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1 minute ago, DG_Now said:

 

I'm not convinced Major League Baseball will matter very much in 2030.

 

True. 

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1 hour ago, Wings said:

By 2030 or 2035 we could have other markets in play besides Portland, Raleigh & Montreal. Possibly Nashville, Charlotte, Sacramento & San Antonio, depending on their growth plus who would be willing to build a ballpark. 

 

If housing prices continue to trend in the direction they are right now? Probably not.

 

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One of the strangest feelings I got while reading Stadium for Rent and the various Tampa Bay Area news articles about that market (and Miami/Orlando as well) was how driven these markets were to land a baseball team. It gets downright “manifest destiny” in how much these civic leaders and businessmen promoted these ventures. They would use the word “need” a lot to describe the market, which I found downright absurd. I’d like to think Tropicana Field and the Alamodome killed a lot of enthusiasm for building stadia on speculation and going on big quests to pursue relocated/expansion teams.

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1 hour ago, SFGiants58 said:

I’d like to think Tropicana Field and the Alamodome killed a lot of enthusiasm for building stadia on speculation and going on big quests to pursue relocated/expansion teams.

Whatever those two started, Le Centre Videotron is finishing.

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4 hours ago, DG_Now said:

I'm not convinced Major League Baseball will matter very much in 2030.

 

Meh, I find this argument less than convincing.   Baseball continues to rake in cash, and if it’s not the favorite sport of millennials it is frequently cited as the second.  

 

Plus watch what happens to football when they’re forced to face the consequences of the modern game.  Already insurers are dropping them. Non-contact sports will be ripe for a Renaissance. 

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58 minutes ago, Gothamite said:

 

Meh, I find this argument less than convincing.   Baseball continues to rake in cash, and if it’s not the favorite sport of millennials it is frequently cited as the second.  

  

Plus watch what happens to football when they’re forced to face the consequences of the modern game.  Already insurers are dropping them. Non-contact sports will be ripe for a Renaissance.  

 

It rakes in money from television deals, but as 3/4 of teams give up before each season, will they still make money at the gate? You don't need 40,000-seat stadiums for a studio audience.

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I have a pretty good feeling the weirdness of these past few years where nobody seems to want to spend anything is somewhat of an anomaly. Despite some of the negative lately, MLB is still in a pretty good spot. Multiple guys getting $300 million + contracts shows that the money is still there and teams are still willing to take that risk. It may level out a bit in how the players association and the owners work together, and that may be a bit weird and kind of contentious for awhile, but when push comes to shove, they both ultimately understand the value they each offer one another.

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10 hours ago, Dodgeryaqui8016 said:

I would be in favor the Dbacks moving to Portland with a new stadium in place.  The Dbacks don't have a very good track record with people down here in Arizona since that buffon took over ownership from Jerry Colangelo.  Once they started griping about Chase Field that really turned the community off since Chase Field is still a very serviceable park.  The support is terrible for the Dbacks even when they are in the playoffs.  I went to the Brewers x Dbacks series back in 2011 and the entire upper deck was empty for games 3 and 4.  Alot of Brewer fans flew down and scooped up cheap tickets compared to what they would have payed in Milwaukee.  


The Phoenix area is also crawling with Wisconsin transplants.  I remember when the Packers would play the Cardinals and 90% of the stadium was in green and gold.

I think the D'Backs are posturing.  No one is gonna leave a Top 12 television market to go somewhere like Portland or North Carolina.  Maybe if Vancouver got serious about wanting a team in about a decade I might get worried.  And in that case, retrofit Chase for minor league ball... bring back the Phoenix Firebirds!

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7 hours ago, the admiral said:

 

Southern population density came up on one of the wrestling podcasts a while ago. Crockett was a grueling but lucrative territory because there were so many towns to make, few of them huge but big enough to draw crowds, like Anderson, South Carolina. But guys liked working the AWA because you could run Minneapolis and Chicago on one weekend and go back home. 


Hell, the AWA frequently ran the Ampitheater in Chicago and the Auditorium in Milwaukee on the same night... 96 miles apart... and sold out both.   
 

1 hour ago, Gothamite said:

 

Meh, I find this argument less than convincing.   Baseball continues to rake in cash, and if it’s not the favorite sport of millennials it is frequently cited as the second.  

 

Plus watch what happens to football when they’re forced to face the consequences of the modern game.  Already insurers are dropping them. Non-contact sports will be ripe for a Renaissance. 


Elder millennial here. My primary sports fandom has certainly shifted from football to baseball over the past few years.  I'm not sure how much I'll follow the NFL at all once Aaron Rodgers retires.

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Yeah, I feel better about baseball's future than football's. Baseball is, after all, the greatest game ever created. And basketball, pfft, Adam Silver just admitted they played themselves by getting everyone talking about the NBA on social but not bothering to watch the games.

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13 hours ago, NicDB said:


The Phoenix area is also crawling with Wisconsin transplants.  I remember when the Packers would play the Cardinals and 90% of the stadium was in green and gold.

I think the D'Backs are posturing.  No one is gonna leave a Top 12 television market to go somewhere like Portland or North Carolina.  Maybe if Vancouver got serious about wanting a team in about a decade I might get worried.  And in that case, retrofit Chase for minor league ball... bring back the Phoenix Firebirds!

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Hell, the AWA frequently ran the Ampitheater in Chicago and the Auditorium in Milwaukee on the same night... 96 miles apart... and sold out both.   
 


Elder millennial here. My primary sports fandom has certainly shifted from football to baseball over the past few years.  I'm not sure how much I'll follow the NFL at all once Aaron Rodgers retires.

I really believe that long term only the Arizona Cardinals have a future and or goodwill in this community.  Years ago I would have told you Suns and Cardinals stay and the rest are gonna go away but the Suns too have caused alot of apathy since Colangelo sold.  If the Dbacks or Coyotes ever left I doubt hardly anyone would care.  I think people would only care if the Cardinals tried to leave.  It would be beneficial for the NBA to rip the Suns out of Sarver's hands and sell it to someone dedicated to the community and team.  Sorry I am going off topic here.  

 

But I think NC could be an awesome longterm market for a baseball team.  

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On 3/8/2019 at 9:44 AM, sohiosportsfreak said:

I think here soon the NFL is going to be just like NASCAR.

I don’t think the NFL is ever going to fall that low. NASCAR’s only true foothold is in the southeast, while the NFL is popular all over the country. Plus, as bad as Goodell is, he’s nothing compared to Brian France. That man seems driven (haha puns) to run NASCAR into the ground.

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Next month is a design showcase that will feature brand proposals for a potential Raleigh MLB team:

 

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I'd support Raleigh as an expansion team for the pure fact that the South is underrepresented in MLB even though plenty of people in the South love baseball, even if football is king. For so long MLB was so concentrated on the East Coast (such as when the Cardinals were the westernmost team in baseball), and then figured out expansion to the West made sense. Well, now the South is booming in population, and MLB should catch up with the shifting population trend while they can. And sure, a lot of that is to Florida, Atlanta, and Texas, which already have MLB teams, but so are N Carolina and Nashville.

 

And while Florida and Texas are certainly located in the South, they're also unique culturally from a lot of the other Southern states. It's really the other areas of the South that are underrepresented in baseball. Even looking to the other major sports leagues:

 

MLB: 1 South (Atlanta) + 2 Texas (Houston, Dallas) + 2 Florida (Miami, Tampa... for now)

NFL: 4 South (Atlanta, Charlotte, Nashville, New Orleans) + 2 Texas (Houston, Dallas) + 3 Florida (Miami, Tampa, Jacksonville)

NBA: 4 South (Atlanta, Charlotte, Memphis, New Orleans) + 3 Texas (Houston, Dallas, San Antonio) + 2 Florida (Miami, Orlando)

NHL: 2 South (Nashville, Raleigh) + 1 Texas (Dallas) + 2 Florida (Miami/Sunrise, Tampa)

 

Clearly it makes sense that the NFL would have by far the most Southern teams, but it seems odd that not only would MLB have fewer teams than the NBA in the South, but also be matched by the NHL (or even surpassed if you see Texas as a separate kind of market than other Southern markets).

 

I just think this is a gap in MLB team locations. I also think Portland and Montreal would be good places for MLB to go to / return to someday. But Raleigh seems just as viable to me for a new fanbase to form.

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2 hours ago, Maroon said:

I'd support Raleigh as an expansion team for the pure fact that the South is underrepresented in MLB even though plenty of people in the South love baseball, even if football is king. For so long MLB was so concentrated on the East Coast (such as when the Cardinals were the westernmost team in baseball), and then figured out expansion to the West made sense. Well, now the South is booming in population, and MLB should catch up with the shifting population trend while they can. And sure, a lot of that is to Florida, Atlanta, and Texas, which already have MLB teams, but so are N Carolina and Nashville.

 

And while Florida and Texas are certainly located in the South, they're also unique culturally from a lot of the other Southern states. It's really the other areas of the South that are underrepresented in baseball. Even looking to the other major sports leagues:

 

MLB: 1 South (Atlanta) + 2 Texas (Houston, Dallas) + 2 Florida (Miami, Tampa... for now)

NFL: 4 South (Atlanta, Charlotte, Nashville, New Orleans) + 2 Texas (Houston, Dallas) + 3 Florida (Miami, Tampa, Jacksonville)

NBA: 4 South (Atlanta, Charlotte, Memphis, New Orleans) + 3 Texas (Houston, Dallas, San Antonio) + 2 Florida (Miami, Orlando)

NHL: 2 South (Nashville, Raleigh) + 1 Texas (Dallas) + 2 Florida (Miami/Sunrise, Tampa)

 

Clearly it makes sense that the NFL would have by far the most Southern teams, but it seems odd that not only would MLB have fewer teams than the NBA in the South, but also be matched by the NHL (or even surpassed if you see Texas as a separate kind of market than other Southern markets).

 

I just think this is a gap in MLB team locations. I also think Portland and Montreal would be good places for MLB to go to / return to someday. But Raleigh seems just as viable to me for a new fanbase to form.

The problem with Raleigh is it competes directly with Charlotte, which is a competition it loses every time. Looking outside baseball factors, Charlotte is slightly richer (thank you, Bank of America), much larger (23rd metro vs 42nd), and even beats Raleigh in the area is claims: Charlotte is number one in the country for tech jobs (again, thank you, Bank of America), despite the Research Triangle's claims on tech. Plus, the Knights have led MiLB in attendance ever since they moved Uptown in 2014 (proving that open-air, downtown stadiums will draw), despite a similar "transplant" population. I cannot see any way in which Raleigh beats Charlotte here. The points made about Raleigh-Durham being spread out is very much true, in fact, PNC Arena is pretty far from Raleigh, and even farther from Durham, and Raleigh would rely on Durham to get competent attendance.  

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20 minutes ago, QueenCitySwarm said:

The problem with Raleigh is it competes directly with Charlotte, which is a competition it loses every time. Looking outside baseball factors, Charlotte is slightly richer (thank you, Bank of America), much larger (23rd metro vs 42nd), and even beats Raleigh in the area is claims: Charlotte is number one in the country for tech jobs (again, thank you, Bank of America), despite the Research Triangle's claims on tech. Plus, the Knights have led MiLB in attendance ever since they moved Uptown in 2014 (proving that open-air, downtown stadiums will draw), despite a similar "transplant" population. I cannot see any way in which Raleigh beats Charlotte here. The points made about Raleigh-Durham being spread out is very much true, in fact, PNC Arena is pretty far from Raleigh, and even farther from Durham, and Raleigh would rely on Durham to get competent attendance.  

 

Your points are well taken. My statements were less about advocating for Raleigh, specifically, and more about how it would make sense for MLB to expand into North Carolina. I personally prefer the city of Raleigh to visit, but I don't live there and my opinion isn't relevant. I agree that Charlotte is the more attractive spot for a professional franchise between the two cities.

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18 minutes ago, Maroon said:

 

Your points are well taken. My statements were less about advocating for Raleigh, specifically, and more about how it would make sense for MLB to expand into North Carolina. I personally prefer the city of Raleigh to visit, but I don't live there and my opinion isn't relevant. I agree that Charlotte is the more attractive spot for a professional franchise between the two cities.

Oh yeah, North Carolina makes perfect sense for MLB. Raleigh probably has more touristy things, but Charlotte kills it in terms of sports-related requirements.

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For a league that was on the verge of contracting 2 or 3 teams less than 20 years ago, I don't think expansion's the brightest idea.

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Raleigh seems to be missing two kinda important things that might play into its viability as an expansion city. 

 

1) an ownership group with the ability to secure the obscene capital it would take to pay expansion fees and other startup costs, and 

 

2) any sort of commitment at all to get a stadium built if a team comes. 

 

This is all a total total waste of time until there’s an owner that wants (and can afford) a team, and a rock-solid stadium plan. 

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1 hour ago, tigerslionspistonshabs said:

For a league that was on the verge of contracting 2 or 3 teams less than 20 years ago, I don't think expansion's the brightest idea.

 

The contraction threat, or at least the reasons for it, were made in very bad faith though.

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