buffalo Bisons, Chicago White Sox, Cleveland Blues, Detroit Tigers, Indianapolis Racers, Newark Bears, New York Yankees, Toledo Mud Hens, Toronto Blue Jays, Washington Senators
National League: Brooklyn Dodgers (2), Chicago Cubs, Cincinnati Reds, Columbus Clippers, Halifax Voyageurs, Hartford Yard Goats, Milwaukee Braves (3), Montreal Expos, New York Mets, Philadelphia Phillies, Pittsburgh Pirates, Providence Grays
Pacific League (4): Anaheim Amigos, Hollywood Stars, Honolulu Islanders, Los Angeles Angels, Oakland Oaks, Portland Beavers, Sacramento Solons, San Diego Padres, San Francisco Seals, Tijuana Toros, Vancouver Mounties
Plainsian League: Cedar Rapids Kernels, Fargo Redhawks, Iowa Oaks, Kansas City Monarchs (5), Lincoln Railers, Minnesota Giants (6), Oklahoma City 89ers, Omaha Heartlanders, St. Louis Cardinals, Tulsa Oilers, Wichita Aeros, Winnipeg Goldeyes
Southern League: Atlanta Crackers, Birmingham Barons, Charlotte Knights, Durham Bulls, Little Rock Travelers, Louisville Redbirds, Memphis Chicks, Miami Marlins, Nashville Sounds, Norfolk Tides, Orlando Sun Sox, Tampa Bay Rays
Tex-Mex League: Acapulco Sunrays, Dallas Rangers, Ft. Worth Cats, Guadalajara Gatos, Houston Astros, Jalisco Luchadores, Mexico City Diablos Rojos, Mexico City Tigres, Monterrey Bandidos, New Orleans Pelicans (7), Round Rock Express, San Antonio Missions
Western League: Albuquerque Dukes, Arizona Diamondbacks, Boise Spuds, Calgary Cannons, Colorado Rockies, Colorado Springs Sky Sox, Edmonton Trappers, Idaho Falls Chukars, Las Vegas Blackjacks, Phoenix Firebirds, Reno Bighorns, Salt Lake City Bees
Caribbean League: Cibao Eagles, Oriental Stars, Cibao Gigantes, Escogido Lions, Licey Tigres, La Romana Toros, Santurce Cangrejeros, Caguas Creoles, Marianao Tigres, Almendares Alacranes, Magallanes Navigators, Zuila Eagles


(1) = Cleveland Indians is replaced to make it politically correct
(2) = Dodgers can't bolt for Los Angeles they stay in Brooklyn
(3) = Milwaukee Braves are NOT going to Atlanta in a VDAoI
(4) = Pacific Coast League merged with Major League Baseball in 1950 as the league expanded to 24 Teams
(5) = Philadelphia Athletics left for Kansas City in 1955 before absorbing their Negro League Counterpart and renamed after their Negro League club in 1960
(6) = New York Giants left for Minneapolis in 1956 (The Year after the A's leave for Kansas City)
(7) = The NBA Team named after that Baseball team never existed however will have Basketball in New Orleans exist in the pro as the New Orleans Jazz (they don't relocate to Salt Lake City, I'm Sorry)


All Told 96 Teams in the MLB Premiership, The Top 8 Winners of the League and the Top 8 Wildcard Teams Compete in a Playoff to the Determine the Champion in the World Series

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This isn't so much a realignment as an alternate history. What if Walter O'Malley agreed to a stadium deal at Flushing Meadows, as proposed by Robert Moses, and kept the Dodgers in Brooklyn? I tried to keep the timeline as close to reality as possible.


1958: The Dodgers and the City of New York reach an agreement to build a new multipurpose stadium in Flushing Meadows. Realizing they are the odd man out in New York, the New York Giants announce a move to Minneapolis, and become the Minnesota Giants.


1961: Prior to the 1961 season, American League owners vote to expand by two teams. For the past few years, Calvin Griffith had been in discussions with Los Angeles officials to move the Washington Senators to LA. The main obstacle was trying to find another AL team to accompany them to the West Coast, without which other AL owners would not approve a relocation to Los Angeles. With the expansion, the original Washington Senators opted to relocate to Los Angeles to become the Los Angeles Angels. The San Francisco Seals and a replacement Washington franchise, the "new" Washington Senators, became the two new AL franchises.


1962: The new Flushing Meadows Stadium opens in Queens, and the Brooklyn Dodgers decide to rename themselves the New York Dodgers as a result. The National League, not wanting to have fewer teams than the AL, opt to expand as well for the 1962 season. Expansion franchises are awarded to the Houston Colt .45s, and not wishing to miss out on the West Coast, the Los Angeles Stars.


1965: The Houston Colt .45s rename themselves the Houston Astros upon their move to the new Astrodome. Meanwhile, the new Angel Stadium in Chavez Ravine opens up for the Los Angeles Angels. The Los Angeles Stars relocate to Anaheim, though they maintain their name.


1966: The Milwaukee Braves relocate to Atlanta, becoming the Atlanta Braves.


1968: With Oakland not being a relocation option for the A's, thanks to the presence of another AL team there, Kansas City Athletics owner Charles Finley reaches an agreement with the city of Milwaukee to relocate there for the 1968 season. AL owners, sick of Finley's constant attempts at relocation and aware of Milwaukee's success as a major league market less than a decade prior, approve the relocation. The Milwaukee Athletics are formed.


1969: Under pressure from Missouri Senator Stuart Symington, who would famously call Milwaukee "the luckiest city since Hiroshima" on the Senate floor, the American League hastily decides to expand in preparation for the 1969 season, with Kansas City guaranteed a replacement franchise. The National League, already planning on expanding in the early 1970s, decide to move up their expansion plans to align with the AL. The AL awards franchises to the Kansas City Royals and the Seattle Pilots, while the NL gives franchises to the Montreal Expos and the Oakland Oaks.


1970: With the Seattle Pilots going bankrupt, and no stadium construction in sight, a San Diego-based ownership group buys out the Pilots, and relocates them to San Diego, renaming them the San Diego Padres.


1972: The Washington Senators relocate to Dallas, and become the Texas Rangers.


1977: Under pressure from a lawsuit from the city of Seattle regarding the relocation of the Pilots to San Diego, the American League decides to expand, creating the Seattle Mariners and Toronto Blue Jays.


1993: The National League expands, creating the Florida Marlins and the Colorado Rockies.


1998: The National League expands again, creating the Arizona Diamondbacks and the Tampa Bay Devil Rays.


2005: After years of flagging attendance, the Montreal Expos relocate to Washington, renaming themselves the Washington Nationals.


2013: In order to even out the two leagues, the Tampa Bay Rays move to the American League. The NL East is reduced from six to five teams. The Detroit Tigers move to the AL Central to accommodate the arrival of the Rays to the AL East. The Texas Rangers move from the AL Central to the AL West, increasing the size of that division from four to five teams.


In 2016, baseball looks as follows (differences from our timeline in italics):


AL East:

Baltimore Orioles

Boston Red Sox

New York Yankees

Tampa Bay Rays

Toronto Blue Jays


AL Central: 

Chicago White Sox

Cleveland Indians

Detroit Tigers

Kansas City Royals

Milwaukee Athletics


AL West:

Los Angeles Angels (in Chavez Ravine, Los Angeles)

San Diego Padres

San Francisco Seals

Seattle Mariners

Texas Rangers


NL East: 

Atlanta Braves

Miami Marlins

New York Dodgers (in Queens, NY)

Philadelphia Phillies

Washington Nationals


NL Central:

Chicago Cubs

Cincinnati Reds

Minnesota Giants

Pittsburgh Pirates

St. Louis Cardinals


NL West:

Arizona Diamondbacks

Colorado Rockies

Houston Astros

Los Angeles Stars (in Anaheim)

Oakland Oaks


The toughest thing within this timeline was the A's relocation to Oakland and subsequent 1969 expansion. Finley was in talks with a slew of cities - Louisville, San Diego, Oakland, Seattle, Denver, Milwaukee, etc. The Sporting News actually reported in 1967 that he had agreed to a relocation to Milwaukee, and that he had a TV contract in place, but fell one vote short of getting the relocation approved by AL owners. This timeline assumes that sometime in 1967, he persuaded one other owner to vote in favor of the relocation. 


The other alternatives would've been to have Finley agree to move to either Seattle or San Diego (I know he had in-depth discussions with Seattle; not sure how far he even got with San Diego, though he may have been more interested in that California market had Oakland been unavailable). Seemed to be less of a jump to have the tentative Milwaukee deal get approved than to have him strike an agreement with either Seattle or San Diego. 


I would guess that under this timeline, the AL's Los Angeles Angels (who would've struck a stadium agreement in Chavez Ravine upon relocation from Washington) and San Francisco Seals would've become the "dominant" franchise in their respective metro areas, being that they were the first franchises to arrive, and would be in the largest city in the area. This would've dramatically changed the balance of power between the NL and the AL in the 1960s and 1970s, being that the AL would've had the two dominant franchises in the LA and Bay Area markets. Would they have been motivated to implement the DH in 1973 in that case? Would the NL have been looking to play catch-up with the AL and implemented it instead? Would the continued presence of the Dodgers (whose 1960's core would've looked largely the same) have resulted in them being the dominant franchise in New York from 1964 up until, say, the 90's? Would Bud Selig have ever gotten involved in baseball in Charles Finley moved a team to Milwaukee? (I tend to think that he would've - he might've bought out the Athletics once Finley decided to sell) Lots of interesting hypotheticals.

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2005: After years of flagging attendance, the Montreal Expos relocate to Washington, renaming themselves the Washington Nationals.

I was about to suggest perhaps not had the '81 Expos not lost to the NY Dodgers, yet I see the Dodgers' 36 wins was still more than the 1st half leading Phillies, so they might've lost even earlier.


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Here's a new little side project I've been working on.. (Read: Made up 2 hours ago) The 50 team NFL, which basically I predict the future of the NFL in a universe where they grow to 50 teams by the end of the century, and maybe add in some wild predictions about the future of the world while i'm at it. I might do one for the MLB/NBA/NHL some time. Apologies for length.

(Disclaimer, this entirely for fun and is in no way supposed to be serious)


ex= Expansion team





Philadelphia Eagles

Washington Warriors (Formerly Washington Redskins)

New York Giants

Dallas Cowboys

Brooklyn Tigers (ex-2066, In 2042 Brooklyn broke away from NYC and grew into a big city itself)



Atlanta Falcons

Charlotte Panthers (Formerly Carolina Panthers)

Tampa Bay Buccaneers

New Orleans Saints (STILL playing in the Superdome!)

Birmingham Spartans (ex-2028)



Minnesota Vikings

Chicago Bears

Green Bay Packers (STILL in Lambeau, which is now the oldest building in the world still in regular use)

Detroit Lions

Iowa Reapers (ex-2024)



Los Angeles Rams

Seattle Seahawks

Arizona Cardinals

San Francisco 49ers

San Antonio Gunslingers (Ex- 2028)



London Monarchs (ex-2036)

Barcelona Matadors (ex-2036)

Berlin Galaxy (ex-2040)

Dublin Celtics (ex-2040)

Belfast Brawlers (ex-2066)





New England Patriots

Buffalo Bills

New Jersey Jets (Formerly New York Jets, Giants get a stadium actually in New York while The Jets stay in NJ)

Miami Dolphins

Toronto Mounties (ex-2024)



Pittsburgh Steelers

Cincinnatti Bengals

Cleveland Browns

Baltimore Ravens

Canton Bulldogs (ex-2066)



Houston Oilers (Formerly Texans, got the name back!)

Tennesse Titans

Indianapolis Colts

Raleigh-Durham Rebels (ex-2028)

Orlando Orbits (ex-2066)



Denver Broncos

Las Vegas Raiders (Formerly Oakland Raiders)

San Diego Chargers (Moved to L.A in 2018 but moved back to S.D just 7 years later)

Kansas City Chiefs

Oakland Condors (ex-2024)



London Jaguars (Formerly Jacksonville Jaguars) (sorry)

Glasgow Claymores (ex- 2024 as St. Louis Stallions, moved to Glasgow in 2055)

Paris Eiffel Towers (ex-2036)

Frankfurt Franks (ex-2040)

Moscow Huskies (ex-2075, after years of delay as a war between Russia and Ukraine delayed the stadium)



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Debating if I want to post my College Football realignment idea, thus solving all of the CFP issues.  But I'm also about 14 teams away from having a 64 team College Football Redesign done, that has easily taken me 16+ months, and would like to submit them as a group.  Decisions. 

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