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@SFGiants58 Will you by chance be doing concepts on any of the following teams that could have been called something different?

 

Arizona Diamondbacks


Coyotes
Phoenix
Rattlers
Scorpions

Source: https://venomstrikes.com/2016/02/04/diamondbacks-expansion-team-names/

Kansas City Royals

Batmen
Bovines
Canaries
Caps
Capsules
Cowpokes
Mules
Plowboys
Pythons
Eagles
Kings
Stars

Source: https://www.southsidesox.com/platform/amp/2018/3/31/17183054/franchise-facts-kansas-city-royals-could-have-been-called-the-canaries

Florida (Miami) Marlins

Flamingos
Manatees

Source: http://news.sportslogos.net/2011/09/28/remembering-the-florida-marlins-identity-1993-2011/

New York Mets

Avengers
Bees
Burros
Continentals
Empires
Islanders
Jets
NYBS
Rebels
Skyliners
Skyscrapers

Source: http://mentalfloss.com/article/24358/whats-nickname-origins-all-30-mlb-team-names

Seattle Mariners

Centurions
Schooners
Seagulls
Seatacs
Sovereigns
Sultans
Totems
Utopians

Source: https://mynorthwest.com/1328147/naming-seattle-mariners-1976/

Toronto Blue Jays

Abners
Algonquins
Bears
Beavers
Blue Birds
Blue Shoes
Blue Sox
Blues
Canadians
Hogtowners
Iroquois
Orangemen
Towers
Trilliums
Wildcats

Source: https://www.blogto.com/city/2014/05/5_toronto_icons_that_could_have_had_different_names/

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Since this thread covers failed expansion will you cover any cities not mentioned previously that you haven't done concepts for?

- In the early 1960's, The Continental League, a rival league to the AL and NL was created and teams placed in New York, Toronto,

  Buffalo, Atlanta, Dallas, Houston, Minneapolis and Denver.  7 of these cities have gained teams in the MLB.  Only Buffalo has not.

  Indianapolis, Los Angeles, Louisville, Miami, Montreal, New Orleans, Portland, San Diego and Seattle were also considered for the CL.

- The Kansas City Royals, Montreal Expos, Seattle Pilots and San Diego Padres were granted expansion teams in 1969.

   Buffalo, Dallas, Milwaukee, New Orleans, Oakland and Toronto were considered.

- The Seattle Mariners and Toronto Blue Jays were given expansion teams in 1977.

   Atlanta, Buffalo, Dallas, Denver, Oakland and San Diego were considered.

- In 1993, the Colorado Rockies and Florida Marlins were given expansion teams.

  Buffalo, Charlotte, Nashville, Orlando, Phoenix, Sacramento, Tampa, FL and Washington, DC were considered.

- In 1998, the Arizona Diamondbacks and Tampa Bay Devil Rays were given expansion teams.

  Buffalo, Nashville, Northern Virginia, Orlando and Vancouver were considered.

  Charlotte and Washington, DC were mentioned but neither city officially applied for expansion.

- Currently, Portland, Charlotte, Las Vegas, Nashville. Montreal and Vancouver are being considered for future expansion.

Would love to see concepts for Louisville, New Orleans, Buffalo, Nashville, Orlando, Sacramento, Vancouver.  I believe all other

locations have been covered.  Portland is awesome!  Sacramento was covered by the Giants but would love to see a fresh concept.

Same with New Orleans.  They were covered by the Pirates.  I know one of the Orlando groups was the Orlando Sun Rays.

Anyway,  I hope you will give this some consideration.  If not this time, maybe later.

 

Louisville Colonels?

Orlando Sun Rays?

Sacramento Solons?

Vancouver Mounties?

 

 

 

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Would you consider doing a “What could be?” with the potential Tampa Bay/Montreal Rays?

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On 6/23/2019 at 5:03 PM, Frylock said:

Just a quick drive-by comment to tell

you the red/black/blue set is MONEY. It ties in to the “city” sports colors of red and black (Blazers, Winterhawks, prior eras of Beavers) but adds in a delightful and fitting twist with the light blue. NAILED IT, my friend.

 

Thank you for your kind words in your reply, and I share many of the same sentiments re: the likelihood of a stadium/team coming together.

On 6/23/2019 at 5:59 PM, coco1997 said:

That black/red/light blue set is super sharp!

 

Thanks! I figured that the red/black would an excellent color scheme for a Portland team, along with the green/blue/yellow (one for the Blazers/Winterhawks/Mavericks and some Beavers, and the other for the Timbers). 

 

On 6/23/2019 at 7:01 PM, the admiral said:

Yeah, something about the black and red Portland script with the light blue flourish really, really works.

 

The tan/Irish-rainbow deer is the best Bucks variant, yeah.

 

Thank you. I'm starting to come around on the tan and Irish Rainbow as well. It's better than the OTT logos they've had for the past few brandings.

 

On 6/23/2019 at 7:50 PM, Whittier S said:

Really digging the new colorway for the stag.

 

Thanks.

 

On 6/23/2019 at 9:41 PM, nielsoncp said:

I’m more a fan of the blue stag - I think the tan one reminds me too much of the Bucks logo in the old days. Either way though, the whole concept is pretty beautiful. 

 

And good luck with the move! I feel like it always throws me off for at least a month when I move. 

 

Thanks! There's definitely a Bucks vibe, but I rather like it. My move is just about finished, so normal scheduling should resume soon.

 

On 6/23/2019 at 11:11 PM, NicDB said:

Your red/black/blue variant seems to be quite popular, and I can definitely see why. I'd make the P white on the home unis, but apart from that, don't change a thing!

 

Thanks. The white P does look nice, but I like blue a bit more (original, with red NOB w/ black outline, is linked here).

 

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On 6/24/2019 at 12:05 AM, BellaSpurs said:

I much prefer the red and black to the green tbh, but the light blue makes it seem too Chicago, maybe replace it with the green from the actual set? And what would the scripts look like with a connected tail or just removed tail. Because i don’t really like how it looks with it separated. 

Excited to see what you’ve got for your next team!

 

Thanks. The light blue is a bit Chicago-ish, but adding green wouldn't work nearly the same way. It'd have to be a lime shade, which is a little distracting. I did consider no tail or a connected tail, but it would mean either losing an injection of the third color or the flairs on the "s" and "d" letters. 

 

On 6/24/2019 at 3:11 PM, teeray01 said:

Great updates.  Eliminating the back antler gives it a cleaner look.  I have to say I like the black and red uniform option the most.  Great work again!

 

Thanks.

 

On 6/29/2019 at 3:16 PM, DNAsports said:

Would you consider doing a “What could be?” with the potential Tampa Bay/Montreal Rays?

 

Oh yes, they're on the list! I'm thinking of doing an "honest" and "silly" version of it.

 

On 6/25/2019 at 10:25 AM, teeray01 said:

Will you be doing a logo sheet for the black and red version?

 

I can do you one better. Here's the whole set!

 

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Original Home & Road, with incorrect NOB

 

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The next team should be up later today or tomorrow.

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Fixed the red NOB on the home uniform.

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You knocked this one...

 

..."OUTTA HERE!!!!" as Duane Kuiper would say.

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VIRGINIA FURY - Phase Three Horseplay

 

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The name that was worse than Minnesota Wild, Rocky Mountain Xtreme, or any number of 1996 MLS names is back, baby!

 

This wonderful idea for a team sobriquet came from an attempt by Virginia telecom executive William “Bill” Collins III, who came up with a plan to build a stadium in Northern Virginia (near Dulles Airport, “three in Fairfax County, two in Loudoun” - this is a Stadium Page link to a Loudoun County concept from the 2000s, during the discussion to bring the Expos over to the DC Metro Area) to act as a de-facto team for the District of Columbia. The team would start play at RFK before moving to their new digs, much like the current Nationals.1

 

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(William "Bill" Collins III, depicted at a 2005 Nationals game against the Astros - the team he tried to move in the mid-'90s - he's a real Harold Slovinski, by the looks of him)

 

While I initially stopped with the planned relocation of the Astros in my first design, that wasn't the end of the dreadful moniker. Collins' group (Virginia Baseball Club/Authority) continued their interest in an MLB club, seeing the perfect opportunity with the Expos. He had an agreement in principle to buy the Expos in 1999, but the deal fell through. Collins tried  in 2000 with an offer of $168 million, but he never heard back from MLB authorities. During these attempts, Collins was busy courting the state government of Virginia to help him finance a venue. While he got on well with Governor George Allen, netting a site near Arlington's Pentagon City, later politicians would prove problematic. Arlington County Board Chairman Paul Ferguson backed the city out of the deal, reversing his predecessor's support in mid-2003. Collins would shift his focus to a site outside Dulles Airport.2

 

Collins tried hard to impress MLB executives and potential investors with his 400-acre site near Dulles, which he called "Diamond Lake." Loudoun County (where the site was) negotiated extensively with the group, figuring out financing and zoning regulations. However, politicians in Virginia (during Spring-Summer 2004) were skeptical about how much a Northern Virginia team would benefit the rest of the state, especially once Norfolk tendered an offer for the Expos. Governor Mark Warner, no doubt aware of his potential conflicts of interest (he was a former business partner of Collins), withdrew his support for the Northern Virginia plan in September 2004. Collins' dream of owning a baseball team in Northern Virginia had died, allowing DC to gain ground in their pursuit of a team. While Commissioner Selig tried to garner support for a Virginia plan (out of support for Orioles owner Peter Angelos), no public funding would eliminate the Dulles site from consideration.3

 

Most of my information comes from this excellent article in Washingtonian by Harry Jaffe. It covers the fall of the Virginia bid and the rise of DC's bid (despite several big obstacles), highlighting my thesis of "The Expos were DC's team to lose and they could have easily lost them to Virginia/Norfolk."

 

Again, there are doubts if Collins was really serious about the name "Virginia Fury." I point to a quote from this article, in which he said (along with sort of supporting the Nationals sobriquet):

 

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"That was never a real suggestion," he said. "Major League Baseball was pressing us for a name and a logo so they could start marketing immediately if we got the franchise, and we came up with Fury. The logo had a horse jumping through a big 'V' as I recall."4

 

While I disregarded these plans for my original concept (in which I equated "Fury" to flames), I adapted those colors to fit with the horse design. It was also a chance for me to test out @raysox's idea of the Four Phases of Expansion Team Design. I would call my first take a Phase Two creation, while this concept is a Phase Three. 

 

The horse (based on this image) runs through a modified version of the "V" from City Medium (which went well with the 2005-10 Nationals' beveled slab-serif font). This insignia appears within a roundel for the primary and alone as the tertiary. The secondary is a "V" without the horse.

 

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Uniforms carry over some influences from the 2005-10 Nationals, such as the slab-serif numbers and the color flip between home and road sets. The wordmarks are at an angle, featuring bevels in gold. I opted for single-color striping, as a simpler design than the Nats' trim. Here is the original, after an error fix.

 

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The alternates also demonstrate the color flip, with a red-heavy home alternate and a black set with more touches of red (front numbers and cap bills). This is a mid-2000s design, so a black jersey is a must. The error version (strokes on the inside of the cap insignia) is within the link.

 

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The other alternates include the red-billed cap with the home set (along with black undershirts), alongside a 1968-71 Senators fauxback. This one features an era-appropriate version of the logo on the sleeve, as well as my attempt to turn the Nats' curly W into a V. 

 

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My primary jacket highlights the color split and the state wordmark (the original is here), while the throwback uses a "Virginia" script. 

 

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The name is dreadful (it reeks of Bill Collins trying to do a "This is what the kids like" bit), but the pitch and the design has a lot of room to make up for it. Still, I'm sure the team would have rebranded under new ownership, as "Virginia" would alienate any potential Maryland audience and a "Washington" team has a tad more cultural cache. Besides, placating Peter Angelos would have worn off with time. 

 

C+C is appreciated, as always!

 

Up next, we stick around in Virginia, albeit a little more south.

 

1 Mark Maske, “PHOENIX, TAMPA-ST. PETE LOOK LIKE LOCKS,” Washington Post, January 2, 1995, https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/sports/1995/01/22/phoenix-tampa-st-pete-look-like-locks/271474e9-ae7b-4384-8645-6a6ec50283d8/.

2 Harry Jaffe, “How DC Got Baseball Back | Washingtonian (DC),” Washingtonian (blog), April 1, 2005, https://www.washingtonian.com/2005/04/01/how-dc-got-baseball-back/.

3 Ibid.

4 The Washington Times, “Forget about the Fury Here Come the Nats (Maybe)!,” The Washington Times, March 31, 2003, https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2003/mar/31/20030331-090316-3265r/.

 

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Fixed the insignia error

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Great work! I love the heritage alt and dugout jacket. Definitely has a timeless look to it. 

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You absolutely redeemed an awful name. The Fury branding is gorgeous. BTW who is Bill Collins?

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Tbh I expected a Baltimore Colts style logo when I heard a horse jumping through a v, but I like this much better, the horse could use some adjustments, something is off with the legs maybe their a touch too small? But whatever it is doesn’t ruin the concept or anything, it’s gorgeous, and much better than the flames idea. I’m really liking the black jersey! Excited for what’s next

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This name is still try-hard, edgy, extreme 90s in a nutshell. Nauseatingly so.

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Great updates on both Portland and Virginia.  Portland is awesome in black/red/blue. I am from Fort Wayne and we had a basketball team named the Fury in the CBA.  I am actually ok with that name.  Do you design with Illustrator or Corel Draw?

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I appreciate the craftsmanship but I don't think there's anything saving "Virginia Fury." I'm glad we dodged having an explicitly Northern Virginia team; I don't think there's a more loathsome suburbia in America than an LSD spider web of McMansions whose residents develop new ways to set faraway people on fire.

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On 7/8/2019 at 11:42 AM, the admiral said:

I appreciate the craftsmanship but I don't think there's anything saving "Virginia Fury." I'm glad we dodged having an explicitly Northern Virginia team; I don't think there's a more loathsome suburbia in America than an LSD spider web of McMansions whose residents develop new ways to set faraway people on fire.

 

can't drive to save their goddamn lives, either.

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On 7/6/2019 at 6:31 AM, heavybassX said:

..... Assuming the Fury would be renamed the Nationals after this debacle if they existed.

 

Yes. I assumed that once Bill Collins' group sold the team, they'd rebrand, especially if they want to court the DC market and potential Maryland fans. Of course, public funding from the state of Virginia might prove an issue.

 

On 7/6/2019 at 12:10 PM, coco1997 said:

Great work! I love the heritage alt and dugout jacket. Definitely has a timeless look to it. 

 

Thanks!

 

On 7/6/2019 at 5:45 PM, Whittier S said:

You absolutely redeemed an awful name. The Fury branding is gorgeous. BTW who is Bill Collins?

 

Thank you. Bill Collins III was the potential owner of the Northern Virginia team, the guy spearheading the plan. I explained his role in the write-up.

 

On 7/6/2019 at 8:11 PM, BellaSpurs said:

Tbh I expected a Baltimore Colts style logo when I heard a horse jumping through a v, but I like this much better, the horse could use some adjustments, something is off with the legs maybe their a touch too small? But whatever it is doesn’t ruin the concept or anything, it’s gorgeous, and much better than the flames idea. I’m really liking the black jersey! Excited for what’s next

 

Thanks! I'm glad you like it. The short legs is a bit of an issue, but I didn't want the legs messing with the "V" shape. I do like it a bit more than the flames. 

 

On 7/7/2019 at 8:57 PM, Dalcowboyfan92 said:

This name is still try-hard, edgy, extreme 90s in a nutshell. Nauseatingly so.

 

Oh f--k is that true. This name is one of the single-worst I've run into in the project.   

 

On 7/8/2019 at 10:19 AM, teeray01 said:

Great updates on both Portland and Virginia.  Portland is awesome in black/red/blue. I am from Fort Wayne and we had a basketball team named the Fury in the CBA.  I am actually ok with that name.  Do you design with Illustrator or Corel Draw?

 

Thanks. I figured at least one CBA team would have used the "Fury" moniker. I use a combination of Inkscape and Illustrator, along with a bit of Vector Magic and Photoshop.

 

On 7/8/2019 at 10:42 AM, the admiral said:

I appreciate the craftsmanship but I don't think there's anything saving "Virginia Fury."

 

Thanks! I figured that the team might go in a horse direction with a renaming, since "Fury" doesn't necessarily connote horses. 

 

On 7/8/2019 at 10:42 AM, the admiral said:

I'm glad we dodged having an explicitly Northern Virginia team; I don't think there's a more loathsome suburbia in America than an LSD spider web of McMansions whose residents develop new ways to set faraway people on fire.

 

I agree entirely.

 

On 7/12/2019 at 10:04 PM, Jimmy Lethal said:

can't drive to save their goddamn lives, either.

On 7/13/2019 at 1:08 AM, Joke Insurance said:

Nah. We are better than Maryland drivers.

 

That reminds me of a favorite Regular Car Reviews video of mine.

 

 

You basically need a decommissioned cop car to survive the roads in the area.

 

The Norfolk team will be up soon.

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