AustinFromBoston Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 I remember Kaz Grala winning at Daytona a few years ago. That was a nice upset. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glover Posted July 8, 2019 Share Posted July 8, 2019 3 hours ago, Dalcowboyfan92 said: A win's a win; no matter how you slice it. Sometimes, it's better to be lucky than good. This is a top 5 upset in the sports' history. Less surprising than Cope or Bayne. But, I would say more surprising than Jamie Mac or David Ragan. 1) Derrike Cope (1990 Daytona 500)* 2) Trevor Bayne (2011 Daytona 500) 3) Justin Haley (2019 Firecracker 400) 4) Jamie McMurray (2002 UAW-GM Quality 500) 5) David Ragan (2013 Aaron's 499) Honorable Mentions: Brad Keselowski (2009 Aaron's 499) Greg Sacks (1985 Pepsi Firecracker 400) Morgan Shepherd (1981 Virginia 500) Jody Ridley (1981 Mason-Dixon 500) Ron Bouchard (1981 Talladega 500) *- Cope's win at Daytona in 1990 will forever be the sports biggest upset until the heat death of the universe. I disagree with Bayne’s win being a bigger surprise. He had a fast car all during speedweeks. A few things bounced his way during the race sure, but he was fast and earned that win to a degree. It wasn’t like he fell ass backwards into a victory like Chris Buescher did at Pocono or Haley just did. Haley’s average running position yesterday was 31st. It was literally the perfect storm of half the field wrecking, everyone ahead of him pitting under caution, and lightning striking half a lap before the restart. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalcowboyfan92 Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 1 hour ago, selby56 said: I disagree with Bayne’s win being a bigger surprise. He had a fast car all during speedweeks. A few things bounced his way during the race sure, but he was fast and earned that win to a degree. It wasn’t like he fell ass backwards into a victory like Chris Buescher did at Pocono or Haley just did. Haley’s average running position yesterday was 31st. It was literally the perfect storm of half the field wrecking, everyone ahead of him pitting under caution, and lightning striking half a lap before the restart. It shows how stupid a tactic blocking is. And how if a bad block is thrown at the front of the field; congratulations said bad block thrower. You just wiped out over half the field. And when I think about blocking, I'm reminded of Tony Stewart and how hypocritical he was. He said he'd never block anyone. Yet, he did pretty much the exact same thing Austin Dillon did (2012 Fall Talladega) and wiped out 20+ cars and gave Junior the concussion that eventually forced him to consider retirement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AustinFromBoston Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 1 minute ago, Dalcowboyfan92 said: It shows how stupid a tactic blocking is. And how if a bad block is thrown at the front of the field; congratulations said bad block thrower. You just wiped out over half the field. And when I think about blocking, I'm reminded of Tony Stewart and how hypocritical he was. He said he'd never block anyone. Yet, he did pretty much the exact same thing Austin Dillon did (2012 Fall Talladega) and wiped out 20+ cars and gave Junior the concussion that eventually forced him to consider retirement. I've rarely ever seen blocking work out. Either you cause a huge wreck, or the guy just pits you and knocks you out (like Austin Dillon did to Almirola last year in the Daytona 500) Also, to address the elephant in the room on this subject, blocking is what lead to Earnhardt Sr getting killed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Glover Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 13 hours ago, Dalcowboyfan92 said: It shows how stupid a tactic blocking is. And how if a bad block is thrown at the front of the field; congratulations said bad block thrower. You just wiped out over half the field. And when I think about blocking, I'm reminded of Tony Stewart and how hypocritical he was. He said he'd never block anyone. Yet, he did pretty much the exact same thing Austin Dillon did (2012 Fall Talladega) and wiped out 20+ cars and gave Junior the concussion that eventually forced him to consider retirement. Tony Stewart, for as talented as he was in his prime, was the ultimate hypocrite. He as the biggest preacher of "give and take" early in the race, but there were many times he would race someone too hard in the first 50 laps or he would flat out dump them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camden Crazy Posted July 9, 2019 Share Posted July 9, 2019 2 hours ago, selby56 said: Tony Stewart, for as talented as he was in his prime, was the ultimate hypocrite. He as the biggest preacher of "give and take" early in the race, but there were many times he would race someone too hard in the first 50 laps or he would flat out dump them. And he killed a guy so Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont care Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 On 7/9/2019 at 11:48 AM, Camden Crazy said: And he killed a guy so I mean getting out of your car to try to run at a guy still driving his on a dirt track at night isn’t a smart idea for many reasons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camden Crazy Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 1 hour ago, dont care said: I mean getting out of your car to try to run at a guy still driving his on a dirt track at night isn’t a smart idea for many reasons. Neither is killing somebody Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont care Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 4 hours ago, Camden Crazy said: Neither is killing somebody It wasn’t his fault, get over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dalcowboyfan92 Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 Tony obviously never wanted to kill Kevin Ward, but when you angrily charge at a motor vehicle (and your toxicology report shows you were under the influence of marijuana), you run the risk of death or serious injury. You can say "heat of the moment", but that doesn't excuse his behavior. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Needschat Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 “Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity.” Roman philosopher Seneca. Justin Haley's win is the personification of the quote. Oh what could have been.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Camden Crazy Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 2 hours ago, dont care said: It wasn’t his fault, get over it. I’m not mad at all I’m not the one he ran over. He’s prob mad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dont care Posted July 11, 2019 Share Posted July 11, 2019 3 hours ago, Dalcowboyfan92 said: Tony obviously never wanted to kill Kevin Ward, but when you angrily charge at a motor vehicle (and your toxicology report shows you were under the influence of marijuana), you run the risk of death or serious injury. You can say "heat of the moment", but that doesn't excuse his behavior. I don’t even think he was trying to run anywhere close to him, but when you are in the racing groove of a dirt track at night you can basically expect to get hit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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