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Saracens: Who's side are you on anyway?

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10 hours ago, the admiral said:

Wrong beloved TV oaf.

 

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It’s Tony Soprano, right? That’s another guy who gets sadly lionized by people who miss the f—king point of the show. 

 

12 hours ago, the admiral said:

Americans who romanticize Robert E. Lee and Erwin Rommel should never be let out of your sight.

 

The same goes for weaboos who like to downplay or deny Japanese war crimes during WWII. However, they’re a little more harmless.

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31 minutes ago, Ice_Cap said:

Vikings made it to Baffin Island, the Canadian Maritime area, and probably parts of New England. 

 

That’s it. Any claim that vikings made it beyond that is based on pseudo-history and pseudo-science.

 

Yup.  Only four sites confirmed by actual finds;

 

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10 hours ago, Ferdinand Cesarano said:

The Arena Football League had a team called the Texas Terror.

And their logo was Frankenstein's monster...so no real representation, but after 9/11 they did rebrand as the Thunderbears

 

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The Saracens have a huge global reach as well. They own clubs in Seattle (play in the BC Premier League), Georgia, Abu Dhabi, Kuala Lumpur, Jordan, Kenya, Russia, São Paulo, and Tonga, 

 

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Never heard of em.

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I'm definitely pro-Saracens. Lovely family. Matt wasn't much of a QB1 -- he spent most of the time handing off to Smash and Riggins -- but he stepped up when he had to. Good kid. Granny was sweet, too.

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19 hours ago, keynote said:

I'm definitely pro-Saracens. Lovely family. Matt wasn't much of a QB1 -- he spent most of the time handing off to Smash and Riggins -- but he stepped up when he had to. Good kid. Granny was sweet, too.

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this is also what I thought the thread was about.

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On 5/9/2019 at 6:40 PM, fbjim said:

It's the noble opponent mentality, Saladin was always romanticized in the West as a brilliant leader and noble warrior despite fighting against the Crusaders. I don't know if the US had that many enemies that filled that "noble opposition" role culturally- Black Hawk is an obvious example from a sports team, but does anyone outside of Illinois know who he actually was? I suppose Crazy Horse and Sitting Bull fill that role as well. 

I for one think ‘Crazy Horses’ would be an awesome name.

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On 5/10/2019 at 10:02 AM, AstroBull21 said:

And their logo was Frankenstein's monster...so no real representation, but after 9/11 they did rebrand as the Thunderbears

 

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That rebrand was well before '01...IIRC it was 98.  

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Speaking of Saracens, they have won the European Champions Cup (European Rugby's equivalent to the UEFA Champions League) today for the 3rd Time. As a result they will wear their 3rd Star on top of their crest.

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On 5/10/2019 at 7:27 AM, Gothamite said:

 

Yeah, lionizing the CSA is even worse

 

As for “noble opponent”, you need look no further than the fetish for First Nations imagery.

 

Well, since you brought up first nations imagery, there is another club in Premiership Rugby called the Exeter Chiefs. 

 

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The appeal of the “noble savage” is as widespread as it is insidious.  You find First Nations imagery all over the world, no matter how incongruous.

 

There’s a soccer club in South Africa that uses it.

 

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Which was itself borrowed from the Atlanta NASL club. 

 

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I always wondered what the famously-racist South African society thought about skipping over their own indigenous people and lionizing an indigenous group from the other side of the world.  Maybe “Zulus” was too close to home, and this was seen as safer because they had no presence in the country. 

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Isn’t this the same as posting about the redskins controversy? Aren’t we not supposed to be doing that?

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8 hours ago, Gothamite said:

The appeal of the “noble savage” is as widespread as it is insidious.  You find First Nations imagery all over the world, no matter how incongruous.

 

There’s a soccer club in South Africa that uses it.

 

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Which was itself borrowed from the Atlanta NASL club. 

 

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I always wondered what the famously-racist South African society thought about skipping over their own indigenous people and lionizing an indigenous group from the other side of the world.  Maybe “Zulus” was too close to home, and this was seen as safer because they had no presence in the country. 

Kaiser Chiefs were named after a South African player who started the team in the 1970's. His first name was Kaiser and his nickname was Chief.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaizer_Chiefs_F.C.

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There is also Belgium football club, Gent

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1 hour ago, MJWalker45 said:

Kaiser Chiefs were named after a South African player who started the team in the 1970's. His first name was Kaiser and his nickname was Chief.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaizer_Chiefs_F.C.

 

Not really. 

 

From your own link:

 

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Kaizer Chiefs were founded in January 1970 shortly after the return of Kaizer "Chincha Guluva" Motaung from the United States where he played as a striker for the Atlanta Chiefs of the North American Soccer League (NASL). He combined his own first name with the Atlanta Chiefs to create the name of Kaizer Chiefs.

 

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41 minutes ago, Gothamite said:

 

Not really. 

 

From your own link:

 

 

I read that as saying he aided in naming the team rather than his name was part of the branding that brought him on board. He's actually still a director there too according to the article. 

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That’s not the issue - the issue is “Chiefs” comes from the NASL club he played for, not his own nickname.  And the logo is certainly inspired by it as well.

 

It’s not the only South African club named after a founder’s previous NASL club.  There’s Jomo Cosmos FC, founded by former player Jomo Sono.  That one is especially funny, because Sono only played a handful of games for the Cosmos, making at least twice as many appearances for three other NASL clubs.  I guess he got beaten to “Jomo Chiefs”, and “Jomo Caribous” didn’t have the same ring. :D 

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