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12 hours ago, Marlins93 said:

 

 

It's because he's clearly drunk and joking around. It's a stupid, unfunny joke, but not something I would take seriously.

He's making a joke about a serious topic that pisses people off and he's one of the people responsible for what he's making a joke about. It's not like a comedian making a joke about something they're not related to. It's not serious but it shouldn't be blown off either. It's rubbing salt in the wounds. Because I know better it doesn't offend me personally but Samson should know better.

 

It's immature, classless, and horrible... an excellent parallel to the Loria and Samson ownership reign.

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17 hours ago, Marlins93 said:

Well, I respect his candor. Try getting Jeter to be direct or forthcoming about anything! Jeter is certainly more professional and probably whom I'd rather have running big picture things among those two choices, but it remains to be seen whether or not he's effective in that role. I can say that so far the activities on the baseball operations side have been no better or perhaps even a little worse than under the Loria ownership.

Wow... something tells me you don't like Derek Jeter. 

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I don't dislike him, but I think he's been disappointing. My main beef with him is that he botched last year's rebuild and has been making similar baseball operations mistakes as what the old regime used to make. Probably only the only baseball decision that's impressed me thus far has been the Mesa brothers signing. Otherwise it's almost like the ghost of Jeff Loria is still haunting Marlins Park!

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2 hours ago, SilverBullet1929 said:

He's making a joke about a serious topic that pisses people off and he's one of the people responsible for what he's making a joke about. It's not like a comedian making a joke about something they're not related to. It's not serious but it shouldn't be blown off either. It's rubbing salt in the wounds. Because I know better it doesn't offend me personally but Samson should know better.

 

It's immature, classless, and horrible... an excellent parallel to the Loria and Samson ownership reign.

Meh. It was a dumb thing to say but it's not like he brought actual pain and suffering to anyone. He made a distasteful joke at an event for a radio show known for being irreverent and goofy.

 

I've met him multiple times and honestly not a fan because of his cockiness, but think people might be overreacting just a tad. But that's the internet these days I suppose!

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14 minutes ago, Marlins93 said:

Otherwise it's almost like the ghost of Jeff Loria is still haunting Marlins Park!

To each their own but that's a stretch to me. 

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18 minutes ago, Marlins93 said:

My main beef with him is that he botched last year's rebuild 

 

How does someone botch a rebuild in one year? 

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19 minutes ago, WSU151 said:

 

How does someone botch a rebuild in one year? 

Didn't get appropriate value back, particularly in the Yelich trade. I'm not giving up on Brinson but realistically he's probably a 3 WAR player unless he manages to explode.

 

There were salary considerations behind some of the trades but they didn't move the needle enough in terms of organizational depth. The recent Fangraphs rankings are a bit grim. 

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18 hours ago, Gothamite said:

 

Candor?

 

it’s spelled “contempt”. 

 

He was on Lebatard yesterday and he explained his position pretty well. It was a dumb joke, but there really wasn’t any true contempt there. He also mentioned something that rings pretty true, in that there’s a certain context that video (well, social media in general) is leaving out. He had been pretty

much playing the wrestling heel all night over the issue (Lebatard is a big pro wrestling fan) and it was basically just a group of close friends all around with him as well. 

 

The only thing he should feel really remorseful about is about is that jacket. Woof. 

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19 minutes ago, Bucfan56 said:

 

He was on Lebatard yesterday and he explained his position pretty well. It was a dumb joke, but there really wasn’t any true contempt there. He also mentioned something that rings pretty true, in that there’s a certain context that video (well, social media in general) is leaving out. He had been pretty

much playing the wrestling heel all night over the issue (Lebatard is a big pro wrestling fan) and it was basically just a group of close friends all around with him as well. 

 

The only thing he should feel really remorseful about is about is that jacket. Woof. 

This is exactly what I was thinking! It was an irreverent and goofy joke among a group of friends who were known for being irreverent and goofy.

 

Le Batard is the dude who got banned from Hall of Fame voting because he let Deadspin fill out his ballot. So of course Samson is going to say something crazy at his birthday. Not for one second did I think that Samson had an ounce of contempt for the people of Miami or Marlins fans. Context matters, folks!

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Making that joke does show a degree of contempt for the people of Miami.  

 

Loria walked away with over a billion dollars on a $200M investment, because he got Miami taxpayers to spend over $2B on his stadium in what is widely considered the worst stadium

deal ever. Yeah, that’s definitely worth joking about. 

 

But Jeter is somehow the bad guy here because... he’s from New York?

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34 minutes ago, Gothamite said:

Making that joke does show a degree of contempt for the people of Miami.  

 

Loria walked away with over a billion dollars on a $200M investment, because he got Miami taxpayers to spend over $2B on his stadium in what is widely considered the worst stadium

deal ever. Yeah, that’s definitely worth joking about. 

 

But Jeter is somehow the bad guy here because... he’s from New York?

That's a beef you need to take up with the city and county officials, not Loria. I despise Loria as a whole for his meddling ways, but bottom line is that the Marlins could never have privately financed that ballpark. If Loria didn't make that deal with the city and county, hello Portland Marlins.

 

And Jeter is NOT a bad guy! Only that he botched the rebuild and has made some questionable baseball decisions since taking over. He's done some great things too, like getting rid of the HR sculpture and lowering concession prices. Baseball operations wise I'm very disappointed however.

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The Marlins need to embrace that there is a certain sense of ridiculousness in their history. Jeter coming in and trying to squash all of that, no matter the intentions, is going to turn a lot of people off. So yeah maybe part

of it is that he’s a “stuffy New Yorker” (who’s from Michigan), but that’s because part of Florida’s culture is to reject that stuffy northeastern mentality. That’s why you see so many transplants from that area.

 

I’m not saying that cigar smoking Jack Mackeon and Marlins Man were these great bastillions of prideful showmanship, but just dumping them off into the ocean the way they did was pretty off-putting. Like it or not, that’s where the club came from. You can’t just reject that completely. You have to find a way to interweave the future with some of those bumps and bruises from the past. Not EVERY team has to be so buttoned up like the Yankees. 

 

I think Jeter is making some progress when it comes to embracing Miami (which if we’re really being honest, NOBODY has really allowed them to do so since the beginning. That’s one of their biggest issues). I just don’t know if anyone really trusts Jeter to fulfill that yet. Why should they?

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1 minute ago, Bucfan56 said:

part of Florida’s culture is to reject that stuffy northeastern mentality. That’s why you see so many transplants from that area.

 

I would imagine the weather and better beaches have more to do with it than any "rejection" of northeastern mentality.  In fact, I think that's a little ridiculous to suggest.  People that reject the "northeastern mentality" go to the midwest or southwest or Colorado, not to another relatively busy metropolitan area.  People retire to the area (not necessarily Miami proper) or go there for other reasons.

 

1 minute ago, Bucfan56 said:

The Marlins need to embrace that there is a certain sense of ridiculousness in their history.

 

How exactly would they do this?  Not sure how this makes sense either.

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6 minutes ago, Bucfan56 said:

 

 

I’m not saying that cigar smoking Jack Mackeon and Marlins Man were these great bastillions of prideful showmanship, but just dumping them off into the ocean the way they did was pretty off-putting. 

 

This remark is fairly insulting to Jack McKeon.  Jacks a legitimate baseball man who won a World Series with the club.  People forget he also did some good work with Cincinnati and got them to a 90+ win season in 99.  The other guy you mentioned is a self absorbed clown that doesn’t actually attend Marlins games.  

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12 minutes ago, THRILLHO said:

 

This remark is fairly insulting to Jack McKeon.  Jacks a legitimate baseball man who won a World Series with the club.  People forget he also did some good work with Cincinnati and got them to a 90+ win season in 99.  The other guy you mentioned is a self absorbed clown that doesn’t actually attend Marlins games.  

 

That’s sort of what I’m trying to say. All I mean by that is the outside perspective people have on the Marlins comes with some level of eccentricity that you don’t always have. I mainly just mentioned them both in the same sentence because they were both pretty much exiled by the Jeter group. The validity of each is different, sure. But the result was the same. It’s basically them trying to poison the ENTIRE well when it wasn’t really necessary. 

 

 

Ill I’ll just put it this way. The Expos were an absolute dumpster fire for nearly their entire existence, yet people long for those Expo days. It doesn’t even matter that they were the Titanic sinking to the bottom of the Atlantic by the end. It’s the culture people miss. It was different. Kinda wacky, even. Rejecting that entirely isn’t going to sit too well with some people. 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

And if you if you really don’t think people move from the northeast down to Florida to get away from the culture (yes, the weather too. I figured that went without saying), then I don’t really know what to tell you. 

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23 minutes ago, Bucfan56 said:

I’m not saying that cigar smoking Jack Mackeon and Marlins Man were these great bastillions of prideful showmanship

 

Did you split the difference between bastion and Bastille?

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Probably. I’m at work typing this up trying to narrate it through the stream of consciousness while filing out re-order forms. It freaked out autocorrect, too. 

 

In in other words, I should probably just be working. 

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8 minutes ago, Bucfan56 said:

I mainly just mentioned them both in the same sentence because they were both pretty much exiled by the Jeter group.

 

The way McKeon, Dawson, Conine and the other ex Marlins were handled was not very graceful.  That is true

 

 Ownership didn’t actively “Do” anything to marlins man.  The guy owned some seasons ticket packages (which he never used). He chose not to renew and he sent a letter to the team offering to pay them half of the listed price.  We know this because he himself decided to make a public spectacle of it.  The team was pretty indifferent to him and you can’t blame them for telling him no to his offer to pay half the price of something 

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53 minutes ago, Bucfan56 said:

The Marlins need to embrace that there is a certain sense of ridiculousness in their history. Jeter coming in and trying to squash all of that, no matter the intentions, is going to turn a lot of people off. So yeah maybe part

of it is that he’s a “stuffy New Yorker” (who’s from Michigan), but that’s because part of Florida’s culture is to reject that stuffy northeastern mentality. That’s why you see so many transplants from that area.

 

I’m not saying that cigar smoking Jack Mackeon and Marlins Man were these great bastillions of prideful showmanship, but just dumping them off into the ocean the way they did was pretty off-putting. Like it or not, that’s where the club came from. You can’t just reject that completely. You have to find a way to interweave the future with some of those bumps and bruises from the past. Not EVERY team has to be so buttoned up like the Yankees. 

 

I think Jeter is making some progress when it comes to embracing Miami (which if we’re really being honest, NOBODY has really allowed them to do so since the beginning. That’s one of their biggest issues). I just don’t know if anyone really trusts Jeter to fulfill that yet. Why should they?

 

To the contrary, I don't think Jeter comes off as stuffy. He and Bowers (another person not from South Florida) seem a little too desperate and patronizing in the way they market to the Latin community. Loria and Samson tried to emphasize the 305 marketing gimmicks but it didn't really get them anywhere.

 

Having a DJ shouting from LF or playing more Latin music isn't going to get people to come out to the park if the team isn't good or if you trade JT Realmuto. Samson basically acknowledged this after he already tried and failed. 

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5 hours ago, Marlins93 said:

Didn't get appropriate value back, particularly in the Yelich trade. I'm not giving up on Brinson but realistically he's probably a 3 WAR player unless he manages to explode.

 

There were salary considerations behind some of the trades but they didn't move the needle enough in terms of organizational depth. The recent Fangraphs rankings are a bit grim. 

 

Jeter wasn't going to get anywhere the appropriate value for Yelich and likely Realmuto. The Marlins have zero leverage in those trades. Better to get anything then letting them walk for nothing. 

 

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