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NBA 2017-18: A Tale of Two Conferences

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CLE traders IT and Frye plus a pick to LAL for Nance and Clarkson.

 

Now the money, per Bobby Marks:

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The Lakers now take on the expiring $6.3M contract of Isaiah Thomas and $7.4M expiring contract of Channing Frye. The Lakers now project to have $46.9M in room this summer. The cap space will increase to $69M if they do not bring back Julius Randle and stretch the $37M owed to Luol Deng over 5 years.

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On 2/3/2018 at 6:13 AM, who do you think said:

$52 million in salary coming off the Lakers' books this summer, plus any additional room they can create by unloading Clarkson's contract (~$11 million) in the trade market.

 

Hey guess what.

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Weren't all indications out of Boston that Isaiah Thomas was a great guy?  Then he gets to Cleveland and becomes a cancer?  I'm probably missing something from his Boston days.

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26 minutes ago, OnWis97 said:

Weren't all indications out of Boston that Isaiah Thomas was a great guy?  Then he gets to Cleveland and becomes a cancer?  I'm probably missing something from his Boston days.

His two stops before the Celtics, SAC and PHX, were where he wasn't liked in the locker room and had coaching conflicts, but look at both of those franchises since 2010.

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I do feel somewhat bad for IT. 

He legitimately is a good player, it's just that 5′ 9″ guys can't play defense. 

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Cleveland has a brand new team with functional PGs, energy bench guys and no more Jae Crowder, who had given them nothing. I'm speechless.

 

Bummer that Wade's gone. He's been great for the Cavs.

 

I don't know about IT in LA. Maybe he gets some space to clear his head. Lonzo seems to be out indefinitely so he'll at least get consistent playing time. Does he move to the 2 when Ball gets back?

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IT is a two-guard who happens to be 5'9", he and Ball can play together. LA's just waiting out the clock until free agency anyway, they didn't make this trade for basketball reasons. (hurr durr)

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I expected Hood and Johnson to be gone, so I’m not surprised. What I am surprised about though is that Rose and Crowder were the haul.  Not in a bad or good way, just sort of “huh” about it.

 

I’m optimistic that Quin Snyder can maximize their talent* like he’s so good at doing. Maybe that’s what Dennis Lindsey thought too, I don’t know. We’ll see how this turns out. I should note that in the case of Crowder, I was REALLY hoping the Jazz could’ve landed him last off-season so there’s that.

 

*In the case of Rose, at least as much as Snyder can maximize with whatever’s left in the tank and when he’s ever on the court.

 

EDIT: Looks like Rose isn’t staying, so..

 

 

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3 minutes ago, who do you think said:

You're either trolling or biased beyond belief.

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Relax, sheesh. 

 

Even if they got better, it's still somewhat funny they sold off nearly half their team at the deadline. 

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The Cavs moves are frustrating to me on several levels. First off, why would a teams like Utah, Sacramento, and the Lakers even make those deals in the first place? I get the whole "tanking" thing or even the waiting till next year thing, but none of what they got in return is actually going to be that beneficial to them. So there's that side of it. Teams seem to be just giving the Cavs pieces for just about nothing in return. But another element to this, that is probably even more frustrating to me, is that none of these guys really even give Cleveland that much better of a shot, either. Sure, it clears up a good chunk of the dysfunction and allows them to simultaneously get more well-rounded as a team. But there's no way this is enough to compete with any of the big contenders from the west, especially the Warriors. I don't even think it puts them up above Boston or Toronto, even. 

 

And, correct me if I'm wrong, this also means they can't trade that Nets pick now, right? 

 

Just... Why? I guess it's a case of them having to do something, but was all that really that much of an upgrade? I still think Lebron is gone no matter what. 

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12 minutes ago, ozzyman314 said:

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Relax, sheesh. 

 

Even if they got better, it's still somewhat funny they sold off nearly half their team at the deadline. 

It tells me they're planning for LeBron to be gone and want to at least be semi-competitive once that happens. Or maybe Gilbert sells and someone else takes over the team. I don't think the latter is happening though. 

 

1 minute ago, Bucfan56 said:

The Cavs moves are frustrating to me on several levels. First off, why would a teams like Utah, Sacramento, and the Lakers even make those deals in the first place? I get the whole "tanking" thing or even the waiting till next year thing, but none of what they got in return is actually going to be that beneficial to them. So there's that side of it. Teams seem to be just giving the Cavs pieces for just about nothing in return. But another element to this, that is probably even more frustrating to me, is that none of these guys really even give Cleveland that much better of a shot, either. Sure, it clears up a good chunk of the dysfunction and allows them to simultaneously get more well-rounded as a team. But there's no way this is enough to compete with any of the big contenders from the west, especially the Warriors. I don't even think it puts them up above Boston or Toronto, even. 

 

And, correct me if I'm wrong, this also means they can't trade that Nets puck now, right? 

 

Just... Why?

That Nets pick is the one they've been trying to hold on to which is why these types of deals were made today. They are 3rd in the East, should most likely make it to the Eastern Finals and that means they'd be even further away from top talent coming in through the draft. Dwayne Wade is done and he's doing Cleveland a solid and going to a team that still could use a veteran presence on the team. What these trades say more than anything else is that Boston got Kyrie Irving almost for free. With Love hopefully coming back in 6 weeks or less Cleveland will still have a big man that can hit threes as well as be the muscle inside against most larger bodies. 

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6 minutes ago, MJWalker45 said:

It tells me they're planning for LeBron to be gone and want to at least be semi-competitive once that happens. Or maybe Gilbert sells and someone else takes over the team. I don't think the latter is happening though. 

my thoughts exactly. 

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I think this all makes a lot of sense for Cleveland -- besides getting rid of the obvious dead wood, they ought to have a functional backcourt for the first time this season. If/when LBJ bolts, they at least have some decent young talent to build around.  it isn't a clear rebalancing of the Eastern Conference power hierarchy but it's better than where they were before.

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Cleveland had to do something.  That team was drowning.  Of course, the best-case scenario is probably a loss in the finals.

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17 minutes ago, Bucfan56 said:

The Cavs moves are frustrating to me on several levels. First off, why would a teams like Utah, Sacramento, and the Lakers even make those deals in the first place? I get the whole "tanking" thing or even the waiting till next year thing, but none of what they got in return is actually going to be that beneficial to them. So there's that side of it. Teams seem to be just giving the Cavs pieces for just about nothing in return. But another element to this, that is probably even more frustrating to me, is that none of these guys really even give Cleveland that much better of a shot, either. Sure, it clears up a good chunk of the dysfunction and allows them to simultaneously get more well-rounded as a team. But there's no way this is enough to compete with any of the big contenders from the west, especially the Warriors. I don't even think it puts them up above Boston or Toronto, even. 

 

And, correct me if I'm wrong, this also means they can't trade that Nets pick now, right? 

 

Just... Why? I guess it's a case of them having to do something, but was all that really that much of an upgrade? I still think Lebron is gone no matter what. 

 

> The Lakers did this to purely to clear Clarkson's contract and create additional cap space for this summer. They have room to sign two max players free-and-clear. The on-court product for the remainder of this season is irrelevant.

 

> Sacramento had Hill on the hook for 3 years and $20-something million a season, and saw a chance to get out from under it. Granted they were the ones who signed him in the first place, probably under some delusion that him, Randolph, Vince Carter's corpse, and the remnants of the Cousins trade could help them contend for a playoff spot or something, but that clearly wasn't happening so time to move on.

 

> As for Utah, Hood was gone this summer and apparently they tried to get Jae Crowder last summer and he's under contract for a few more seasons, so I guess they see something in him.

 

> The Cavs turned IT (cancer, selfish offensive player, defensive liability), Shumpert (dead weight), Crowder (cancer, dead weight), Rose (whatever), and Frye (dead weight) into:

 

George Hill (good defender, great 3-point shooter, doesn't need the ball to be effective)

Rodney Hood (solid scorer and great 3-point shooter, basically a hard upgrade on J.R. Smith at this point)

Larry Nance Jr. (athletic big who isn't really polished but should at least bring some energy on defense, again doesn't need the ball to be effective)

Jordan Clarkson (whatever, similar skillset to IT but at least he's used to playing a complementary role and won't try to make everything about him)

 

The team Cleveland had yesterday had enough talent and enough pedigree to get their act together in time for the playoffs, but this trade makes them a lot better. Hill and Hood are two bombers from deep that they did not have before. A lineup with them, LeBron, Love and Thompson/Nance can hang with whatever Golden State throws at them. Swap out the center for Korver or Smith and there's your five shooters lineup.

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