GDAWG Posted October 22, 2019 Share Posted October 22, 2019 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfwabel Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Hmmm.... Quote Defensive end Corey Vereen withdrew from the XFL as a member of the Los Angeles Wildcats after being selected in the eighth round, citing the salary as being way lower than initially anticipated, his agency said in a statement Thursday. Vereen, a former NCAA standout for the Tennessee Volunteers and a player in the Alliance of America Football league this past spring, plans to continue to "pursue his football endeavors," while "working in his career field" of computer science. The 24-year-old received a camp invite with the Arizona Cardinals but was cut before the season began. The agency that represents Vereen, Logan Brown Sports, released a statement Thursday claiming that the XFL backpedaled on its initial salary commitment, noting that the base salary was $27,040 with per-game bonuses of $1,685 and weekly win bonuses of $2,222. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 Quote the XFL backpedaled on its initial salary commitment, Well, that’s not a good sign. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfwabel Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 6 minutes ago, Gothamite said: Well, that’s not a good sign. Or it is just Vince being Vince. Also, from the agent, when asked on Twitter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Comet Posted October 24, 2019 Share Posted October 24, 2019 You're going to pay a guy less than $30k/yr and expect him to live in LA? That ought to be against the Geneva Convention. Gotta wonder just how full the full medical coverage is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 How does anyone know what the players are worth before knowing how much revenue they generate? $30k just seems absurdly low, but what is the right number? Not sure if they’re Union, but maybe negotiate that they get some base and then bonuses equal to a certain % of league revenue. In the unlikely event that the league kills it, they’d obviously be entitled to way more than that salary. In the more likely event that the league loses tons of money, then they’re at least worth some percentage of gross revenue. "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DG_ThenNowForever Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 If you can't afford to pay your workers a living wage, you shouldn't have a business. True for Uber, true for XFL. 1 hour ago, ShutUpLutz! said: and the drunken doodoobags jumping off the tops of SUV's/vans/RV's onto tables because, oh yeah, they are drunken drug abusing doodoobags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 Right. 30k is ridiculous. The minimum needs to be much higher - I’m not sure of any area where 30k is enough to live on. Just not sure what the true right number is. If you say the minimum is 60k, which is still pretty stingy, but it turns out they generate higher-than-expected revenue, then there should be something in place that ensures they get a cut of that which would be closer to what they’re worth. "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfwabel Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 18 minutes ago, BringBackTheVet said: How does anyone know what the players are worth before knowing how much revenue they generate? $30k just seems absurdly low, but what is the right number? Not sure if they’re Union, but maybe negotiate that they get some base and then bonuses equal to a certain % of league revenue. In the unlikely event that the league kills it, they’d obviously be entitled to way more than that salary. In the more likely event that the league loses tons of money, then they’re at least worth some percentage of gross revenue. They were just drafted last week. No chance of a union that soon and Vince could fold the thing if they did. From the agent's statement, they are already doing the "downside guarantee" which Vince has for his WWE performers. 1 hour ago, Red Comet said: You're going to pay a guy less than $30k/yr and expect him to live in LA? That ought to be against the Geneva Convention. Gotta wonder just how full the full medical coverage is. Medical, Dental and Vision insurance plus 401K were touted from the start. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 34 minutes ago, BringBackTheVet said: Right. 30k is ridiculous. The minimum needs to be much higher - I’m not sure of any area where 30k is enough to live on. Just not sure what the true right number is. If you say the minimum is 60k, which is still pretty stingy, but it turns out they generate higher-than-expected revenue, then there should be something in place that ensures they get a cut of that which would be closer to what they’re worth. That’s why they would unionize, if Vince’s league lasts that long. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wings Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 I'm already wanting this league to go away. Probably will after one season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceCap Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 @GDAWG is right. The CFL's gonna win the Spring Football League battle royale. It already tossed out the AAF after bludgeoning it with a hockey stick. PotD 26/2/12 1/7/15 2020 BASS Spin the Wheel, Make the Deal Regular Season Champion 2021 BASS NFL Pick'em Regular Season Champion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDAWG Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 19 minutes ago, Ice_Cap said: @GDAWG is right. The CFL's gonna win the Spring Football League battle royale. It already tossed out the AAF after bludgeoning it with a hockey stick. Of course, there will have to be a pre-show match to determine who represents the CFL in said battle royale. So it would have to be 9 CFL mascots during the match. Now if one team has two mascots, a game of rock, paper, scissors will have to determine who represents said team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Heidt Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 6 hours ago, GDAWG said: Of course, there will have to be a pre-show match to determine who represents the CFL in said battle royale. So it would have to be 9 CFL mascots during the match. Now if one team has two mascots, a game of rock, paper, scissors will have to determine who represents said team. Edmonton Eskimos have 2 mascots. I would be more in favour of sending in Nanook rather than Punter. I'm taking the polar bear over the grimacing, walking football. https://www.esks.com/mascot_bios/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 I really want one of these leagues to succeed, because there's more opportunities for players, more games to watch (if they're any good), another path to the NFL for guys, and honestly there's no downside for a fan. I think it's ridiculous for people to actively root for leagues to fail... strictly from a fan perspective. That being said, it's possible to root against certain people to succeed, especially if they're harming other people in their efforts. I don't know what constitutes a 'living wage' (I'm sure tehre's stats), and how you account for the fact that by nature, football is a sport where you don't need to live where you work (at least for most of the year), but figure it out, and make the minimum at least that number, along with some compensation for all the travel. It does sound like they have a decent benefits package, especially for a league in which they're players are basically part time. Then once all the accounting is done, figure out a fair cut of the revenue, subtract what's already been allocated to salaries, and figure out how to distribute the rest. Once the league is a year or two old, it'll become more clear which players are worth more than others, and a more normal salary structure would start to emerge, with the exception that leagues like this should always have reserves on hand to sign "name" players, since they need that. For example, someone like a Manziel, for as much as I hate him as a person, would attract a lot of attention that might translate into revenue and there should be extra money available to bring him in (within reason). "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfwabel Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 EDIT: I listened to the full interview and Vereen said he sent the contract details to Pepper Johnson, a Wildcats coach, who was apparently surprised that the structure changed. Link to the full interview. Starts at 28:00 mark and last approx. 11 minutes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDAWG Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 5 hours ago, BringBackTheVet said: I really want one of these leagues to succeed, because there's more opportunities for players, more games to watch (if they're any good), another path to the NFL for guys, and honestly there's no downside for a fan. I think it's ridiculous for people to actively root for leagues to fail... strictly from a fan perspective. That being said, it's possible to root against certain people to succeed, especially if they're harming other people in their efforts. I don't know what constitutes a 'living wage' (I'm sure tehre's stats), and how you account for the fact that by nature, football is a sport where you don't need to live where you work (at least for most of the year), but figure it out, and make the minimum at least that number, along with some compensation for all the travel. It does sound like they have a decent benefits package, especially for a league in which they're players are basically part time. Then once all the accounting is done, figure out a fair cut of the revenue, subtract what's already been allocated to salaries, and figure out how to distribute the rest. Once the league is a year or two old, it'll become more clear which players are worth more than others, and a more normal salary structure would start to emerge, with the exception that leagues like this should always have reserves on hand to sign "name" players, since they need that. For example, someone like a Manziel, for as much as I hate him as a person, would attract a lot of attention that might translate into revenue and there should be extra money available to bring him in (within reason). This news doesn't look good for the XFL. Also my negativity over the XFL has a lot to do with Vince McMahon. If he allows Oliver Luck to do what he was hired to do, it could do well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mkg74 Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 So one guy pulls out and it’s the end of the league or it’s horrible news. It’s just one guy. But if we see a mass exodus of these type of better quality players fleeing then Vince may as well shut the whole thing down. I’ll be honest. I’m in disbelief of 27,000K to play a game that brutal on your body. Shame on you Vince!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dfwabel Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 8 minutes ago, mkg74 said: So one guy pulls out and it’s the end of the league or it’s horrible news. It’s just one guy. But if we see a mass exodus of these type of better quality players fleeing then Vince may as well shut the whole thing down. I’ll be honest. I’m in disbelief of 27,000K to play a game that brutal on your body. Shame on you Vince!! Sadly, every Arena/IFL/NAL/(insert more spare indoor league here) guy will form a line to the left along with the 300+ dudes not drafted last week. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MJWalker45 Posted October 25, 2019 Share Posted October 25, 2019 1 minute ago, dfwabel said: Sadly, every Arena/IFL/NAL/(insert more spare indoor league here) guy will form a line to the left along with the 300+ dudes not drafted last week. Especially when they'll be getting more here than they will in other leagues. The XFL's still doing win bonuses apparently, but $30,000 is barely staying above water in Houston when you add rent, gas and other expenses. I'm sure folks planned to share space with teammates, but that shouldn't be something they'll be forced to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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