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59 minutes ago, Silent Wind of Doom said:

I've always found their rebellious nature planted firmly in their own sovereignty than the part they had in the Confederacy

 

That’s hard to square with the historical record, considering how many times they themselves referred to “Texas and her sister slave-holding States” when deciding to leave the USA and set up a white-supremacy country.  They didn’t believe in their own sovereignty back then, they believed in making themselves subordinate to the Confederacy. 

 

Texas considered itself very much a part of the South, sister to Alabama, Mississippi, and the rest.  Who are we to disagree?

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27 minutes ago, Gothamite said:

 

That’s hard to square with the historical record, considering how many times they themselves referred to “Texas and her sister slave-holding States” when deciding to leave the USA and set up a white-supremacy country.  They didn’t believe in their own sovereignty back then, they believed in making themselves subordinate to the Confederacy. 

 

Texas considered itself very much a part of the South, sister to Alabama, Mississippi, and the rest.  Who are we to disagree?

Well Texas and Texans are much different today than it was 150 years ago. Now it views itself much more independent than other states, mainly due to its history from Of being independent from 1836-1845 after rebelling against Mexico.

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5 minutes ago, dont care said:

Well Texas and Texans are much different today than it was 150 years ago. Now it views itself much more independent than other states, mainly due to its history from Of being independent from 1836-1845 after rebelling against Mexico.


This is a bad comparison. It can’t be one way because that was 150 years ago, but it can be another because it fits your narrative despite being even longer ago.

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27 minutes ago, Gothamite said:

That’s hard to square with the historical record, considering how many times they themselves referred to “Texas and her sister slave-holding States” when deciding to leave the USA and set up a white-supremacy country.  They didn’t believe in their own sovereignty back then, they believed in making themselves subordinate to the Confederacy. 

 

Texas considered itself very much a part of the South, sister to Alabama, Mississippi, and the rest.  Who are we to disagree?

 

You're taking a quote from documents dedicating themselves to secession and the Confederacy.   You could take quotes from the founding of the Virginia Colony where they dedicated their fealty to England, but you wouldn't say that's evidence of a desire to be a colony today.   In fact, that quote references a single economic factor that linked them to the other states in the Confederacy.

 

Meanwhile, decades after the fall of the Confederacy, Texas built its State House to be a larger version of the US. Capitol, featuring the state's seal more prominently than the nation's.   Today, Texans appear to engage more in Texan exceptionalism than Southern exceptionalism.

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2 hours ago, Silent Wind of Doom said:

The South/Deep South/American Southeast I categorize by a hot, wet climate with forests and swamps and a lack of cultural and culinary effect from non-Northern/Western European cultures (German, French, Irish, British, Russian, Polish, etc) post the 15th century introduction of the idea of barbecue.

 

Maybe i'm biased because I'm from Houston but that pretty much sounds just like Texas to me.

 

Now i can get the argument that our teams should be in the west divisions because well, there arent enough teams in the west without them. Its why the Texas Rangers are in the AL West to begin with. When it comes to alignment,  I think the NBA did it the best. Should Seattle ever get a team again, I could see OKC being moved into the Southwest

 

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I thought this was a thread on MLB changes for 2020, not a thread on US History/Geography.

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3 minutes ago, cajunaggie08 said:

Maybe i'm biased because I'm from Houston but that pretty much sounds just like Texas to me.

 

Now i can get the argument that our teams should be in the west divisions because well, there arent enough teams in the west without them. Its why the Texas Rangers are in the AL West to begin with. When it comes to alignment,  I think the NBA did it the best. Should Seattle ever get a team again, I could see OKC being moved into the Southwest

 

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Hehehe.   Like I said, it's a diverse state.   Where I'm from in New York resembles the hills of Kentucky a lot more than the concrete jungle of New York City.   But overall looking at the state, it's hard to ignore the number of state icons that rope them more in the West than the South.

 

But that all came from the discussion on why Texas seems culturally more a part of the West than the Central/Eastern United States.   From an alignment standpoint, it seems better to put them with the central teams than the Pacific teams due to time zones.   That map is very interesting in that the Southwest mostly consists of teams in the Eastern geometric half of the country.   It does look like the best way of doing it.  Oklahoma being in the Northwest seems a relic of its Seattle heritage much like Atlanta being in the West because it was in Milwaukee and Arizona being in the East because it was in Chicago.

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1 hour ago, Silent Wind of Doom said:

You're taking a quote from documents dedicating themselves to secession and the Confederacy.   You could take quotes from the founding of the Virginia Colony where they dedicated their fealty to England, but you wouldn't say that's evidence of a desire to be a colony today.   In fact, that quote references a single economic factor that linked them to the other states in the Confederacy.

 

If you think slavery is just a “single economic factor”....

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In that 30 for 30 about SMU, there's a bit about how students at the SEC schools looked down on the sh-tkickers from Texas as being distinctly lesser than the genteel Southerners they saw themselves as, for whatever that's worth.

 

It's too big a state to slot into one region. I wouldn't call El Paso "the South." Too dry, too Spanish. Houston, sure.

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1 hour ago, cajunaggie08 said:

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*double-checks thread title*

 

*walks back out*

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6 hours ago, cajunaggie08 said:

There is a reason its always been tough to peg what region Texas falls into and often it can best just be viewed as being its own region. its not southern enough for the deep south. it doesnt have enough mid-plain qualities to fall into that midwest grey-area that kansas and the other plains states do. The populated parts of the state are nothing like new mexico and arizona so its not really western enough despite the "wild-west" persona being Texas' unique identifier in popular culture. 87% of Texans live east of I-35 so Texas' population is much more connected to Louisiana, Arkansas, Oklahoma, and Mexico than our western neighbors.

 

its always been a pet peeve of mine to lump Texas sports teams in western divisions just because we're west of the mississippi river. There are thousands of miles between our cities and the next closest western sports cities and we rarely have any cultural bonds that cause rivalries to naturally happen. Its why the proposed Pac-16 expansion into Texas wouldn't have worked because Texas is not a west coast state. It just happens to be the southwestern-most section of the eastern US population so it will always seem different that than the middle of that population.

 

Being from a huge state myself (California), the one thing that I always overlooked about Texas is just how big it really is. That sucker is absolutely enormous. I always thought the "We're our own region" and "Everything's bigger in Texas" moniker was just some snobbish elitism used by the same people who would always try to peg California as snobbishly elite. There's definitely some of that in both states, but in this particular case, Texas has to be considered it's own region because it's downright massive. Some argue that Texas is the west, some argue it's the south, some argue it's the Midwest. I'll argue that it's ALL of those things. 

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And that’s probably fair.   Like California, it’s too large to be pigeonholed into one single category.  (If I hear one more person bitching about how unfair it is that California has four MLS clubs or four MLB teams or four NBA teams or or or or or....)

 

Good thing for us that Alaska doesn't have enough people to be anything but homogenous. 😛

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You could conceive of Alaska as being divided among the most generous definition of the Pacific Northwest, the far northern reach of the Mountain West, and Inuit communities that are mostly left alone and a region unto themselves.

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7 hours ago, dont care said:

The Deep South does though. They aren’t viewed in the same vein as as California Oregon and Washington. But they are veiled as the south west like Arizona, New Mexico, and Oklahoma. Nothing wrong with that they just aren’t viewed as the south like Mississippi, Alabama, Georgia, Tennessee and the Carolinas 

 

Oklahoma is not the Southwest.

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43 minutes ago, Gothamite said:

And that’s probably fair.   Like California, it’s too large to be pigeonholed into one single category.  (If I hear one more person bitching about how unfair it is that California has four MLS clubs or four MLB teams or four NBA teams or or or or or....)

 

Good thing for us that Alaska doesn't have enough people to be anything but homogenous. 😛

 

Speaking of Alaska, now THAT'S a state that people just don't seem to really grasp the size of until you think about it in context. Texas and California are absolutely HUGE stretches of territory. Alaska, though? Well, I'll just put it this way...

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Sorry, sorry. Yeah, I know, baseball. I just kinda geek out over this kind of stuff 😂

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October 25-30 Brewers team store at Miller Park everything 50% off. Team store will then get remodeled and re-open November 18th.  Could that be a reveal date?

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6 minutes ago, mjd77 said:

October 25-30 Brewers team store at Miller Park everything 50% off.

 

Everything?  Even the alt caps and throwback stuff?

 

As for Alaska, that place is massive.  They have two national parks that are each bigger than the state of Maryland.  Two.  

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24 minutes ago, mjd77 said:

October 25-30 Brewers team store at Miller Park everything 50% off. Team store will then get remodeled and re-open November 18th.  Could that be a reveal date?

 Just saw that on my FB feed too from the brewers...😬

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November 18th would let them make the holiday sales with new merchandise.  Hmm. 

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1 hour ago, axiom20xx said:

 

Oklahoma is not the Southwest.

Then what is it? It’s west of the Mississippi and south of the Mason Dixon. Both ncaa football teams were in the southwestern conference and having lived there for a period there are more things that make it a southwestern state than not. 

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