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13 hours ago, Ice_Cap said:

This is silly. I get city/state pride but refusing to go to a football game just because it’s technically in New Jersey is a whole other level of New York arrogance. 

Besides, aren't a lot of teams not even technically in the city they play for? The Pistons are in Auburn Hills, the Angels are in Anaheim, and so on. Heck, there is more distance between L.A. and Anaheim than between N.Y.C. and East Rutherford.

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2 hours ago, Quillz said:

Besides, aren't a lot of teams not even technically in the city they play for? The Pistons are in Auburn Hills, the Angels are in Anaheim, and so on. Heck, there is more distance between L.A. and Anaheim than between N.Y.C. and East Rutherford.

The Pistons are no longer in Auburn Hills, but have been playing at Little Caesars Arena in Detroit since fall of 2017. And the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim do have Anaheim in their formal name.

 

Or were you joking with those examples?

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Actually, the Angels dropped “Anaheim” a couple years back, the very minute that the naming agreement expired and they were legally able to. ;) 

 

I am of two minds on the NY/NJ thing.  No person who lives on the other side of the Hudson would respond with “New York” when asked where they live.  Not if they thought there was any way the questioner would know the truth.

 

But sports are different, and I don’t actually much care if the stadium falls on the other side of the border, so long as the team engages with the city and our communities.  The Jets and Giants do that, so they’re good.  The Metrostars and Red Bulls never did, so they’re another story.  First there was the ludicrous and vaguely insulting “New York/New Jersey” moniker.  Then they started eating out on our name without giving a damn about us.  There’s a reason MLS was so desperate for a club that actually represented and engaged New York City, one that didn’t require actual New Yorkers to take the criminally over-rated PATH train. 

 

But the Jets?  Eh, they’re okay.  Stadium location sucks, but I can’t hold that against them. 

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Telling someone from New Jersey that they're a New Yorker is a quick way to get a black eye...

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18 minutes ago, JQK said:

Telling someone from New Jersey that they're a New Yorker is a quick way to get a black eye...

 

And vice versa; no Jerseyite would ever be allowed to call themselves a New Yorker in front of people who actually earn that honor.  😛 

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I know we’re veering off topic for a number of posts here, but I think the easiest test for this is to ask if any team would reside in a place without the larger nearby market.

 

The Pistons would never have played in Auburn Hills without Detroit being nearby. Same thing for the Angels in Anaheim, the Jets and Giants in East Rutherford, and the Bills in Orchard Park, etc., etc., etc...

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On 4/5/2019 at 8:42 PM, insert name said:

My thoughts exactly. Many people don’t even remember the mid-90s set the Mets had. It was that forgettable. 

 

Well, the “New York” cursive script was decent.

 

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Stick its “N” on the 1987 design, and you’d have a perfect design for the Mets on the road!

 

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I still like the Tuscan/Tiffany “New York” more.

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1 hour ago, nickp91 said:

The Jets new uniforms look like they came straight from arena football

Phenom Elite is making their uniforms this year. This will be exceedingly tame by Arena League standards.

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6 minutes ago, Tracy MidGrady said:

Only people who don't live in NY/nj care about the jets & giants location name

I'm in Texas and I sure don't. Do people in East St. Louis complain about that team that plays in Missouri? Probably not. It's just people's particular opinion and it doesn't affect me so I don't worry about it.

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13 minutes ago, Tracy MidGrady said:

Only people who don't live in NY/nj care about the jets & giants location name

 

This is completely untrue. I don't live in NY/NJ and I'm having trouble thinking of anything that matters less to me.

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I’m a little late to respond, but I’m actually very pleasantly surprised with how this set turned out. I would’ve thought I’d wanted them to go with a lighter kelly green and no black, but the shade they went with works pretty well with the black somehow, especially for the helmet. Although the black jersey isn’t really necessary, I don’t think it’s a bad look, I think it could look nice with green or white pants. This set strikes me as very much inspired by the Vikings, with the modern striping and minimal uses of black doing wonders for the set. Overall I think it’s a nice upgrade to a uniform that was starting to get dated due to its incompatibilities with modern templates. I’d put it just below the Vikings, Dolphins, and Lions as far as the Nike redesigns have gone.

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4 hours ago, Gothamite said:

 

And vice versa; no Jerseyite would ever be allowed to call themselves a New Yorker in front of people who actually earn that honor.  😛 

 

"honor"

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17 hours ago, Ferdinand Cesarano said:

 

Speaking as an arrogant New Yorker, I can say that that position is not only silly, but it is also entirely backwards.

 

The fact that a team that is located in New Jersey identifies with New York City is an acknowledgement of the primacy of our great City. Such a policy on the part of a team says that the only thing important about that location is that it is part of the New York City area. (Not "market", please, as there is so much more to New York's greatness than commerce.) New York is the capital of the world, the centre of the universe. Its influence does not stop at its borders.

 

And this truth was affirmed by the MetroStars when they (having several years earlier shorn themselves of the risible and unwieldy geographical identifier "New York / New Jersey") changed their name to the New York Red Bulls. When they did this, they were about to open a new stadium in Harrison, immediately adjacent to Newark, which is New Jersey's largest city and a fine metropolis in its own right. But the only thing that the team's new owners were interested in was the fact that the team is in the New York City area, connected to the City proper by the (highly underrated) interstate subway system known as the PATH train.

 

(I should note that I support NYCFC, and strongly dislike the Red Bulls. I absolutely hate the team's corporate nickname. But I have all the respect in the world for the decision on the part of the team's ownership to adopt the correct geographical identifier of New York.)

 

I would also like to say that I have no patience for the comment "Jersey is Jersey". The great small cities of Hudson County are not at all what we arrogant New Yorkers have in mind when we sneer at Jersey.

 

I have ridden my bike all over New Jersey, more than once out to my relatives' house in Morris County. Now that is what we mean when we dismiss Jersey and say that Jersey sucks.

 

But please do not conflate those awful suburban hellscapes with vibrant urban centres such as Jersey City, Hoboken, and Union City. These are places that feel like home to a New Yorker, much moreso than does the eastern Queens nowheresville where I grew up (but fortunately escaped), to say nothing of that benighted wasteland Staten Island.

 

Finally, I can only wonder whether someone with the Cosmos' name as his screenname grasps the irony of denouncing the Jets for playing in the Meadowlands, as the Cosmos are an historic phenomenon solely on the basis of their play in the Meadowlands. When Mick Jagger and other celebrities were attending Cosmos matches, they weren't so much going to New Jersey as much as they were taking part in New York City's culture.

get a grip, dude

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On 4/4/2019 at 7:30 PM, TheFallenHaveRisen said:

 

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For Nike, this isn't bad.  My biggest gripe is the helmet shine...would look better in matte finish or maybe satin finish, IMHO

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This whole NY vs. NJ thing cracks me up. FWIW, I've spent plenty of time in both places. If I lived in either one, most of my day would be spent planning my move elsewhere...anywhere, really. Don't get me wrong, I love NYC...for about 2 days. After that, I've had more than my fill of the place. Great city. Hell, it might even be the "center of the universe" or whatever Ferdinand called it, but you couldn't pay me to live there. Sorry, Jersey, I'm still looking for something to like about you. I guess I can say that Trenton sort of reminded me of my hometown of Toledo* And I say that as a compliment. I'm with @oldschoolvikings, of the things I care about, the Jets and Giants calling themselves New York while playing in New Jersey isn't any of them. 

 

*the actual "America's greatest city" and Ohio's best kept secret.

 

On to the new Jets uniforms. They're just this side of OK. It could have been a lot worse. I expected it to be a lot worse. I like the helmet well enough. Other than the BFBS, the colors are OK, and the new number font is decent. Where the whole set loses me is the New York wordmark and the silly "paper airplane" stripes. Those two elements take the set from the NFL level to the Omaha Beef's league. This uniform could have been a very nicely done "classic" design, but as usual, Nike went about three steps too far.  2 out of 5. Big downgrade. 

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7 hours ago, Gothamite said:

No person who lives on the other side of the Hudson would respond with “New York” when asked where they live.

 

I personally know several people who moved to Union City simply because they found good rent there. These people have never stopped thinking of themselves as New Yorkers, even decades later.

 

I also know people who first came to the area as students from elsewhere in the county, and found places to live in Jersey City. Yet their entire identities revolve around being New Yorkers, with employment and with social ties based in the City proper. This lifestyle is facilitated by the excellent transit connections between Jersey City and New York City, as provided by the PATH train (why anyone would take a swipe at this wonderful little subway system that seamlessly harmonises with the main New York City system is a profound mystery) and the ferries.

 

The luxury version of this practice can be found in Weehawken, the entire allure of which is the view of the New York City skyline. It thus attracts wealthy New Yorkers for the same reason as do the luxury towers in Queens's Long Island City.

 

These people living in affordable Union City, comfortable Jersey City, and tony Weehawken would probably not say to any local questioners that they live in New York, mainly because the understood context of the "Where do you live?" question from other locals is "Where in the New York area do you live?" So the response "New York" is unhelpful because it applies equally to us all (whether we live inside or outside the City limits).

 

And it is certainly true that all of these cities have plenty of  natives who define themselves against New York City. But the many residents of those New Jersey border towns who landed there just because that's where they found housing  and who identify as New Yorkers, these people would indeed respond with "New York" if asked where they live by people from outside the area. I promise you that, from the point of view of the parents of someone who arrived in Jersey City for college or grad school and is now a professional working in New York City, their kid lives in New York, technicalities be damned.

 

1 hour ago, infrared41 said:

I guess I can say that Trenton sort of reminded me of my hometown of Toledo*

 

Well, Trenton is not part of the New York City area. It is actually on the outskirts of the Philadelphia metropolitan area, sitting only about 30 miles away.

 

Having ridden my bike in Trenton several times during my rides to and from Philly, I can say that that city is somewhat challenged. I mean, I like gritty; I enjoy riding through Paterson and Yonkers. But Trenton can stretch grittiness to the breaking point.

 

Still, before I discovered that I could ride on NJ 27 through a corridor of towns between Newark and Trenton, I had been taking a route to Philadelphia that took me through areas ranging from suburban to rural; so I remember greeting Trenton with great relief, thinking how nice to be back in a city. And the presence of the New Jersey state house on State Street and not in some cleared-out plaza is most impressive; one cannot help but gasp at this building's beauty as it appears suddenly.

 

But I have to admit that a little Trenton goes a long way. The last time I rode back home from Philly, I found myself on particularly depressed Calhoun Street (the street of one of the two bridges connecting to Pennsylvania) stuck behind a garbage truck. At that stressful moment I remember thinking to myself: Q: What's worse than being in Trenton? A: Being behind a garbage truck in Trenton. So I found the energy to sprint until I had left that city.

 

1 hour ago, infrared41 said:

*the actual "America's greatest city" and Ohio's best kept secret.

 

I'll bet that you enjoy the characterisation of Toledo on the excellent NBC sitcom A.P. Bio.

 

1 hour ago, infrared41 said:

On to the new Jets uniforms. They're just this side of OK. It could have been a lot worse. I expected it to be a lot worse. I like the helmet well enough. Other than the BFBS, the colors are OK, and the new number font is decent. Where the whole set loses me is the New York wordmark and the silly "paper airplane" stripes. Those two elements take the set from the NFL level to the Omaha Beef's league.

 

I can agree with this analysis...

 

1 hour ago, infrared41 said:

This uniform could have been a very nicely done "classic" design, but as usual, Nike went about three steps too far.  2 out of 5. Big downgrade. 

 

...but not with this conclusion. Despite the flaws in the Jets' new uniform, for me the brighter green alone qualifies the new set as an upgrade.

 

We can hope that the team will eventually simplify the look by getting rid of those unnecessary shapes on the shoulders if enough fans complain about them.

 

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