SportsLogos.Net News Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Baseball Hall of Fame Retires Chief Wahoo From Plaques March 22, 2018 - 15:56 PMThe National Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum announced yesterday that the Cleveland Indians’ Chief Wahoo logo will no longer be used as the logo featured on any future plaques, including the one used for Hall of Fame-elect Jim Thome, […] Read More... Sports Logo and Uniform news, rumours, and history at SportsLogos.Net News Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goalieboy82 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 i am fine with the Block C hat for future Cleveland Indians inductees (if they play today). now are they going to have Chief Wahoo for players who played back in the day who get in (or go with a blank hat) so long and thanks for all the fish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnWis97 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 I hate wahoo as much as anyone and I think to just say "PC!" is off the mark. That said, the HOF is a museum and should capture the good and the bad. If someone wore that hat for the key part of their career (i.e., if the Indians are the team they should represent and that's the hat they wore), then I'd rather see the hat used. This is a pretty rare departure for me. Jim Thome, I assume, is going in as an Indian. He did wear the "C" every so briefly in his late-career return to Cleveland, but Wahoo is obviously the main hat in his career. That said, if Thome himself asks to use the "C" then I think it's OK to honor that. Bert Blyleven's best/most days with the Twins was in the TC but he has the "M" and I think it's because he wanted the hat from the World Series. So I can live with Thome in the "C" if that's what he wants. I'm all for eliminating Wahoo but history can't really be changed. Some day, a kid visiting Cooperstown who never saw Wahoo on the field will ask his parents about the cap logo someone's plaque and that will be a teachable moment (of course most will just bellyache about political correctness). Disclaimer: If this comment is about an NBA uniform from 2017-2018 or later, do not constitute a lack of acknowledgement of the corporate logo to mean anything other than "the corporate logo is terrible and makes the uniform significantly worse." BADGERS TWINS VIKINGS TIMBERWOLVES WILD POTD (Shared) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VDizzle12 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 12 minutes ago, goalieboy82 said: i am fine with the Block C hat for future Cleveland Indians inductees (if they play today). now are they going to have Chief Wahoo for players who played back in the day who get in (or go with a blank hat) I'm guessing they'd do the same as Thome and give them the Block C hat. He technically only wore it for one inning. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFGiants58 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Well, Wahoo is only on one plaque, and it’s super-obscured: Since Early Wynn wore the solo “Wishbone C” (without Wahoo), might it be time for him to get a new plaque? MLB: Project 32 (Complete), MLB: The Defunct Saga (Complete) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC985 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Outside of Thome, who has said he did not want Wahoo on his plaque, who could this impact? Manny Ramirez likely won’t make the hall, and if he did he’d likely wear a Red Sox hat. CC Sabathia would probably go as a Yankee. I’m not super knowledgeable in Indians history, but I guess there could be a Veteran’s Committee selection. Everyone else from here on out has ties to the block C. This appears to be an easy call for the HOF unless I’ve missed someone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFGiants58 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 6 minutes ago, Brandon9485 said: Outside of Thome, who has said he did not want Wahoo on his plaque, who could this impact? This appears to be an easy call for the HOF unless I’ve missed someone. If we’re talking Veteran’s Committee, Kenny Lofton and possibly Omar Visquel. MLB: Project 32 (Complete), MLB: The Defunct Saga (Complete) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WavePunter Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 1 minute ago, SFGiants58 said: If we’re talking Veteran’s Committee, Kenny Lofton and possibly Omar Visquel. I considered Lofton, as well as Albert Belle and the Alomar's.. But I'm admittedly ignorant on their status and/or eligibility Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BC985 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Just now, SFGiants58 said: If we’re talking Veteran’s Committee, Kenny Lofton and possibly Omar Visquel. Probably the two likeliest candidates from those 90s teams, but they’re a stretch at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smzimbabwe Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Will they also remove any mention of baseball's segregation history? I think not allowing blacks to play for a time is far worse than the Wahoo hat. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neo_prankster Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 3 minutes ago, smzimbabwe said: Will they also remove any mention of baseball's segregation history? I think not allowing blacks to play for a time is far worse than the Wahoo hat. Taking Cap Anson and Kenesaw Mountain Landis's plaques off the walls would be a start. The Fictional Story of Austus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crashcarson15 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 25 minutes ago, Brandon9485 said: Probably the two likeliest candidates from those 90s teams, but they’re a stretch at best. Lofton has already dropped off the ballot, which is a shame. He’s really been hurt by the high number of clear HoF-calibre players who aren’t getting elected, but are still on most ballots, because of the steroid allegations. It’ll be interesting to see how the Veterans Committee takes up his case down the road. I think Vizquel has a decent chance, probably via the VC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
goalieboy82 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 31 minutes ago, crashcarson15 said: Lofton has already dropped off the ballot, which is a shame. He’s really been hurt by the high number of clear HoF-calibre players who aren’t getting elected, but are still on most ballots, because of the steroid allegations. It’ll be interesting to see how the Veterans Committee takes up his case down the road. I think Vizquel has a decent chance, probably via the VC. that would be interesting if any of the steroid players go in (i still think MLB should treat this as an era in baseball, like pre 1920's) so long and thanks for all the fish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCM0313 Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 2 hours ago, OnWis97 said: I hate wahoo as much as anyone and I think to just say "PC!" is off the mark. That said, the HOF is a museum and should capture the good and the bad. If someone wore that hat for the key part of their career (i.e., if the Indians are the team they should represent and that's the hat they wore), then I'd rather see the hat used. This is a pretty rare departure for me. Jim Thome, I assume, is going in as an Indian. He did wear the "C" every so briefly in his late-career return to Cleveland, but Wahoo is obviously the main hat in his career. That said, if Thome himself asks to use the "C" then I think it's OK to honor that. Bert Blyleven's best/most days with the Twins was in the TC but he has the "M" and I think it's because he wanted the hat from the World Series. So I can live with Thome in the "C" if that's what he wants. I'm all for eliminating Wahoo but history can't really be changed. Some day, a kid visiting Cooperstown who never saw Wahoo on the field will ask his parents about the cap logo someone's plaque and that will be a teachable moment (of course most will just bellyache about political correctness). Apparently Early Wynn is the only player whose cap currently features Wahoo, which is in itself incredible - that logo was used for decades! I guess I didn't quite understand the historical context of the Indians' 1955-94 futility before that. Anyway, the Hall presently doesn't plan to take it off his hat, nor should they. Like you have said, teachable moment. Baseball history is as riddled with flaws and -isms as American history as a whole, and understanding that can help a person understand how baseball can serve as a microcosm of society itself. It just blows my mind, though, that Wynn and Thome are the only Hall of Famers who wore Wahoo hats for the bulk of their careers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 8 minutes ago, MCM0313 said: I guess I didn't quite understand the historical context of the Indians' 1955-94 futility before that. Major League, the only reason anyone put up a fight about Chief Wahoo, used the Indians for a reason. ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kroywen Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 I was thinking it may make more sense to use the "script I" cap for Thome's plaque, but realized he only played one season with that cap (2002). Thought it would've been longer. The block "C" works, though this may have been a case where having a side profile not showing the cap logo (a la Yogi Berra) or a blank cap might've been suitable. Would've also served as a slight nod to his years in Philly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kevin W. Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Honestly, I'm glad to see it go not just because of its racism, but also because it's just not that great of a logo. Mighty Ducks of Anaheim (CHL - 2018 Orr Cup Champions) Chicago Rivermen (UBA/WBL - 2014, 2015, 2017 Intercontinental Cup Champions) King's Own Hexham FC (BIP - 2022 Saint's Cup Champions) Portland Explorers (EFL - Elite Bowl XIX Champions) Real San Diego (UPL) Red Bull Seattle (ULL - 2018, 2019, 2020 Gait Cup Champions) Vancouver Huskies (CL) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
VikWings Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 So dumb. It’s one thing to retire it from current baseball. But let’s not erase history either. Thome shouldn’t be going in the hall with a hat he wore like once. Might as well put him in as a Phillie or Twin in that case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phutmasterflex Posted March 22, 2018 Share Posted March 22, 2018 Yeah this I would have liked And what would be cool is likely this would be the only Indians player to wear this specific cap on a plaque as no other player from that era (other than Manny -- who is likely Red Sox and Omar Vizquel -- who might not even make it) would be the only other two. Go A's! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hat Boy Posted March 23, 2018 Share Posted March 23, 2018 38 minutes ago, VikWings said: But let’s not erase history either. Thome shouldn’t be going in the hall with a hat he wore like once. So we should ignore Thome's wishes and force him to accept Chief Wahoo on his plaque? Because, without that plaque, Chief Wahoo will be lost in the annals of history forever? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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