WSU151 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 2 hours ago, guest23 said: Maybe mlb baseball in the DFW metro is a poorly thought out and bad business proposition if it can't work without AC and a roof? How's MLB doing in Houston these days? Smart is believing half of what you hear. Genius is knowing which half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest23 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 1 hour ago, WSU151 said: How's MLB doing in Houston these days? I think the team is doing fairly well on the field after a long stretch of futility, derelict ownership resulting in being repossessed by mlb, and moving to the AL. Winning the WS and making it deep into the playoffs would be a strong indicator. Not sure what that has to do with replacing a less than 30 year old stadium in the DFW metro though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveindc Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 6 hours ago, kroywen said: Historic?! Bill Clinton was President, Kurt Cobain died, and OJ was arrested the year this place opened. Let's save that adjective for things that pre-date Zubaz shorts, please? "Historic" has to do with significance, rather than age. The 2001 Mariners' season was historic. Max Scherzer's 20 strikeout game in 2016 was historic. I still don't think I would describe Globe Life as historic though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSU151 Posted January 2, 2019 Share Posted January 2, 2019 1 hour ago, guest23 said: I think the team is doing fairly well on the field after a long stretch of futility, derelict ownership resulting in being repossessed by mlb, and moving to the AL. Winning the WS and making it deep into the playoffs would be a strong indicator. Not sure what that has to do with replacing a less than 30 year old stadium in the DFW metro though. I'm not sure what your original point was if it's not comparable to Houston. Domed stadiums in Texas aren't ruining the league. The Rangers playing outside wasn't a "bad business proposition". And when did MLB "repossess" the Astros? Smart is believing half of what you hear. Genius is knowing which half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bill0813 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 2 hours ago, daveindc said: "Historic" has to do with significance, rather than age. The 2001 Mariners' season was historic. Max Scherzer's 20 strikeout game in 2016 was historic. I still don't think I would describe Globe Life as historic though. Camden Yards is historic; it was the first of the retro ballparks built. Atlanta is, and Texas will be, in their second stadium, all built after Camden Yards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Camden Yards is another one that feels like it has to be around forever at this point, if only as a Ship of Theseus like Wrigley Field or Dodger Stadium where it gets replaced bit by bit but never vacated. It is without exaggeration a modern classic. Where would they even go from here? ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old School Fool Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 I have two thoughts on this. 1. The Rangers are getting a new stadium?! 2. Why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Well, as you know, Texas has strong views on thoughtful long-term urban planning and the judicious use of limited resources: they're against it! ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ben in LA Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Sure glad the Dodgers will be at the ravine for awhile...while the Angels might become homeless soon. Then again, The Big A is over 50 years old. Oh, and I like the patch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest23 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 21 hours ago, WSU151 said: I'm not sure what your original point was if it's not comparable to Houston. Domed stadiums in Texas aren't ruining the league. The Rangers playing outside wasn't a "bad business proposition". And when did MLB "repossess" the Astros? Point being is that the primary rationale given to the public was that the rangers could not compete without a publicly subsidized air conditioned indoor stadium which is why they were forced to move out of a perfectly functional and highly regarded facility after a quarter century of use. My original question being related to the roof and HVAC being framed as a necessity by ownership and the press for the team to be viable going forward, hence bad business if you require taxpayer subsidies to stay in business or have people attend your games because you chose a lousy weather location. The repo comment was actually confusion on my part with the rangers who were auctioned off in bankruptcy. The astros just had a messy sale with the new owner suing the old owner over the tv deal. Either way a roof or ac won't change the fortunes of the rangers one way or another. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NYUNDERDOGS Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 Oh yeah, its time to build a new stadium from taxes money just to make a part-time solution for your dropping attendance problems, Nice. Drive for five..... Shots to my head With the Seats burning at Citi ahead Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSU151 Posted January 3, 2019 Share Posted January 3, 2019 1 hour ago, guest23 said: Point being is that the primary rationale given to the public was that the rangers could not compete without a publicly subsidized air conditioned indoor stadium which is why they were forced to move out of a perfectly functional and highly regarded facility after a quarter century of use. My original question being related to the roof and HVAC being framed as a necessity by ownership and the press for the team to be viable going forward, hence bad business if you require taxpayer subsidies to stay in business or have people attend your games because you chose a lousy weather location. The repo comment was actually confusion on my part with the rangers who were auctioned off in bankruptcy. The astros just had a messy sale with the new owner suing the old owner over the tv deal. Either way a roof or ac won't change the fortunes of the rangers one way or another. So Houston was a bad business decision by MLB? Public subsidies were used for Minute Maid Park. Was Arizona a bad business decision by MLB? Was Atlanta a bad business decision for the NFL considering all the public subsidies that built the Georgia Dome, renovated it, then built Mercedes Benz Stadium? Keep in mind that commissioners of the four leagues think receiving public financing for stadiums is great for business. Owners become wealthier that way. Smart is believing half of what you hear. Genius is knowing which half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guest23 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 2 hours ago, WSU151 said: So Houston was a bad business decision by MLB? Public subsidies were used for Minute Maid Park. Was Arizona a bad business decision by MLB? Was Atlanta a bad business decision for the NFL considering all the public subsidies that built the Georgia Dome, renovated it, then built Mercedes Benz Stadium? Keep in mind that commissioners of the four leagues think receiving public financing for stadiums is great for business. Owners become wealthier that way. If your business model is predicated on massive taxpayer subsidies to build and operate your place of business it's not a strong business model. It's a grift based on socialized infrastructure build-out and operational subsidies. Socialized costs and privatized revenue and profits is not market-based capitalism aka good business. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WSU151 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 2 hours ago, guest23 said: If your business model is predicated on massive taxpayer subsidies to build and operate your place of business it's not a strong business model. It's a grift based on socialized infrastructure build-out and operational subsidies. Socialized costs and privatized revenue and profits is not market-based capitalism aka good business. Some of the biggest companies in America receive massive taxpayer subsidies...GM, GE, Boeing, Apple, Dell, nearly every single bank after the crisis, Amazon, et al. The strength of the business model is pretty much a subjective take. Good luck telling Jeff Bezos his business model is not strong. Smart is believing half of what you hear. Genius is knowing which half. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiddySicks Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 The patch is basically exactly the same as the entire Rangers organization and their history. As meh as it possibly gets. Did anything even remotely noteworthy happen at that park? Why does it deserve a “Farewell” patch? This is like a Wal Mart closing down because they’re building a Super Wal Mart in the next shopping center over. People might notice at first and say hmm. But ultimately, nobody gives a It’s another lifeless warehouse where you can spend way more of your money than you probably should. On 11/19/2012 at 7:23 PM, oldschoolvikings said: She’s still half convinced “Chris Creamer” is a porn site.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perfect Zero Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 6 hours ago, Bucfan56 said: The patch is basically exactly the same as the entire Rangers organization and their history. As meh as it possibly gets. Did anything even remotely noteworthy happen at that park? Why does it deserve a “Farewell” patch? The Ballpark in Arlington was home to the 1995 MLB All-Star Game, the 2010 and 2011 World Series, and was the site of the first regular season MLB Interleague game between the Rangers and the San Francisco Giants. As somebody who has had season tickets for a little over a decade, I've spent a good chunk of my life attending games there. It's a great park, and I think many Rangers fans are sad to see it go. Thus, it gets a farewell patch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Old School Fool Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 6 hours ago, Bucfan56 said: The patch is basically exactly the same as the entire Rangers organization and their history. As meh as it possibly gets. Did anything even remotely noteworthy happen at that park? Why does it deserve a “Farewell” patch? This is like a Wal Mart closing down because they’re building a Super Wal Mart in the next shopping center over. People might notice at first and say hmm. But ultimately, nobody gives a It’s another lifeless warehouse where you can spend way more of your money than you probably should. You want to talk lifeless warehouse? Take a look at Tropicana Field. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AstroCree Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 Meanwhile, the Rays and Athletics are trying to figure out if they can physically pick up the stadium and move it to their location. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Quillz Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 8 hours ago, Bucfan56 said: Did anything even remotely noteworthy happen at that park? The 2011 World Series was one of the more exciting ones in recent memory. Although the most notable game (6) didn't happen there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFGiants58 Posted January 4, 2019 Share Posted January 4, 2019 9 hours ago, Bucfan56 said: Did anything even remotely noteworthy happen at that park? We're Giants fans. We should know exactly what noteworthy event happened there: Unfortunately for the Rangers, they were on the losing end of it. MLB: Project 32 (Complete), MLB: The Defunct Saga (Complete) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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