ryguy3285 Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 Here is my vote for cy youngJOHAN SANTANAI think that Johan Santana should win the Cy young because of these reasonsHe has a 13-6 record which puts him tied for fourth in winsHe is second in ERAHas 202 strikeouts which leads the American Leauge by 32Opponets are batting a lowley .205has the lowest hits per nine with 6.66He is 4th in srikeouts per walksHe has a sick 10.20 strikeouts per nine which leads pedro by 1.02So let me know what your thoughts are on this. Oh yea we are going to have a reapeat of the 1987 world series with the same results. Twins in seven baby Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STL FANATIC Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 Rematch, maybe, same results, not likely... JUSTIN STRIEBEL | PORTFOLIO | RESUME | CONTACT Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jkrdevil Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 I don't think so, beating the Yankees in August when the games mean nothing is a lot different than beating them when the games mean nothingsomething. As for Santana, I think he is deserving of the Cy Young but I think Moulder will have something to say about that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
See Red Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 I don't think so, beating the Yankees in August when the games mean nothing is a lot different than beating them when the games mean nothing. As for Santana, I think he is deserving of the Cy Young but I think Moulder will have something to say about that. I'm gonna repeat what jkr said, but without the typo. Beating them when the games mean nothing is different than beating them when the games do mean something I believe was his intended point.However -- I do think he deserves it, and not nessecarily based on his performance today. I turned off the game in the 6th I believe to watch the olympics but at that point he had a shutout, dunno if that continued. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wheateater Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 Mulder and Santana are distinct possibilities, but I'm gonna throw in Kenny Rogers for nomination. I don't know if he should win, but if Texas gets to the postseason, he'd be one hell of a huge reason. Wagner Athletic Group11-2 Saskatoon Steeds (WAFL)-NFL-2014 Western Conference Champions / 8-5 Calgary Pronghorns (TNFF)-CFL-2014 Confederation Cup XI Champions14-6-2 Saskatoon Yellowheads (XHL)-NHL-1st, Gretzky Conference / 5-4-0 Saskatoon Czars (MLH)-AHL-T2nd, Calder Conference7-1-6 VfL Dortmund (Weltliga)-Bundesliga-3rd, League / 5-1-5 West End AFC (WFL)-EPL-T5th, League14-7 Saskatoon Sheiks (AA)-MLB-2014 Founder's Cup Champions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROCHitman Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 I would agree but Johan started off slow while Mark Mulder has been RELATIVELY consistent all year up until this last 1.5 months. Whoever pitched better in Spetmenber gets the award. I'm affraid Rogers' aweful ERA in August and July will hamper his chances.The stats -JOHAN SANTANA G GS W L SV CG SHO IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP BAA April 5 5 1 0 0 0 0 28.1 30 18 17 5 8 24 5.40 1.34 .273 May 6 6 1 3 0 0 0 32.2 42 22 21 6 11 30 5.79 1.62 .313 June 5 5 4 1 0 0 0 37.2 21 10 10 5 6 46 2.39 0.72 .160 July 6 6 3 2 0 1 1 46.0 14 7 6 4 15 61 1.17 0.63 .095 August 3 3 3 0 0 0 0 21.1 16 7 6 3 4 29 2.53 0.94 .208 MARK MULDER G GS W L SV CG SHO IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP BAA April 5 5 2 2 0 0 0 33.0 28 13 11 2 10 25 3.00 1.15 .228 May 5 5 4 0 0 3 1 39.0 30 14 13 4 12 23 3.00 1.08 .214 June 6 6 4 0 0 1 0 46.0 41 14 14 3 14 33 2.74 1.20 .246 July 5 5 4 1 0 1 0 37.0 38 21 21 4 11 26 5.11 1.32 .275 August 3 3 1 1 0 0 0 22.0 22 14 14 5 11 12 5.73 1.50 .272KENNY ROGERS G GS W L SV CG SHO IP H R ER HR BB K ERA WHIP BAA April 5 5 3 1 0 0 0 31.2 32 16 15 1 10 16 4.26 1.33 .264 May 6 6 5 1 0 1 1 41.0 40 12 10 3 12 25 2.20 1.27 .260 June 6 6 3 0 0 1 0 38.0 36 17 17 7 7 23 4.03 1.13 .243 July 5 5 2 2 0 0 0 26.1 43 23 22 4 5 15 7.52 1.82 .371 August 3 3 1 1 0 0 0 15.1 23 15 14 2 11 7 8.22 2.22 .359 Owner of Kalamazoo Tech Kobras (Nat'l College Fant. Assc. Basketball, Football, and Hockey) 2006-07 NCFAB National Champions2006 NCFAF Midwest Conf. ChampionsRochester Patriots (Major League Hockey - AHL Fantasy League) 2005-06 Neilson Cup ChampsDetroit Black Panthers (Xtreme Hockey League) 2005-06 Yzerman Conference ChampsSheldon Motorsports (TRAC) - #20 Guinness Chevy & #21 UPS Chevy #44 Syracuse University ChevyCommissioner ofMLH (Major League Hockey, an AHL Fantasy League)TRAC (Team Racing Auto Circuit, NASCAR) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaolinaJoe Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 With all the teams having about the same record, Mulder gets it. He's more important to his team that Santana. Rogers is also more important to his team, plus he'll get the feel good vote(the old guy on the team that was supposed to be bad).Santana has the most support around him, so it diminish's his pitching. "It is the soldier, not the reporter, who has given us freedom of thepress. It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us freedom ofspeech. It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who has given usthe freedom to demonstrate. And it is the soldier who salutes theflag, serves beneath the flag, whose coffin is draped by the flag, andwho allows the protester to burn the flag."Marine Chaplain Dennis Edward O' Brien Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ROCHitman Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 Are you sure that JS gets more run support than Mulder?The Twins offense is pretty anemic at times. Owner of Kalamazoo Tech Kobras (Nat'l College Fant. Assc. Basketball, Football, and Hockey) 2006-07 NCFAB National Champions2006 NCFAF Midwest Conf. ChampionsRochester Patriots (Major League Hockey - AHL Fantasy League) 2005-06 Neilson Cup ChampsDetroit Black Panthers (Xtreme Hockey League) 2005-06 Yzerman Conference ChampsSheldon Motorsports (TRAC) - #20 Guinness Chevy & #21 UPS Chevy #44 Syracuse University ChevyCommissioner ofMLH (Major League Hockey, an AHL Fantasy League)TRAC (Team Racing Auto Circuit, NASCAR) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryguy3285 Posted August 19, 2004 Author Share Posted August 19, 2004 OK i did a little reasearch on run support and frankly its in Johans favor againWhat I did was i took the total of runs scored and divided it by the number of games pitchedMark Mulder : 25 games pitched 162 runs for the A'sAverage: 6.48 runs per gameKenny Rogers : 26 games pitched 152 runs for the RangersAverage: 5.84 runs per gameJohan Santana : 26 games pitched 124 runs for the TwinsAverage: 4.76 runs per gameThis I think is very telling too because of the fact that on July 10th Mark Mulder gave up 6 earned runs and still won because the A's scored 16. The very next day against the tigers Johan gives up two earned runs and gets the loss because the Twins are shutout. I mean wins are important but that is not what the Cy Young should be determined by. I think that looking at run support in relation to wins is something that should be considered Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yh Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 All I can say is Johan has been the MVP of my CL team since I was fortunate enough to pluck hiim off of the free agent pile in June. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnWis97 Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 I'm a Twins fan and I'm pullin for Johan, but right now, I'd give it to Mulder. It should be his to lose. If Johan keeps it up and Mulder falters, then I think he should have a shot. Disclaimer: If this comment is about an NBA uniform from 2017-2018 or later, do not constitute a lack of acknowledgement of the corporate logo to mean anything other than "the corporate logo is terrible and makes the uniform significantly worse." BADGERS TWINS VIKINGS TIMBERWOLVES WILD POTD (Shared) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gosioux76 Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 I'd also hesitate to call this win against the Yankees "unimportant." REmember, the Twins just came off a weekend drubbing by Cleveland, a team that somehow sneaked up to within a game of first place. The team was down and on top of that they were facing three games against the Yankees, a team they haven't beat in the regular season for eons. These victories mean as much, in my opinion, as a win in August. Johan deserves the Cy Young. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lee. Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 Mulder and Santana are distinct possibilities, but I'm gonna throw in Kenny Rogers for nomination. I don't know if he should win, but if Texas gets to the postseason, he'd be one hell of a huge reason. Plus, between his wonderful corn muffins and frequent appearances in Branson, MO, it just makes him seem more rounded than those who only 'pitch'. Welcome to DrunjFlix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yh Posted August 19, 2004 Share Posted August 19, 2004 Mulder and Santana are distinct possibilities, but I'm gonna throw in Kenny Rogers for nomination. I don't know if he should win, but if Texas gets to the postseason, he'd be one hell of a huge reason. Plus, between his wonderful corn muffins and frequent appearances in Branson, MO, it just makes him seem more rounded than those who only 'pitch'. And when asked about the secret to his pitching success he had this to say, "You've got to know when to hold 'em, know when to fold 'em . . . " Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joshawaggie Posted September 4, 2004 Share Posted September 4, 2004 sorry to bring up an old topic, but after his last 2 or 3 starts since this topic was discussed Johan has been the MAN! what is the Cy Young situation lookin like now? I havent seen what other contenders have done recently... @josh_j12 CFA- Fargo Bobcats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RyanB06 Posted September 4, 2004 Share Posted September 4, 2004 Rematch, maybe, same results, not likely... Rematch? Of 1946, maybe... Sodboy13 said: As you watch more basketball, you will learn to appreciate the difference between "defense" and "couldn't find the rim with a pair of bloodhounds and a Garmin." meet the new page, not the same as the old page. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gosioux76 Posted September 4, 2004 Share Posted September 4, 2004 Johan made another strong Cy Young case last night, pitching seven innings of one-hit ball and striking out 11 batters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaolinaJoe Posted September 4, 2004 Share Posted September 4, 2004 With all the teams having about the same record, Mulder gets it. He's more important to his team that Santana. Rogers is also more important to his team, plus he'll get the feel good vote(the old guy on the team that was supposed to be bad).Santana has the most support around him, so it diminish's his pitching. I change my vote, Johann the man! "It is the soldier, not the reporter, who has given us freedom of thepress. It is the soldier, not the poet, who has given us freedom ofspeech. It is the soldier, not the campus organizer, who has given usthe freedom to demonstrate. And it is the soldier who salutes theflag, serves beneath the flag, whose coffin is draped by the flag, andwho allows the protester to burn the flag."Marine Chaplain Dennis Edward O' Brien Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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