Gothamite Posted July 3, 2019 Author Share Posted July 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Quillz said: Why is the Bay Area market different from the other markets? What about something like Dallas-Fort Worth? Could MLB add a National League team to that area? The Bay Area is different because the Giants asked for exclusive rights to San Jose, as part of a contemplated move. Those rights carried over to new ownership, even though they built in San Francisco. To my knowledge, every other team has exclusive market rights. 2 Quote The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDAWG Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 2 hours ago, Quillz said: Why is the Bay Area market different from the other markets? What about something like Dallas-Fort Worth? Could MLB add a National League team to that area? The Texas Rangers have the DFW market locked down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopard88 Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 12 hours ago, Quillz said: To me, the biggest offender is the NFL. The NFL has seemingly erased all existence of the pre-Super Bowl era, to the point they only really measure their franchises now by the number of Super Bowls they've won. This makes people think of the Browns as hapless and horrible, because so few people realize they were very good pre-Super Bowl. Both San Diego and Buffalo won championships during their AFL years, but the NFL again seems to pretend a merger never happened. I'll second this. The NFL is getting ready to celebrate its 100th season, but it acts in many ways as if championships won before 1966 don't count. 10 Quote Most Liked Content of the Day -- February 15, 2017, August 21, 2017, August 22, 2017 ///// Proud Winner of the CCSLC Post of the Day Award -- April 8, 2008 Originator of the Upside Down Sarcasm Smilie -- November 1, 2005 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted July 3, 2019 Author Share Posted July 3, 2019 13 hours ago, Quillz said: To me, the biggest offender is the NFL. The NFL has seemingly erased all existence of the pre-Super Bowl era, to the point they only really measure their franchises now by the number of Super Bowls they've won. This makes people think of the Browns as hapless and horrible, because so few people realize they were very good pre-Super Bowl. Both San Diego and Buffalo won championships during their AFL years, but the NFL again seems to pretend a merger never happened. I agree that the NFL is completely myopic when it comes to the pre-Super Bowl era. They should give the 1960 championship every bit the weight they give the 1970 championship, even if the title game itself changed names in between. But San Diego and Buffalo both won championships of a minor league. Which is impressive, to be sure, but not quite on the same level. The AFL championship alone was never equivalent to a world championship. Quote The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferdinand Cesarano Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 38 minutes ago, Gothamite said: But San Diego and Buffalo both won championships of a minor league. Which is impressive, to be sure, but not quite on the same level. The AFL championship alone was never equivalent to a world championship. What that establishes that the AFL was not a minor league is the fact that the NFL recognises all AFL stats as equivalent to its own. A glimpse at any list of NFL records finds AFL events on the list with no special marking. For example, in the list for most points scored in a game by an individual player, amongst the 13 players tied for fourth with 30 points are three who did it in AFL games. So there could conceivably be an "NFL record" that was set in an AFL game. The NFL also gives a kind of recognition to AFL championships: it considers them equivalent to AFC conference championships. Likewise, it recognises its own pre-1966 league championships as equivalent to NFC conference championships. This stands in contrast to the AAFC. The NFL accepted only three teams from that league, one of which folded after a single season in the NFL; whereas it accepted the entire AFL. The NFL does not recognise AAFC stats as it does AFL stats, nor does it give any level of acknowledgment to the four AAFC championships won by the Browns. Thus the AAFC counts as a minor league, while the AFL, which is fully integrated into the history of the NFL, does not. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted July 3, 2019 Author Share Posted July 3, 2019 11 minutes ago, Ferdinand Cesarano said: The NFL also gives a kind of recognition to AFL championships: it considers them equivalent to AFC conference championships. Which is appropriate, since the AFL was not the equivalent of the NFL. It was a minor league that was able to leverage its growth and strength into joining the major leagues. 11 minutes ago, Ferdinand Cesarano said: Likewise, it recognises its own pre-1966 league championships as equivalent to NFC conference championships. Which is offensive to anyone who actually cares about history. 2 Quote The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceCap Posted July 3, 2019 Share Posted July 3, 2019 1 hour ago, Gothamite said: Which is appropriate, since the AFL was not the equivalent of the NFL. It was a minor league that was able to leverage its growth and strength into joining the major leagues. A minor league that went 2-2 against the NFL in their shared championship game? 8 Quote PotD 26/2/12 1/7/15 2020 BASS Spin the Wheel, Make the Deal Regular Season Champion 2021 BASS NFL Pick'em Regular Season Champion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted July 3, 2019 Author Share Posted July 3, 2019 They started out as a minor league, then leveraged their strength into eventually competing on the NFL’s level. But yeah, the 1960 AFL was definitely a minor league. 2 Quote The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
colortv Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 LeBron is at summer league wearing an "LA" logo Lakers colored hat with a "LeBronLand" logo(aka Disneyland logo). Guess where Disneyland is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 Yes, that's precisely what this tedious CCSLC hobbyhorse needed, LeBron James wearing a shirt about himself 1 Quote ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillz Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 9 hours ago, colortv said: LeBron is at summer league wearing an "LA" logo Lakers colored hat with a "LeBronLand" logo(aka Disneyland logo). Guess where Disneyland is? Tokyo 6 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Red Wolf Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 9 hours ago, the admiral said: Yes, that's precisely what this tedious CCSLC hobbyhorse needed, LeBron James wearing a shirt about himself I'm sorry, but if anybody that can shed light on the intricacies of Southern California geography, it's a basketball player from Northeastern Ohio. Please take your sarcasm elsewhere. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digby Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 3 hours ago, Quillz said: Tokyo I thought it was Paris 3 Quote Fan Style ShirtsShowcasing fan-made sports apparel by artists and designers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sec19Row53 Posted July 6, 2019 Share Posted July 6, 2019 On 7/2/2019 at 7:41 PM, Quillz said: I agree with this in that history always belongs to the franchise/club/team and NOT the city. This is why I have a big problem with agreements where Oklahoma City can claim they won the 1979 championship, but cannot claim the Sonics identity. It's messy and we all know it's wrong. Simply put, the Thunder won the 1979 NBA Finals, with a note they were based in Seattle under a different name at the time. Simple and honest. I agree with most of this, but semantics would have me say the Oklahoma City franchise won the 1979 NBA Championship. The Thunder did not win it. 4 Quote It's where I sit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still MIGHTY Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 Yup. LeBron’s ugly custom hat puts a definitive stamp on this discussion. You got me. Everybody pack up and go home. 2 Quote | ANA | LAA | LAR | LAL | ASU | CSULB | USMNT | USWNT | LAFC | OCSC | MAN UTD | Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiddySicks Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 On 7/6/2019 at 3:06 AM, Quillz said: Tokyo Paris, duh. 1 Quote On 11/19/2012 at 7:23 PM, oldschoolvikings said: She’s still half convinced “Chris Creamer” is a porn site.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDAWG Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 So any updates on the Angels pursuit of a new stadium? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d11king Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 On 7/8/2019 at 8:31 PM, GDAWG said: So any updates on the Angels pursuit of a new stadium? Bro I came in here like damn the Angels opted out? Why they don’t talk about it when I watch the games (I live in LA) & I come here I see the XFL, NFL, NBA, CFB and X-Games being mentioned.. I hit that back button like where tf am I lmao Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmic Posted July 21, 2019 Share Posted July 21, 2019 22 hours ago, d11king said: Bro I came in here like damn the Angels opted out? Why they don’t talk about it when I watch the games (I live in LA) & I come here I see the XFL, NFL, NBA, CFB and X-Games being mentioned.. I hit that back button like where tf am I lmao Vince Russo, is that you? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GDAWG Posted July 22, 2019 Share Posted July 22, 2019 3 hours ago, Cosmic said: Vince Russo, is that you? It would not be him because he did not say "bro" at all. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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