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1 hour ago, Brandon9485 said:

 

But what is bad about the Expos outside your lack of memory of them? Both the home and road uniform they ended with in 2004 are classics in my opinion. 

 

I like what the Nats have to work with, but I wish they’d drop all of their patriotic uniforms and hats (it’s overkill), standardize their hats and jerseys to home or away. Wearing the blue cap at home makes me think they don’t know what they’re doing. I like the road uniform, now drop the navy alt, add the Nationals script to a white home, and keep the red alt as it plays at home and on the road. 

The colors don’t mix well imo, well The shades don’t, and the logo made no sense, the logo with the letters underneath of it on the chest of the jersey was dumb. Their last uniforms, which honestly I forget about were definitely the best they had. The script was much nicer. But the light blue felt forced and ugly. Overall the Nats brand is cleaner nicer, and while needing some tweaking could look really nice. I always felt as though Montreal had so much to build off of for a brand but were restricted with the Expos, which was also a bad name.

I would love a team in Montreal tbh, but I don’t want the Expos back.

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The Expos’ wordmarks, colors, and jersey designs were fine. Sure, 1992-04 designs could use a tweaking to get them less “bulbous” looking, but they were still good.

 

The “eMb”/“Meb”/“elbM” is one of the single worst logos in baseball history. That blob’s problem’s are best summed up by @Gothamite here:

 

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The Expos logo, on the other hand, is a bloody mess. It's supposed to look like an "M", but doesn't. The muddy silhouette, moreover, is clearly comprised of a distinctive and unmistakeable "e", "l", and "b". Which was not the intended effect.


...with @B-Rich doing some more “visual” examinations of why it doesn’t work:

 

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Back on topic: The Expos brand, in my opinion is one of the worst ever in sports. 

And one of the parts that people don't discuss, which I'll go into graphically below, is that it is terribly rendered from a technical sense, and graphically incorrect in what it is trying to supposedly convey (according to the official description).

Briefly, though, a few thoughts before I go into that. 

1. Naming a team for a world's fair that occurred 2 years before the team first played is a goofy idea. I know the World's Fair was a great success and was a point of pride for those of Montreal, but seriously? Expos? Not to be outdone, Montreal did the same type of thing again a few years later, naming their first NASL team the Olympiques, one year after the city was awarded that event.

2. The concept of the logo, as one can see from the discussion on the board, the Newhart clip, and other references, is shoddy. Is it an "M" or not? There is clearly a lower case "e" in red, but is the right half of the logo a lowercase "b"? And what about the white section? Is it an "I", a "J", or something else, or negative space? Plus the whole original team name "expos" being done in lower case looks dumb. I am aware that use of all lowercase may have been a "thing" in the late 60s, but it still looked stupid.

3. Now on to the design itself. As per the earlier discussion, there is a general consensus backed up by the official description that the logo in its entirety represents a capital "M", with big rounded serifs on both bottom ends. However, it is not just any "M". but what I would call a "closed" M. For comparison's sake, let's look at an open "E" and a closed "E":

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Both adequately convey the letter "E", but the one on the right is "closed" with only lines and no space differentiating the arms of the capital "E".

Let's start by disregarding the 3 colors and the "e" and "b", and begin with a look at the outline of the "M", provided by Cesarano:

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Now, to turn this into an "M", you would need to add three lines; one from the top down and two from the bottom up. The indentations in between the rounded curves indicate where these lines would go (see 1st picture below). But if you add the lines, keeping them parallel with the existing parallel outside lines of the "M" (and overall italicization of the logo), look at what you come up with (2nd pic below):

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It's unbalanced and irregular. It doesn't work. We can try a different track, and point the interior lines to the midpoint of each opposite curve (see 1st pic below). It looks a little better, but is still something that is imbalanced and irregular. The fact that all vertical lines are not parallel works against the eyes. It may be better if the lines separating the "legs" of the M diminished to a vanishing point, rather than the straight edge ends that I used here, but I don't think so:

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That being said, could the original Montreal Expos "M" logo (1st pic below) be tweaked and fixed? I took a shot at it, based upon maintaining the parallel lines concept and the closed "M". I also added a "hole" to better advertise the "b". I tried several iterations to mirror the curlicue of the "e" to make the loop of the "b", but none of them worked. I think the capital "M" is a little more noticeable-- the curl of the "e" indicates the break in between two legs, and the white/blue centered break does the same-- but that's about the only improvement.

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I think it’s an ugly blob that fails to accomplish its goal. It tries to cram too much into one design, creates ambiguity over the various shapes (hence why people think there’s a hidden “l,” when there is none), and the letters are poorly-constructed.

 

Say what you want about the “curly W”/“interlocking DC” or any other part of the Nationals’ identity, it’s at least clear what all the letters are meant to be. The team has some inconsistencies, sure, but it has no elements as awful as the “Meb” blob. Heck, the “M-blob” is also a terrible example of the “French Canadian” style. Compare it to what the Alouettes and Nordiques did:

 

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I don’t even like the Nordiques’ crest that much, but it’s better than the Expos’ design. Affiliates also nailed the aesthetic of the club without having a blob logo.

 

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I don’t mind the name coming back, especially for how Expo ‘67 was such a shining moment in the city’s history (without the baggage of what happen in 1976 and how that Olympics kind of doomed the Expos). I just don’t want that crummy logo back.

 

On 5/24/2019 at 8:35 AM, Marlins93 said:

I much prefer the Expos logos and uniforms to what the Nats wear.

 

Loved the pinstripes of the later years and think the cap monogram is miles better than the Brewers BiG.

 

Sure, I can see that, seeing as how you grew up with the Expos’ logo set and their 1992-04 uniforms. I get the sense that there are very few “new” designs you like.

 

Saying that the “M-blob” is better than the BiG, that’s a strange take. I’m not even a big BiG guy, but at least it’s clearly an “mb” and has a better construction. 

 

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On 5/24/2019 at 4:09 AM, the admiral said:

petty grievances

 

The question of national identity is not petty.

 

The Quebecois people clearly consider their nation to be Quebec — the provincial parliament is called the National Assembly — and see Canada as a confederation of nations.  If English Canada is not prepared to accept this characterisation (one which describes the traditional relationship between the founding peoples of Canada), then it should have no problem letting Quebec chart its own course democratically.

 

In other words: the deniers of Quebecois nationhood should not wonder why those in whose eye they have just spit wish to use democratic means to formalise and protect that nationhood.

 

 

On 5/24/2019 at 4:09 AM, the admiral said:

You're high as balls; Montreal would have crumbled to the ground in an "independent," emphasis on the scare quotes, Quebec. Turns out governments that intentionally destabilize themselves out of petty grievances and then opt out of having their own monetary policies are not growth markets. Not only would the Expos not have survived, it may have even put a bullet in the Canadiens, or, at absolute best, left them in an even more enfeebled state than they're already in now.

 

On 5/24/2019 at 6:21 AM, WSU151 said:

"Quebexit" (hey why not)  

 

This is an ironic comment, because Quebec independence would have created a relationship very similar to that which exists in the Eurozone (a grouping which never included Britain, even before Brexit) — namely, one between independent countries with a  common monetary policy.  Canada would have played the dominant role of Germany or France, the ones who actually set the policy, with Quebec comparable to a small economy such as Belgium or Portugal.

 

If Major League Baseball and the NHL can operate on both sides of the Canadian-U.S. international border, then these leagues could easily have straddled an international border between Canada and Quebec.

 

 

On 5/24/2019 at 8:58 AM, BellaSpurs said:

most of my life they’ve been the nats.


Fans like this constitute the most important reason for the Nationals to wear the Expos throwbacks. The throwbacks are necessary on the grounds of education.

 

Someone is bound to retort that the team is doing this not in order to educate anyone, but simply to sell merchandise. To which I reply: I don't care.  I care only about the outcome, which will be that baseball fans (especially the youngest ones) will be reminded that the Expos are part of this franchise.  Knowing the facts of history is a good in its own right.

 

 

On 5/24/2019 at 8:55 AM, BellaSpurs said:

The loss of the expos, while sad was the loss of one of the worst looking teams. From a design aspect I’d take what Washington has done recently over anything Montreal did.

 

I can agree that the Nationals have a beautiful look, especially at home.  This...

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...is one of the finest looks in baseball, though I would simplify the piping to red only, as the Rangers of the mid-1990s showed how good red-on-blue lettering looks next to simple red piping.  And these particular gentlemen make the uniform even nicer by knowing how to wear their socks (even if they all should be wearing the same design).

 

BUUUUUUT ... that's no reason to denegrate the Expos' gorgeous look.  The team's original uniforms were fantastic, with that iconic logo (even if some people claim to be confused by it), the lower-case wordmark, the tri-colour cap, and the elegant number font.  Do not even try telling me that this...

 

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...is not a beautiful uniform, because I am just not having it.  The introduction of the racing stripe was unnecessary; this gaudy feature clashed with the overall aesthetic. But that still did not destroy the unique beauty of this uniform.

 

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The only problem with the original uniforms was that the road set was always powder blue rather than grey.  But, if the Expos had kept this set past 1991, they surely would have switched to grey on the road, as they did with the new uniforms; and the road look would have experienced the same improvement that the Phillies' and Brewers' road uniforms did when those teams replaced powder blue with grey.

 

 

On 5/24/2019 at 9:06 AM, Brandon9485 said:

Both the home and road uniform they ended with in 2004 are classics in my opinion. 

 

On 5/24/2019 at 9:35 AM, Marlins93 said:

Loved the pinstripes of the later years

 

I think the Expos' latter-day home uniform was pretty bad.  That uniform, with its generic cursive wordmark, had no identity. And without the tri-colour cap the team lost a feature that was just as fundamental to the look as is the logo. That set pales in comparison to the real Expos uniforms.

 

However, the road version was pretty solid, especially with the fleur-de-lis right above the wordmark. And, while I prefer the tri-colour cap, I suppose that I could accept the solid blue cap on the road.

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I would like to have seen this road uniform paired with the classic home uniform, but with the Expos' classic number font.  I'd remove the racing stripe from the home set and add to the home jersey the sleeve stripes we see here on road jersey.  I could even see using the blue hat on the road instead of the tri-colour hat; this would keep a consistent theme of road cap and the road jersey being less ornate than their home counterparts.
 

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10 minutes ago, Ferdinand Cesarano said:

 

The question of national identity is not petty.

 

The Quebecois people clearly consider their nation to be Quebec — the provincial parliament is called the National Assembly — and see Canada as a confederation of nations.  If English Canada is not prepared to accept this characterisation (one which describes the traditional relationship between the founding peoples of Canada), then it should have no problem letting Quebec chart its own course democratically.

 

In other words: the deniers of Quebecois nationhood should not wonder why those in whose eye they have just spit wish to use democratic means to formalise and protect that nationhood.

 

 

...at the expense of the Jewish population, cultural plurality, and having a stable business community. Ask @Ice_Cap how that went. 

 

Speaking of which, regional identity? That sounds mighty familiar (“Dixie” plays slowly in the background).

 

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This is an ironic comment, because Quebec independence would have created a relationship very similar to that which exists in the Eurozone (a grouping which never included Britain, even before Brexit) — namely, one between independent countries with a  common monetary policy.  Canada would have played the dominant role of Germany or France, the ones who actually set the policy, with Quebec comparable to a small economy such at Belgium or Portugal.

 

If Major League Baseball and the NHL can operate on both sides of the Canadian-U.S. international border, then these leagues could easily have straddled an international border between Canada and Quebec.

 

 

So, you don’t think that the Canadian recession of the 1990s would have been exceptionally bad for Quebec had they separated? You also don’t think that the Canadian government wouldn’t have tried to put some variety of sanctions on the province? That’s a tad naive.

 

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Fans like this constitute the most important reason for the Nationals to wear the Expos throwbacks. The throwbacks are necessary on the grounds of education.

 

Teach them what? They know they were the Expos and they like the Nationals’ design more? Do they need to be “educated” in the opinion that the Expos had a great look (according to you)?

 

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Someone is bound to retort that the team is doing this not in order to educate anyone, but simply to sell merchandise. To which I reply: I don't care.  I care only about the outcome, which will be that baseball fans (especially the youngest ones) will be reminded that the Expos are part of this franchise.  Knowing the facts of history is a good in its own right.

 

 

They already know it.

 

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I can agree that the Nationals have a beautiful look, especially at home.  This...

Image result for washington nationals 2018

 

...is one of the finest looks in baseball, though I would simplify the piping to red only, as the Rangers of the mid-1990s showed how good red-on-blue lettering looks next to simple red piping.  And these particular gentlemen make the uniform even nicer by knowing how to wear their socks (even if they all should be wearing the same design).

 

It’s fine, but the interlocking “DC” (with some clean-up) and the “Nationals” script are better than the “W.”

 

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BUUUUUUT ... that's no reason to denegrate the Expos' gorgeous look.  The team's original uniforms were fantastic, with that iconic logo (even if some people claim to be confused by it), the lower-case wordmark, the tri-colour cap, and the elegant number font.  Do not even try telling me that this...

 

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...is not a beautiful uniform, because I am just not having it.  The introduction of the racing stripe was unnecessary; this gaudy feature clashed with the overall aesthetic. But that still did not destroy the unique beauty of this uniform.

 

The striping and color balance are fine. The logo was garbage.

 

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The only problem with the original uniforms was that the road set was always powder blue rather than grey.  But, if the Expos had kept this set past 1991, they surely would have switched to grey on the road, as they did with the new uniforms; and the road look would have experienced the same improvement that the Phillies' and Brewers' road uniforms did when those teams replaced powder blue with grey.

 

 

I’d agree with that.

 

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I think the Expos' latter-day home uniform was pretty bad.  That uniform, with its generic cursive wordmark, had no identity. And without the tri-colour cap the team lost a feature that was just as fundamental to the look as is the logo. That set pales in comparison to the real Expos uniforms.

 

Again, I agree to an extent. Blue pinstripes brings them too close to the Mets and Cubs. The cursive script could use some clean-up to work and the blue cap is fine. Also, using the word “real” is just a bad rhetorical approach.

 

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However, the road version was pretty solid, especially with the fleur-de-lis right above the wordmark. And, while I prefer the tri-colour cap, I suppose that I could accept the solid blue cap on the road.

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Thinner arm stripes (1969-sized) would be better, as well as a blue script with a single red outline.

 

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I would like to have seen this road uniform paired with the classic home uniform, but with the Expos' classic number font.  I'd remove the racing stripe from the home set and add to the home jersey the sleeve stripes we see here on road jersey.  I could even see using the blue hat on the road instead of the tri-colour hat; this would keep a consistent theme of road cap and the road jersey being less ornate than their home counterparts.
 

 

Yeah, no. The thick stripes are the worst part of that road uniform. The Clarendon numbers are also not an improvement over a simple block variant (Wilson Varsity isn’t a favorite of mine).

 

Eh, different strokes for different folks.

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On 5/23/2019 at 12:30 AM, NicDB said:

I like Montreal for purely nostalgic reasons.  And the fact that they have a MLB-capable venue has to make them the front-runner as of this moment. 

But all the reasons they left in the first place still exist.  Especially if you take for granted that the market was indeed sabotaged.  

I have that same mindset too but I also think that MLB no longer works in Montreal.  There was a reason they left besides the "Big O" being a bad place for baseball.  I think Portland could be a prime candidate if they either put up public funds or if someone pulls a Stan Kronke and wants to put up their own private funds.  

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1 hour ago, Ferdinand Cesarano said:

Fans like this constitute the most important reason for the Nationals to wear the Expos throwbacks. The throwbacks are necessary on the grounds of education.

 

Someone is bound to retort that the team is doing this not in order to educate anyone, but simply to sell merchandise. To which I reply: I don't care.  I care only about the outcome, which will be that baseball fans (especially the youngest ones) will be reminded that the Expos are part of this franchise.  Knowing the facts of history is a good in its own right.

 

 

 

BUUUUUUT ... that's no reason to denegrate the Expos' gorgeous look.  The team's original uniforms were fantastic, with that iconic logo (even if some people claim to be confused by it), the lower-case wordmark, the tri-colour cap, and the elegant number font.  Do not even try telling me that this...

 

Image result for expos staub

 

...is not a beautiful uniform, because I am just not having it.  The introduction of the racing stripe was unnecessary; this gaudy feature clashed with the overall aesthetic. But that still did not destroy the unique beauty of this uniform.

 

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Not sure why the younger kids need to be "educated with uniforms".

 

Here's how that conversation goes for young kids who have done zero research about it on the internet: 

"Hey Timmy, the Nationals used to be the Montreal Expos"

"Oh. Okay. Great. Did they win any championships?"

 

And the racing stripe did not clash with the uniform...it was an extension of the tri-colored hats. White-red-blue on the hat, white-red-blue (from front-to back) on the jerseys. 

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1 hour ago, WSU151 said:

Not sure why the younger kids need to be "educated with uniforms"

 

Seeing the pictures and highlights of this game will create vivid memories.  And the game itself will spur many conversations on message boards and on TV and radio (not that young fans listen to radio).  All of this will be helpful for the historical knowledge of the vast majority of fans who are not likely ever to get to the Nationals' franchise history page at Baseball Reference to see the Expos players' pictures and the Expos' season totals.

 

 

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me: Someone is bound to retort that the team is doing this not in order to educate anyone, but simply to sell merchandise. To which I reply: I don't care.  I care only about the outcome, which will be that baseball fans (especially the youngest ones) will be reminded that the Expos are part of this franchise.  Knowing the facts of history is a good in its own right

 

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@SFGiants58They already know it

 

Do they, though? It would be interesting to see a survey of baseball fans in the 13-to-15 age group on the question of who were the Montreal Expos.  My speculation is that only a very small amount of them would be able to identify the team as the former identity of the Washington Nationals.  And, every year that we get farther away from the Expos' move to Washington, there emerges an additional set of young fans who would be even less likekly to know this.  These are the fans who will benefit most from the memorable event of an Expos throwback game.

 

 

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@SFGiants58Do they need to be “educated” in the opinion that the Expos had a great look (according to you)?

 

No; simply about the fact that the Expos are part of the Nationals franchise.  Even if the Nationals were doing a throwback to the Expos' latter-day uniforms that I don't like, I would still be enthusiastically in favour of it.

 

 

1 hour ago, WSU151 said:

And the racing stripe did not clash with the uniform...it was an extension of the tri-colored hats. White-red-blue on the hat, white-red-blue (from front-to back) on the jerseys. 

 

The problem with the racing stripe is not the colours, but the width.  The Expos' aesthetic was refined and elegant.  The thick racing stripe clashed with the delicate thin lines in the number font and with the understated lower-case wordmark. Compare it to the racing stripe worn by the Mets. While the racing stripe didn't aesthetically benefit the Mets' uniforms, at least in that case there was no thematic clash, as the bold stripe was in harmony with the wide strokes of the Mets' wordmark.

 

A modification of the Expos' original uniform that would have been appropriate would have entailed a thickening of the sleeve stripes to the level of the sleeve stripes that appeared at the ends of the sleeves of the latter-day road jersey.

 

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@Ferdinand Cesarano

The Expos is bad, even the original, that font is not elegant at all, it’s pretty poor and ugly and is a big downgrade from even a simple block. The lower case words underneath the bad logo is bad, all that on the chest of the jersey next to the number, that’s really bad. The tricolor hats are overrated. 

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53 minutes ago, Ferdinand Cesarano said:

 

Seeing the pictures and highlights of this game will create vivid memories.  And the game itself will spur many conversations on message boards and on TV and radio (not that young fans listen to radio).  All of this will be helpful for the historical knowledge of the vast majority of fans who are not likely ever to get to the Nationals' franchise history page at Baseball Reference to see the Expos players' pictures and the Expos' season totals.

 

 

Those “conversations” usually go in this direction:

 

”This is insulting that the Nats are playing Expos dress-up!”

”The Nats are taking Bryce Harper’s departure hard, look at how they’re trying to scramble for fans.”

”Expos fans roast Nationals for wearing throwbacks.”

“We don’t give a crap about the Expos!”

 

No replacement team, no exact throwbacks. It just feels wrong.

 

Besides, any dedicated or casual fan can look up those stats and photos. It’s not like it’s St. Louis Browns-tier obscure.

 

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Do they, though? It would be interesting to see a survey of baseball fans in the 13-to-15 age group on the question of who were the Montreal Expos.  My speculation is that only a very small amount of them would be able to identify the team as the former identity of the Washington Nationals.  And, every year that we get farther away from the Expos' move to Washington, there emerges an additional set of young fans who would be even less likekly to know this.  These are the fans who will benefit most from the memorable event of an Expos throwback game.

 

But is is it really necessary to know this history as a fan? The kids can take five seconds on Wikipedia to learn it, then go back to not caring about players who they never watched and have no relevance to their city. They’ll admit that Montréal’s team left due to a variety of factors, feel a tiny bit of regret, and move on. If the history comes up, a quick search can give them all the info they need. It’s not like they were a team that won multiple championships. Heck, all of the big names of the Expos played for many other teams (Gary Cater and Rusty Staub with the Mets, Andre Dawson with the Cubs, Tim Raines with several clubs, Pedro Martinez with the Red Sox, and Vladimir Guerrero with the Angels). The Nats should be free to do what they want with the Expos’ history, as long as the record books don’t change.

 

I’m a fan of a relocated team that prides itself on its history pre-relocation. However, there are factors that allow for it:

 

1. The name didn’t change and plenty of players overlapped both on-field and in the organization.

2. A replacement team arrived in 1962. Therefore, no hard feelings.

3. The Giants spent their first 56 years in San Francisco without a championship. For the sake of honoring titles, they had to acknowledge New York. The Expos don’t have that.

 

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No; simply about the fact that the Expos are part of the Nationals franchise.  Even if the Nationals were doing a throwback to the Expos' latter-day uniforms that I don't like, I would still be enthusiastically in favour of it.

 

 

Again, five seconds on Wikipedia takes care of this. They don’t need this information forced upon them, because it’s not particularly relevant to the Nationals’ current identity and using throwbacks pours plentiful amounts of salt in the wounds of Expos fans.

 

You know what would be best? How about a compromise fauxback, like what the Rangers did in 1994?

 

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It's still the Rangers, but it finds a way to invoke their past (recent past as well, given that they reused the '80s-1993 script) without shoving it in Washington fans' faces. This is how you handle throwbacks when there’s no replacement team. Just say “Expos-inspired” and you’re good.

 

The Winnipeg Whips’ logo would be perfect for a fauxback like this.

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If Washington kept the name Expos a throwback would be more appropriate and welcomed, but as it is now, it’s like the Hornets throwing back to the Bobcat days, or the Jets throwing back to the Thrashers

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1 hour ago, SFGiants58 said:

You know what would be best? How about a compromise fauxback, like what the Rangers did in 1994?

 

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If the Nationals whipped up some kind of Expos-inspired alt uniform, I would definitely like that.  This would accomplish the same end of informing young people (and reminding people who are not as knowledgeable in baseball history as the people on this board are) about the Expos as part of the Washington Nationals franchise.

 

The fact that the Nationals' history as the Expos is written in the Wikipedia page does not necessarily mean that this awareness will make it to the status of common knowledge. Any sort of promotion done by the team would be immensely helpful in this regard.

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2 hours ago, SFGiants58 said:

 

 

You know what would be best? How about a compromise fauxback, like what the Rangers did in 1994?

 

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Wait, what? I’ve never seen these before. 

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15 minutes ago, Brandon9485 said:

 

Wait, what? I’ve never seen these before. 

 

Oh yeah, they were worn for a game back in 1994. I only heard about them through Bill Henderson’s book. I like how these fauxbacks handle the Sens MK II’s aesthetic by folding it into the local identity. It’s less insulting to the city that (at the time) didn’t have a replacement team. It’s why I kind of wish the Thunder would do this (concept by @Brauny1280😞

 

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...or have the Winnipeg Jets do a Thrashers-inspired design (they already appropriated Atlanta’s light blue):

 

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I find the subtle acknowledgement a bit more respectful.

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3 hours ago, SFGiants58 said:

Besides, any dedicated or casual fan can look up those stats and photos. It’s not like it’s St. Louis Browns-tier obscure.

 

And even if the Expos do become that level of obscure, is that really so bad?

 

Baseball’s history is littered with gems just waiting to be found, like when you realize the Brewers, Angels, Orioles, and Padres all took their name from earlier clubs.  Or when you learn that the Cubs were the original Chicago White Stockings.  Or that the Browns almost chased the Cardinals out of St. Louis. 

 

That’s rich and wonderful.  That’s baseball.  I really don’t see why it would be such a tragedy if the Expos lapsed into legend like the Pilots and the Browns, something for fans to discover on their own. 

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Went and picked up one of these today. I always go for the 39thirty Flex because I find the regular 5950s uncomfortable and awkward.

 

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But when I picked it up, I noticed the back script on mine was a bit different than what's on the official website.

 

 

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I'm not trying to read too much into this, as it's possible that they just got lazy and used the same wordmark that's been on the royal blue version.

 

However, it's clear that the original wordmark on both the royal and navy version was based on the jerseys the caps were designed to be worn with. And they'd already made a few runs of these with the original (current) wordmark. So why go through the trouble of changing it?

 

As I said, I'm not trying to read too much into it. But could this be more evidence that the Brewers are leaning towards some version of the original BiG era unis, but in navy rather than royal?

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7 year old me knew that the logo on his Montreal gumball helmet was an M. What the heck else would it be?

 

[shrugs]

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8 hours ago, Gothamite said:

 

And even if the Expos do become that level of obscure, is that really so bad?

 

Baseball’s history is littered with gems just waiting to be found, like when you realize the Brewers, Angels, Orioles, and Padres all took their name from earlier clubs.  Or when you learn that the Cubs were the original Chicago White Stockings.  Or that the Browns almost chased the Cardinals out of St. Louis. 

 

That’s rich and wonderful.  That’s baseball.  I really don’t see why it would be such a tragedy if the Expos lapsed into legend like the Pilots and the Browns, something for fans to discover on their own. 

 

♫ We are the Montreal Preservation Society

God save Hawk and Vlad, and MLB impropriety 

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17 hours ago, SFGiants58 said:

 

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Thank you so much for posting this! I have this hat and have never quite been able to identify it, although I knew it was for the rangers!

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8 hours ago, the admiral said:

 

♫ We are the Montreal Preservation Society

God save Hawk and Vlad, and MLB impropriety 

 

Language police knocks on your door, tells you that Ontario wants your club.

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17 hours ago, SFGiants58 said:

 

Oh yeah, they were worn for a game back in 1994. I only heard about them through Bill Henderson’s book. I like how these fauxbacks handle the Sens MK II’s aesthetic by folding it into the local identity. It’s less insulting to the city that (at the time) didn’t have a replacement team. It’s why I kind of wish the Thunder would do this (concept by @Brauny1280😞

 

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...or have the Winnipeg Jets do a Thrashers-inspired design (they already appropriated Atlanta’s light blue):

 

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I find the subtle acknowledgement a bit more respectful.

The Thunder should never be allowed to wear that. It’s a well-done concept, but real-life usage would spit in Seattle’s face. 

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