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2 minutes ago, Marlins93 said:

Well the roof is clearly not even close to being fully retracted in that last picture (I have no idea why that's the case) for one, which is probably exacerbating the problems. Hard to tell in the first two.

 

That is as far as it retracts.  It doesn’t open as much as you seem to think it does.  It bifurcates, yes, but that only means it looms over both sides of the diamond. 

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Just now, Gothamite said:

 

That is as far as it retracts.  It doesn’t open as much as you seem to think it does.  It bifurcates, yes, but that only means it looms over both sides of the diamond. 

Nope.

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1 minute ago, Sec19Row53 said:

A - I think the point was that certain of the shadows (first photo) are due to the windows and have nothing to do with the roof.

B - the first two panels on the first base side are typically left closed as in your third photo to minimize pitcher/batter shadows.

Exactly!

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1 minute ago, Gothamite said:

 

That is as far as it retracts.  It doesn’t open as much as you seem to think it does.  It bifurcates, yes, but that only means it looms over both sides of the diamond. 

Nope. All three panels neatly stack on top of each other when it fully retracts. In that last photo you posted (with the kid) it is not even close to being fully retracted.

 

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42 minutes ago, Marlins93 said:

The shadows are so much worse because when the roof is fully retracted, it still protrudes out so prominently over the 1st base side of the field. The fact that it's the westward facing direction doesn't help, either. The problem with Marlins Park is that even when playing under open air conditions, you still feel pretty enclosed. Arizona and Houston have much better designs to mitigate shadows.

 

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Honestly? Not really. Pretty much all of these newer retractable roof parks are terrible in terms of shadow issues. I haven’t been to a single one that hasn’t had problems similar to this. 

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17 minutes ago, Bucfan56 said:

 

Honestly? Not really. Pretty much all of these newer retractable roof parks are terrible in terms of shadow issues. I haven’t been to a single one that hasn’t had problems similar to this. 

All parks are going to have shade issues to some degree. Even those without retractable roofs. The shadows are less severe in Houston because its roof  retracts to the northeast end of the field. There isn't much at the west side to cast shadows. They are there no doubt, but only cast over the outfield during the late afternoon.

 

SkyDome has a shadow problem but only in dead center. Home plate faces due north and the roof also retracts in that direction. In some respects this was rather clever for a primitive retractable roof.

 

Miller Park has the same orientation as Marlins Park (southeast) and part of the roof retracts due west. Naturally this is going to create shadow problems, and they undoubtedly exist in Milwaukee, but the design shades the field much less. That's the only reason why I'd say the problem is worse in Miami.

 

Again, shadows are going to be mostly unavoidable, but certain park conditions make some worse than others.

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I guess it’s better than Joe Robbie/Dolphin/Hard Rock/Wayne Huizenga Memorial Stadium. I know that’s a low bar to clear, but there you go.

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Are we pretending non-retractable stadiums don't have shadow issues? - I guess Marlins93 did say something about all parks.

 

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I mean, we always hear how no one wants to play the Dodgers in the playoffs because of earlier start times and the shadows. 

 

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As much as I hate to be the fist shaking old man calling athletes a bunch if millionaire crybabies... It's a f-ing shadow. And you're paid better than the overwhelming majority of the world because you're one of the best in the world at what you do. 

 

If a shadow is enough of a distraction for you. Then maybe you should step aside for the next guy and find a different career path.

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According to the player, you can't pick up spin of the ball due to the shadows, and when it's coming at you at 90+ MPH and you can't tell if you need to move your face out of the way until the last second, I'd say that it's an issue.  Of course I can't validate the complaint, but I have no reason to doubt it.

 

It's easy to say "suck it up" when you're not the one facing pitches as fast as MLB pitchers and Sk8r Nick can throw.

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As evident as it was in the post before mine, shadows have even been an issue at Dodger Stadium. And that park is pushing 60.

 

Plus, by the time they get to the majors, these are guys who've played in all kinds of facilities with all different quirks. Besides, aren't the quirks of the different parks part of the appeal of baseball?

 

I thought the one size fits all stadiums amd uniforms of the 70s and uniforms were proof that baseball shouldn't be homogenized simply for convenience.

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22 hours ago, Marlins93 said:

They've lost three games in them.

Huh.  Maybe they haven't lost at home in them?

 

Yea I was watching both Marlins and Dodgers games and they both had shadow problems at home plate.  Almost like they were in the same park.

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When the Marlins game started, the batter, catcher and ump were in shadow, everything else in play was in sun.  And the shadow crept into the infield as the game went on.

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On 4/21/2019 at 8:33 PM, BringBackTheVet said:

According to the player, you can't pick up spin of the ball due to the shadows, and when it's coming at you at 90+ MPH and you can't tell if you need to move your face out of the way until the last second, I'd say that it's an issue.  Of course I can't validate the complaint, but I have no reason to doubt it.

 

It's easy to say "suck it up" when you're not the one facing pitches as fast as MLB pitchers and Sk8r Nick can throw.

If it's coming in at 90+ mph, you don't need to pick up the spin.. it's a fastball

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Target Field also has similar shadows and no retractable roof. Never been any serious complaints as far as I'm aware. I think the Nats need to do some personal reflection about why they're really losing.

 

Also, look how terrible and blobby the Marlins logo looks in the Fox Sports logo posted above. What a total mess of a rebrand.

 

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I finally attended a game with the roof open last weekend. It was beautiful! It felt like a completely different stadium. 

I get the shadows are annoying but how often do they play a day / afternoon game? Suck it up. 

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52 minutes ago, KGeeX5 said:

I finally attended a game with the roof open last weekend. It was beautiful! It felt like a completely different stadium. 

I get the shadows are annoying but how often do they play a day / afternoon game? Suck it up. 

Was it Sunday afternoon or was it Friday or Saturday evening? There's a big difference.

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18 hours ago, WavePunter said:

If it's coming in at 90+ mph, you don't need to pick up the spin.. it's a fastball

 

 

Four-seamer?  Two-seamer?  Sinker? Cutter?

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