daveindc Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 21 minutes ago, Trapper John said: Mexico City is at an elevation of 7,382 feet I'd love to see how that went with all the complaints about Denver at 5,280. Wow. But for the sake of discussing uniform and branding, the colors that I would love for them are ironically similar to what I would love for Portland: I would go for a darker, or more olive green for Portland though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferdinand Cesarano Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 On 20/10/2017 at 7:37 PM, Jimmy! said: Thank you. If Portland had trouble supporting A and AAA baseball, why give them a MLB franchise? From events in soccer we now know that that is faulty reasoning. The attendance numbers of the USL's Seattle, Montreal, and Atlanta teams gave no hint of the huge crowds that MLS teams in those cities would draw. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy! Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 Using the USL to support an argument as to why Portland could support baseball team makes no sense. The city has had five minor league franchises in the last 40 years. "I secretly hope people like that hydroplane into a wall." - Dennis "Big Sexy" Ittner POTD - 7/3/14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferdinand Cesarano Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 3 hours ago, Jimmy! said: Using the USL to support an argument as to why Portland could support baseball team makes no sense. The city has had five minor league franchises in the last 40 years. The soccer examples are directly comparable. The point is that the level of support for a lower league team in a city does not predict what the support will be for a top league team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy! Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 If I’m major league baseball, I would stay away from cities who have had trouble supporting class A Minor league baseball teams. "I secretly hope people like that hydroplane into a wall." - Dennis "Big Sexy" Ittner POTD - 7/3/14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Wolf Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 4 hours ago, Jimmy! said: If I’m major league baseball, I would stay away from cities who have had trouble supporting class A Minor league baseball teams. Supporting a team that's subservient to another is a whole different ballgame than supporting an MLB club. I'm not saying Portland should necessarily get a team or anything, but I just don't think this is necessarily the be-all, end-all argument against a Portland team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiddySicks Posted October 22, 2017 Share Posted October 22, 2017 Sacramento Republic BC, FTW. On 11/19/2012 at 7:23 PM, oldschoolvikings said: She’s still half convinced “Chris Creamer” is a porn site.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy! Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 2 hours ago, Red Wolf said: Supporting a team that's subservient to another is a whole different ballgame than supporting an MLB club. I'm not saying Portland should necessarily get a team or anything, but I just don't think this necessarily the be-all, end-all argument against a Portland team. True, but it doesn’t help their cause. "I secretly hope people like that hydroplane into a wall." - Dennis "Big Sexy" Ittner POTD - 7/3/14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 I'm not seeing Portland or Montreal working. It would have to be one of Charlotte/Raleigh/Nashville and then, I dunno, something else, but I'm not high on Portland and Montreal is dead you killed it. ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferdinand Cesarano Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 7 hours ago, Red Wolf said: 8 hours ago, Jimmy! said: If I’m major league baseball, I would stay away from cities who have had trouble supporting class A Minor league baseball teams. Supporting a team that's subservient to another is a whole different ballgame than supporting an MLB club. I'm not saying Portland should necessarily get a team or anything, but I just don't think this is necessarily the be-all, end-all argument against a Portland team. Per-game attendance averages: 1990 Miami Miracle (A) - 686 1991 Miami Miracle (A) - 870 1993 Florida Marlins - 37,838 1994 Florida Marlins - 32,838 1991 Denver Zephyrs (AAA) - 7640 1992 Denver Zephyrs (AAA) - 4826 1993 Colorado Rockies - 55,350 1994 Colorado Rockies - 57,570 1996 Phoenix Firebirds (AAA) - 3718 1997 Phoenix Firebirds (AAA) - 2932 1998 Arizona Diamondbacks - 44,571 1999 Arizona Diamondbacks - 37,280 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy! Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 And those three cities had stable minor league franchises for over 50 years. Portland has had five different franchises in a forty year span. Not convinced. "I secretly hope people like that hydroplane into a wall." - Dennis "Big Sexy" Ittner POTD - 7/3/14 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DeFrank Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Portland Cascades concepts: washington football (2017) ... nfl (2013) ... yikes potd 10/20/12 origin story Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Oso Posted October 23, 2017 Author Share Posted October 23, 2017 On 10/21/2017 at 8:33 PM, Trapper John said: Mexico City is at an elevation of 7,382 feet I'd love to see how that went with all the complaints about Denver at 5,280. A Mexico City ballpark would make Coors Field look like a pitcher friendly ballpark by comparison. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Lankford Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 Mexico City is also far away. The Mariners have trouble with their traveling and Mexico City to Houston is twice as far as Seattle to Oakland. Every road trip that teams takes would be a killer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kroywen Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 The closest major league team to Mexico City are the Houston Astros, almost exactly 750 miles away. If Mexico City were placed in the same division as the Mariners (which is possible if they were in the AL), they'd be a full 2,300 miles away from a divisional rival - the equivalent of having the Mariners and Orioles in the same division. Apart from the economics of a team in Mexico, the inability of a Mexican team to attract free agents, and the absurdity of baseball at 7,400 feet altitude, the insane travel schedule would make a Mexico City team nearly impossible. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BeerGuyJordan Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 I seriously think Monterrey is a better candidate than Mexico City. It's a lot closer, they're a wealthier city, lower elecation, and they're a more "Americanized" location. Still not ideal, though. Montreal is suitable, but I only see them getting in, via expansion, if the MLB gets another strong suitor city, to balance the scales. Thunder Bay Lynx - International Hockey Association (2 seasons, 2017-18, 2019-20, 2018 Xtreme Cup Champions) | Houston Armadillos - Major League Hockey (2 seasons, 2016-18) | Minnesota Muskies - North American Basketball Association (1 season, 2017-2018) | Louisville Thoroughbreds - United League of Baseball (1 season, 2017, 2017 United Cup Champions) | Las Vegas Thunderbirds - International Basketball League (1 season, 2016-17, 2017 Champions) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFGiants58 Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 20 minutes ago, kroywen said: The closest major league team to Mexico City are the Houston Astros, almost exactly 750 miles away. If Mexico City were placed in the same division as the Mariners (which is possible if they were in the AL), they'd be a full 2,300 miles away from a divisional rival - the equivalent of having the Mariners and Orioles in the same division. Apart from the economics of a team in Mexico, the inability of a Mexican team to attract free agents, and the absurdity of baseball at 7,400 feet altitude, the insane travel schedule would make a Mexico City team nearly impossible. I agree. Mexico City would be a disastrous expansion decision. I'm not convinced the baseball really needs to expand. All of the ideal markets have teams (and some aren't exactly ideal), and any potential markets come with difficulties. Portland doesn't have a temporary venue and has a spotty history with post-1958 minor league baseball, Indianapolis is right in the middle of several teams' territory, Charlotte got a brand new AAA ballpark that's not expandable, and Montreal has the demographic and economic issues already mentioned. I don't think it's as dead as @the admiral said it is, but reviving baseball full-time in Montreal would be an uphill battle. Maybe the expansion bubble in the MLS has soured me on the idea, but expansion is not the best of plans right now. Let the A's and Rays resolve their stadium issues, then talk about it and scout the expansion groups to make sure we're not getting another Vince Naimoli in the majors. MLB: Project 32 (Complete), MLB: The Defunct Saga (Complete) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 3 hours ago, Ray Lankford said: The Mariners have trouble with their traveling They do? Their feet get sore or something? ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBGKon Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 33 minutes ago, SFGiants58 said: Maybe the expansion bubble in the MLS has soured me on the idea, but expansion is not the best of plans right now. Let the A's and Rays resolve their stadium issues, then talk about it and scout the expansion groups to make sure we're not getting another Vince Naimoli in the majors. I wouldnt wish another Vince Naimoli on anyone else... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray Lankford Posted October 23, 2017 Share Posted October 23, 2017 1 hour ago, BeerGuyJordan said: I seriously think Monterrey is a better candidate than Mexico City. It's a lot closer, they're a wealthier city, lower elecation, and they're a more "Americanized" location. Still not ideal, though. Montreal is suitable, but I only see them getting in, via expansion, if the MLB gets another strong suitor city, to balance the scales. The thing about Monterey is that while it's probably big enough to support a team, it'd still be a small market team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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