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Angels tell Anaheim they're opting out of their lease on Angel Stadium

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Both true.  Not every stadium can provide the bones to support a continuing series of renovations. But Angel Stadium absolutely can. 

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1 hour ago, SFGiants58 said:


Hey, it’s better than demanding a new stadium all the time. Heck, I’m pretty sure this is how most clubs in Europe handle their stadium situations. They’ll work with the old building as long as you can, getting into a Theseus’ Ship situation after about fifty years of doing this.

https://www.ballparkratings.com/park/los-angeles-angels-of-anaheim/angel-stadium-of-anaheim/   

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Arrowhead Stadium and Kauffman Stadium are still among the best stadiums in the league despite also being some of the oldest. Renovate, Don't Annihilate is the best path. 

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16 minutes ago, Red Comet said:

Arrowhead Stadium and Kauffman Stadium are still among the best stadiums in the league despite also being some of the oldest. Renovate, Don't Annihilate is the best path. 

 

I agree. Their only downfall is their location in the middle of a giant parking lot when KC has such a vastly improved urban core. That wouldn't be enough to raze Kaufmann -- it's a gem of a stadium -- but it will always be battling that debate over urban density. 

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22 minutes ago, gosioux76 said:

 

I agree. Their only downfall is their location in the middle of a giant parking lot when KC has such a vastly improved urban core. That wouldn't be enough to raze Kaufmann -- it's a gem of a stadium -- but it will always be battling that debate over urban density. 

 

Thing is, right now, there isn't mass transit that would allow a downtown stadium to be functional aside from a 2 mile streetcar and a bus system. There's limited parking for downtown as well so a downtown stadium would be a disaster. Kansas City has a lot of highways so a stadium with a large parking lot is what makes sense right now. Same with Orange County vis a vis the Angels Stadium.

 

Lease runs out in 2031 for both Kauffman and Arrowhead. They are talking about expanding the streetcar to Westport (a bar district that's 5 miles or so south from Union Station where the southern terminus is for the streetcar) plus they're still building capacity for parking. John Sherman has been pressing for a downtown stadium so maybe the infrastructure will be there by the time the lease is up. I don't think Arrowhead would be torn down, though. The Chiefs (and the people running the Truman Sports Complex) would probably turn the footprint that was Kauffman into a spot reserved for tailgaters only. Maybe they keep the fountains for those early games in the season. At that point, the question would be if 22 co-owners of the Royals and John Sherman are going to pay for this stadium themselves and if not, whether there is the political will among the people to approve of taxpayer funding for a stadium.

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The Royals can move downtown, and I'd be sad to see Kauffman go (future home: Hallmark Park?), but there's no reason for the Chiefs to leave Arrowhead and its ocean of parking. It barely gets used, just let it sit there and give people from all over the Plains a place to toss beanbags and eat gloppy deli food, it's fine, it's whatever.

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And here's the Ducks plans for the Honda Center land that was mentioned in the Angels article. Called ocV!BE... which is I guess their play on LA Live, but not a great name.

 

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A sustainable community emphasizing walkability, health and wellness, and lifestyle amenities

30,000 capacity of live entertainment, including a new 6,000-capacity concert venue

30 acres of public open space including three unique plazas and 20 acres of park

A 5-acre, riverfront park with the ability to host seasonal outdoor concerts and events

30+ restaurant concepts, including a food hall with diverse offerings and multiple standalone restaurants

Uniquely themed and intimate clubs

Two hotels, consisting of 650 rooms total, thematically aligned with the energy of the district

A network of pedestrian bridges and walkways including a landmark bridge crossing Katella Avenue

825,000 square feet of office space, including a new 325,000-square-foot office tower

2,800 residential units, including a commitment of 15% affordable housing units

8,700+ parking spaces among several structures, new roads and increased capacity to enhance ingress/egress

 

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10 hours ago, the admiral said:

The Royals can move downtown, and I'd be sad to see Kauffman go (future home: Hallmark Park?), but there's no reason for the Chiefs to leave Arrowhead and its ocean of parking. It barely gets used, just let it sit there and give people from all over the Plains a place to toss beanbags and eat gloppy deli food, it's fine, it's whatever.

 

Hey, that's fine by me. Not everyone has to be the avatar of high culture. Gloppy deli food OTOH? Them's fightin' words. 

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Then fight me. I can't stand even looking at mayonnaise-based "salads." Why do they exist? Disgusting!

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It's our culture and potato salad is great IMO. 

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On 6/24/2020 at 10:54 AM, Red Comet said:

Arrowhead Stadium and Kauffman Stadium are still among the best stadiums in the league despite also being some of the oldest. Renovate, Don't Annihilate is the best path. 

I agree but for the majority of the stadiums being replaced in baseball were multi-purpose stadiums or just stadiums that reached the end of their road due to improper care like Comiskey Park. The last two cases of new ballparks in ATL and Dallas were forced as well as the Mercedes Benz stadium.

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