DG_ThenNowForever Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 58 minutes ago, JTernup said: If your whole argument in support of sleeves is that it was worth it to boost merchandise sales then you have no reasonable reason to oppose Nike's program. As far as we know this has been a successful marketing campaign and even the loss of home/away/alt designations has gotten more jerseys in front of the home crowds, likely boosting sales. It is totally reasonable to think that merchandise sales are not a sufficient reason to sacrifice the league's aesthetic traditions. But you have to consistently apply that logic. By my estimation the league looks better than it did in the last few adidas years but it is worse from a consistency and tradition perspective. That's a good point, but I think the scale of the cash grabbing is different. Sleeved jerseys were a way to get fat dudes in official teamwear. It failed, but it made sense to try. City and statement jerseys are a way to build in perpetual uniform turnover and Pokemon-ize NBA merchandise. It's not just enough to have a home or road jersey anymore; you can now ask for the newest alternate jersey each year for Christmas. It's cynical, but I get it. However, as we've learned, there aren't enough creative ideas to support 2-3 new jerseys per team each season. That's 600 (at least) new jersey designs over a decade, and likely more. That's 60 new jerseys per team over a decade. How can you reasonably maintain any kind of branding integrity, or even day-to-day legibility with that kind of turnover? Especially when, if you ask the fans, they really just want Lakers in gold at home, purple on the road and white on Sunday with none of the bull :censored:. I would imagine there's a reasonable middle ground between so much turnover and preserving 1997 uniform design in amber. 1 hour ago, ShutUpLutz! said: and the drunken doodoobags jumping off the tops of SUV's/vans/RV's onto tables because, oh yeah, they are drunken drug abusing doodoobags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaydre1019 Posted December 4, 2019 Share Posted December 4, 2019 1 hour ago, DG_Now said: That's a good point, but I think the scale of the cash grabbing is different. Sleeved jerseys were a way to get fat dudes in official teamwear. It failed, but it made sense to try. City and statement jerseys are a way to build in perpetual uniform turnover and Pokemon-ize NBA merchandise. It's not just enough to have a home or road jersey anymore; you can now ask for the newest alternate jersey each year for Christmas. It's cynical, but I get it. However, as we've learned, there aren't enough creative ideas to support 2-3 new jerseys per team each season. That's 600 (at least) new jersey designs over a decade, and likely more. That's 60 new jerseys per team over a decade. How can you reasonably maintain any kind of branding integrity, or even day-to-day legibility with that kind of turnover? Especially when, if you ask the fans, they really just want Lakers in gold at home, purple on the road and white on Sunday with none of the bull :censored:. I would imagine there's a reasonable middle ground between so much turnover and preserving 1997 uniform design in amber. I mean...at this point Soccer clubs have 2/3 completely new designs per year. In comparison 1 new alternate per team every year doesn't seem that crazy. Honestly the soccer model might be the reason Nike found yearly city jerseys suitable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digby Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 I think making the sleeve jerseys the in-game jerseys actually backfired in terms of selling them to fans. Just make replica soccer jersey type shirts, but in the usual team styles, and I bet they would have sold better to the no-tank-top crowd. In fact I feel like fanatics or Nike even does that now, just for women’s cuts? i realize there’s a premium to be charged for the on-court product... but medium margins on a decent item are better than big margins on a laughingstock. And regular designs probably would have helped more than the garbage dumb ugly designs they were mostly cranking out on the sleeve template. (I’m also skeptical that tank tops don’t sell well because people don’t want to wear them. I see people who shouldn’t wear jerseys wearing them anyway more than I’d like, but that might just be living amongst Boston bro’s.) Fan Style ShirtsShowcasing fan-made sports apparel by artists and designers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
truepg Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Some beautiful matchups last night with the home team wearing home unis and the away team wearing away unis, respectively. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Igor Coelho Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 I wanna share with you guys these images that i've made for my Twitter profile. Was a hard work but a lot a fun make them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadojoker Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 These are really nice @Igor Coelho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DrAwesomeberry Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 That graphic really lays out how unnecessary all these alts are. You could very easily get every team down to 3 jerseys without losing anything of value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bowld Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 If anything the graphic shows just how many awful uniforms are in the NBA right now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satomiblood Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 40 minutes ago, DrAwesomeberry said: That graphic really lays out how unnecessary all these alts are. You could very easily get every team down to 3 jerseys without losing anything of value. I'd say 4 is reasonable: primary home, primary away, alternate, and throwback. That's the way it's been for the past 20 or so years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pengin. Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 Kings, Heat, Blazers, and Jazz are the few teams that actually have good jerseys across the board Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satomiblood Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 1 minute ago, Pengin. said: Kings, Heat, Blazers, and Jazz are the few teams that actually have good jerseys across the board Sixers and Nuggets too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haz_Matt Posted December 5, 2019 Share Posted December 5, 2019 3 hours ago, Satomiblood said: Sixers and Nuggets too. Except for the Nuggets using black for their city jersey Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Satomiblood Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 2 hours ago, Haz_Matt said: Except for the Nuggets using black for their city jersey Yeah, I’ll give you that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pengin. Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 5 hours ago, Satomiblood said: Sixers and Nuggets too. I'm not a fan of the Sixer's classic. And I am definitely not a fan of the Nuggets' redesign. Their city jersey, despite the use of black, is their best jersey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_DietDrPepper_ Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 8 hours ago, Pengin. said: Kings, Heat, Blazers, and Jazz are the few teams that actually have good jerseys across the board I think your missing the grizzlies, no outrageous city, a good throwback, they seem like the only team with the guts to stand against Nike’s ridiculousness. Follow the NFA, and My Baseball League here: https://ahsports.boardhost.com/index.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Haz_Matt Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 40 minutes ago, BellaSpurs said: I think your missing the grizzlies, no outrageous city, a good throwback, they seem like the only team with the guts to stand against Nike’s ridiculousness. The Jazz and their Statement and City jerseys would like a word with you Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pelicanfan Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 The nets have a pretty sweet lineup of jerseys too. Two “professional” jerseys in the white and black ones with regular fonts. And two “urban” jerseys with the grey graffiti jersey and white coogi jersey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
_DietDrPepper_ Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 47 minutes ago, Haz_Matt said: The Jazz and their Statement and City jerseys would like a word with you The Jazz city uniform while not bad is part of Nike’s ridiculousness. Gradient, and Non-team colors, I hated it when it first came out, I still wish it would be replaced with the green uniform they had when they first rebranded. The gold uniform also needs a wordmark and not just the J-note logo. Utah could have the leagues best set but these two alts severely hinder it. Follow the NFA, and My Baseball League here: https://ahsports.boardhost.com/index.php Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceCap Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 PotD 26/2/12 1/7/15 2020 BASS Spin the Wheel, Make the Deal Regular Season Champion 2021 BASS NFL Pick'em Regular Season Champion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont care Posted December 6, 2019 Share Posted December 6, 2019 1 hour ago, Ice_Cap said: Agreed except I don’t like the nuggets, but like the pelicans, lakers, and cavs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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