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36 minutes ago, Chromatic said:

I’m well aware of how they spun it, doesn’t mean I believe it.

 

Actually, I don't believe their WHL Canucks reference spin either.

 

From how I look at it, when the Canucks first made their return to blue and green in '07, the Aquilini ownership was still in question because they were being sued by their former partners, which included now-Stars owner Tom Gaglardi. The league limited the Aquilinis to what changes they could make. That's why the Canucks' current uniforms are copy & paste. A recoloured Orca with no green, a crooked version of the classic Stick in Rink as shoulder patches, bland and weak Agency font(every other Canucks uniform had block-style) and 'VANCOUVER' in thin Agency to "dumb down" the Orca that they were forced to keep. All this on a vintage mid-70's template. Furthermore, the Canucks didn't own the rights to Johnny Canuck, which meant that they couldn't even use the logo as a primary 3rd jersey logo. Now, the club owns all the licensing rights to all the historic Vancouver hockey brands, including JC.

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4 hours ago, VancouverFan69 said:

 

The league limited the Aquilinis to what changes they could make. 

 

This simply isn't true.  The Canucks spent a significant amount of time on their 2007 jerseys and, if you compare them with the rest of the inaugural Edge jerseys, it shows.  If the league was limiting them, they would have used the Edge-ified West Coast Express prototypes that leaked a few years back...

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2 hours ago, Morgo said:

 

This simply isn't true.  The Canucks spent a significant amount of time on their 2007 jerseys and, if you compare them with the rest of the inaugural Edge jerseys, it shows.  If the league was limiting them, they would have used the Edge-ified West Coast Express prototypes that leaked a few years back...

 

If I were the owner and wanted to keep the Orca, I would have used the same template as the Orca Bay uniforms but replace the dark blue with royal blue and burgundy with green. There would be no copy-and-paste look with the arched 'VANCOUVER' and weak Agency font. 

 

Sorry, I'm not buying the significant amount of time part. There were legal and licensing issues here. 

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2 hours ago, VancouverFan69 said:

 

If I were the owner and wanted to keep the Orca, I would have used the same template as the Orca Bay uniforms but replace the dark blue with royal blue and burgundy with green. There would be no copy-and-paste look with the arched 'VANCOUVER' and weak Agency font. 

 

Sorry, I'm not buying the significant amount of time part. There were legal and licensing issues here. 

 

Every time you bring up their typography, you refer to it as “weak Agency font.” Can you describe what you mean?

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If I had my way, Canucks should go with something similar to this concept that I think brilliantly works:

 

http://forum.canucks.com/topic/382717-canucks-adidas-jersey-is-out/?page=5

 

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However, replace the shoulder patch on the green jersey with Stick-in-Rink logo.

 

Gives us a modern rendition of original uniform.  Orca is gone.  We can still use the Johnny Canuck head with V secondary logo.  We get the green alternate.  Full body Johnny Canuck gets to appear on the crest of the alternate.

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On 2/3/2019 at 8:44 PM, Point1 said:

I agree that green in the orca doesn't work. That being said, there are way too many strokes in that logo.

 

Self-promotion, but I'd like to see them simplify along these lines:

 

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That logo is a product of the late 90s/early 2000s. Cartoonish animals popping out from unusual inanimate objects was a thing back then...

 

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42 minutes ago, andrewharrington said:

 

Every time you bring up their typography, you refer to it as “weak Agency font.” Can you describe what you mean?

 

The Canucks' current font is called Agency font. For a major professional sports franchise, I consider it weak. The traditional block-style font is far more legible and gives the jerseys strength.

 

 

28 minutes ago, Wade Heidt said:

If I had my way, Canucks should go with something similar to this concept that I think brilliantly works:

 

http://forum.canucks.com/topic/382717-canucks-adidas-jersey-is-out/?page=5

 

ColinMay_JustinCox-VANset.png.a2021ab69c

 

However, replace the shoulder patch on the green jersey with Stick-in-Rink logo.

 

Gives us a modern rendition of original uniform.  Orca is gone.  We can still use the Johnny Canuck head with V secondary logo.  We get the green alternate.  Full body Johnny Canuck gets to appear on the crest of the alternate.

 

I like those. However, I would go with the traditional SiR but with the white inner border 'C'.

 

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1 hour ago, VancouverFan69 said:

 

The Canucks' current font is called Agency font. For a major professional sports franchise, I consider it weak. The traditional block-style font is far more legible and gives the jerseys strength.

 

 

 

I like those. However, I would go with the traditional SiR but with the white inner border 'C'.

 

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I know the font is called Agency. I’m wondering what about it comes across as weak to you. The architecture of the design exudes strength and rigidity to me.

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4 hours ago, VancouverFan69 said:


If I were the owner and wanted to keep the Orca, I would have used the same template as the Orca Bay uniforms but replace the dark blue with royal blue and burgundy with green.

 

Sure you would do that, but the team clearly wanted to use the classic striping with their original colours.  That configuration was already the basis for their alternate that saw action in the 07 playoffs.

 

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There would be no copy-and-paste look with the arched 'VANCOUVER' and weak Agency font. 

 

Call it copy-and-paste all you want but thought still went into it.  They didn't just decide to make a half-assed uniform because they couldn't license Johnny Canuck.  Look at how many teams adopted click-and-fill templates during the Edge rollout.  The Canucks pushed for traditional striping when it wasn't popular to do so.

 

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5 minutes ago, Morgo said:

 

Sure you would do that, but the team clearly wanted to use the classic striping with their original colours.  That configuration was already the basis for their alternate that saw action in the 07 playoffs.

 

 

Call it copy-and-paste all you want but thought still went into it.  They didn't just decide to make a half-assed uniform because they couldn't license Johnny Canuck.  Look at how many teams adopted click-and-fill templates during the Edge rollout.  The Canucks pushed for traditional striping when it wasn't popular to do so. 

 

 

If someone can verify this I'll believe it.  Until then I'm going to assume it's speculation derived from your intense hatred of the Orca ;) .

 

 

For an accomplished artist like yourself, it puzzles me why you honestly think that "thought still went into it". Let's put it this way...if I wanted to use the Skate, which I would use a million times over the Orca, and recoloured it in blue, green and silver, I wouldn't use the vintage mid-70's template. I would use updated horizontal striping that complemented the Skate. 

 

Matter of fact, a local sports retailer back in '07 personally told me that the NHL would not let the Canucks ditch the Orca...for obvious reasons.😉

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There's a lot of lack of critical thinking going on here, and a lot of conflating of "what I prefer to think happened to confirm my biases" with "what really actually happened."

 

There are prototypes of the Edge 1.0 Canucks that have been posted here - actual, physical prototype jerseys - that took the 1998-2007 Canucks look and shoehorned it into an Edge template. This is actual click-and-fill stuff. This may sound weird if you weren't around here during the Edge transition, but teams had to actually put their feet down to convince Reebok to implement things like straight lines on sleeve stripes, or any stripes on the hem at all, for that matter. The Canucks' 2007 revamp was not lazy click-and-fill - see teams like the Flyers, Penguins, Lightning, even the Canadiens to an extent for examples of that. It was a legitimate effort to refresh the brand. I don't find it to be a particularly good one, but that is my opinion, and not some allusion to a grand edict from the league to limit design choices.

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On 2/4/2019 at 2:31 AM, Bayne said:

Fixed

 

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Send this picture to Aquilini. NOW.

 

I've done a script-less orca concept before but actually seeing it photographed (albeit shopped) really brings out how much better the jerseys would be without the wordmark.

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1 hour ago, Kevin W. said:

Send this picture to Aquilini. NOW.

 

Along with these two.

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Whatever the Canucks do, I REALLY hope they don't revert to the old "Stick in Rink" logo as the primary. I know a lot of people love it, but I'll absolutely never understand why. It's one of my least favorite logos of all time and it's hard to find a logo that's lamer in execution than that one IMO. It's a stick over a "rink" that makes a C, but every single part of that explanation feels like a huge stretch. And it just comes across as such a dated product of 1970s fashion that it might as well be a canary yellow refrigerator with orange linoleum. I'd tolerate it as a shoulder logo, if they absolutely insisted, but it's a miserably weak primary logo. Especially when they have that Johnny Canuck logo, which is one of my absolute favorite logos of all time.

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7 hours ago, Bucfan56 said:

Whatever the Canucks do, I REALLY hope they don't revert to the old "Stick in Rink" logo as the primary. I know a lot of people love it, but I'll absolutely never understand why. It's one of my least favorite logos of all time and it's hard to find a logo that's lamer in execution than that one IMO. It's a stick over a "rink" that makes a C, but every single part of that explanation feels like a huge stretch. And it just comes across as such a dated product of 1970s fashion that it might as well be a canary yellow refrigerator with orange linoleum. I'd tolerate it as a shoulder logo, if they absolutely insisted, but it's a miserably weak primary logo. Especially when they have that Johnny Canuck logo, which is one of my absolute favorite logos of all time.

 

I agree. The original version on the blue jersey actually bore some resemblance to a rink because it was white, but it’s kinda underwhelmingly composed beyond that. The stick is just kind of laying there, proportionally a bit small and thin. There’s so much nothing in the logo that you keep looking for the something, but it’s just not there. The “C” in the original mark is one of the biggest stretches of all time. If someone revealed that logo today and tried to claim it was a C, they’d get laughed out of the industry. The new one tries to address the issues, but I don’t think it works as well as it could. It’s not white, and while the stick has better presence, it’s angled so slightly that it almost looks accidental. The pile of outlines are unnecessary, and the C still leaves something to be desired, even though it’s more defined than the original.

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List of things I want from Alt Uniforms

Islanders: Actually put effort into a uniform and not just reuse the Stadium Series uniform and put a different logo on it

Panthers: Maybe a Blue alt with a 90° Stripe

Lightning: I got a weird idea of a silver jersey

Canucks: Another bad idea, make a V-neck jersey with modern colors

 

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Tampa Bay Lightning Disrupt The Night With New Third Uniforms

February 8, 2019 - 02:51 AM

Well, this one’s certainly different. Now officially official, the Tampa Bay Lightning this evening unveiled their new alternate/third uniform three months after the jersey leaked back in November. The team promptly wore their new Adidas alternate uniform in tonight’s home […]

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This is a great simile for the late 2010s.  An over-corporatized facsimile of a bad, but earnest trend from the 90s, made unnecessarily more sinister because of "modern times."

 

A long, wet fart would be a more original composition.

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I love the idea of a black home jersey for the Lighting, and I like the idea of silver as their “light” color, but I neeeeed some blue.

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