The_Admiral Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 On 1/27/2018 at 3:02 AM, Gothamite said: Do you think replacing black with blue is supposed to be telling us something? If you're going for Black Lives Matter ---> Blue Lives Matter or just the league's aspirations for some general level of black erasure, I think that's a reach, and much too semiotically rich for the likes of Vince McMahon. The XFL was black and red because all WWF stuff then was black and red. I think it's red/white/blue now as basic mindless patriotism, which is bad enough. 4 Quote ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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O.C.D Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 NFL is hard to watch for various reasons. Having a 2nd option is good. I hope the league does well and grows. Can't wait to see the team designs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 18 minutes ago, O.C.D said: NFL is hard to watch for various reasons. Having a 2nd option is good. I think we’re about to learn (again) that Americans aren’t crazy about pro football so much as they are crazy about the NFL. 3 Quote The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tubby34 Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 20 hours ago, daniel75 said: Should have came up with a new league name, Xtreme is so late 90’s early 2000ish. I got a feeling XFL will work for now, and if it survives 5 years... it'll be renamed probably with a merger of one of the other spring leagues if they survive. Right now, the name XFL is going to get viewers. AFL and AAFL and FFL and UFL and all that didn't bring eyes. The XFL is going to get that wrestling fan and football fan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 I'm sure this seemed like a great idea a year or so ago when the NBA hyperpartisans/embedded p.r. agents of the media class were writing all this stuff about how the NFL was dying and the NBA was primed to pass it, but it seems like enough people forgave the NFL since then and don't need another football league to give them what the NFL wasn't. 2 Quote ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadSeed84 Posted December 7, 2018 Share Posted December 7, 2018 The other thing is the protest during the anthem is dying off and not getting much attention (I think 3 players are still continuing it) so by 2020 it won't even matter if they are going the patriotic route. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillz Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 2 hours ago, O.C.D said: Having a 2nd option is good. It is, but the XFL won't be that option. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillz Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 1 hour ago, EddieJ1984 said: The other thing is the protest during the anthem is dying off and not getting much attention (I think 3 players are still continuing it) so by 2020 it won't even matter if they are going the patriotic route. This is what I was saying back when the revived XFL was being first discussed. I stated that the public has a very short memory, and the whole "'Murica" angle gained from the protests very likely wouldn't be a thing in 2020, because two years is a long time in the public consciousness and so many other things are happening. The XFL trying to tie its entire new existence into that hyper-patriotic demographic seemed like a bad idea from the start. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillz Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 1 hour ago, the admiral said: I'm sure this seemed like a great idea a year or so ago when the NBA hyperpartisans/embedded p.r. agents of the media class were writing all this stuff about how the NFL was dying and the NBA was primed to pass it, but it seems like enough people forgave the NFL since then and don't need another football league to give them what the NFL wasn't. Exactly. People have been claiming the NFL is dying off for any number of years now, and it's yet to happen. Not saying it never will, but until we have a product that is as good or better than the NFL, it's not going anywhere. And as a personal anecdote, I know many people who were "never watching football again" due to the anthem protests who then came to my house to watch the Super Bowl. It's almost like people are hypocritical or something. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest23 Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, Quillz said: This is what I was saying back when the revived XFL was being first discussed. I stated that the public has a very short memory, and the whole "'Murica" angle gained from the protests very likely wouldn't be a thing in 2020, because two years is a long time in the public consciousness and so many other things are happening. The XFL trying to tie its entire new existence into that hyper-patriotic demographic seemed like a bad idea from the start. I'm starting to think the whole controversy was a farce from the get-go and those that promoted this fake controversy took advantage if a very vulnerable group that lacks the emotional maturity to see nuance in an increasingly complex world. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillz Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 1 minute ago, guest23 said: I'm starting to think the whole controversy was a farce from the get-go and those that promoted this fake controversy took advantage if a very vulnerable group that lacks the emotional maturity to see nuance in an increasingly complex world. I'm still of the opinion that most people promoting it were probably doing it as a distraction from larger problems in society, politics, etc. This is why I'm very skeptical of any sort of "protest," "boycott," etc. Who is promoting them and why? More often than not, I find such protests and boycotts are promoted by a person or people who want to sell me something (whether it be an actual product or some kind of ideology). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiddySicks Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 6 minutes ago, guest23 said: I'm starting to think the whole controversy was a farce from the get-go and those that promoted this fake controversy took advantage if a very vulnerable group that lacks the emotional maturity to see nuance in an increasingly complex world. Youre just now starting to think that? I mean, welcome to the club, but... 2 Quote On 11/19/2012 at 7:23 PM, oldschoolvikings said: She’s still half convinced “Chris Creamer” is a porn site.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 I said I would never watch the NFL again and then the Bears stopped being horrible. And I don't even like the Bears. Imagine how this brought back people who do. 1 Quote ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaz Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 8 minutes ago, guest23 said: fake controversy took advantage of a very vulnerable group that lacks the emotional maturity to see nuance in an increasingly complex world. That sounds awful. I'm really glad these kind of things don't happen on a daily basis 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest23 Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 2 minutes ago, Kaz said: That sounds awful. I'm really glad these kind of things don't happen on a daily basis What does the frequency have to do with my observation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 Just now, guest23 said: What does the frequency have to do with my observation? 3 Quote "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 3 hours ago, tubby34 said: Right now, the name XFL is going to get viewers. AFL and AAFL and FFL and UFL and all that didn't bring eyes. The XFL is going to get that wrestling fan and football fan. That’s what we heard last time. 2 Quote The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BadSeed84 Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 3 minutes ago, Gothamite said: That’s what we heard last time. Yea and last time a hell of alot more people were watching WWF. Now? This week's raw got the lowest rating EVER since the show began in 1993. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted December 8, 2018 Share Posted December 8, 2018 He seems to be doing a lot to separate this new XFL from wrestling, so I don't think they're counting on wrestling fans watching it simply because of the association. Technically it's owned by a separate entity, so it's not even like there's "natural" crossover opportunities like last time when they had the wrestling announcers pretend to know what a post pattern was. 1 Quote "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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