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I think the Marlins are pretty safe. They won 2 WS titles and were 18th in attendance last year.

Then Loria went Loria and sold off the roster for Jeff Mathis and some magic beans. Now they're 29th in attendance (27th by percentage of capacity). I agree that their new stadium will keep the Marlins in town in the short term.

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Yikes. I didn't want to use this year's attendance to back up my statement, but this situation isn't going to clean up.

So, you didn't want to use relevant facts to back up something you said. Makes sense.

Well the relevant facts are these:

1. Marlins Park is 1 year old

2. Loria cannot sell the team until 2015 without giving a chunk of it back to the city of Miami.

I don't think that Loria is even leasing the stadium... I cannot find any information on lease terms for the stadium. In either case, Loria is pocketing literally every dollar than comes into the park. It's not as if he's going to get a sweeter deal anywhere else. The Marlins are staying put for the foreseeable future.

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Yikes. I didn't want to use this year's attendance to back up my statement, but this situation isn't going to clean up.

So, you didn't want to use relevant facts to back up something you said. Makes sense.

It's not that the facts weren't irrelevant, rather incomplete.

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I've been a Pirates fan all of my life. I have relatives down there so I am a Bucs fan. As I visited over the years and took in baseball games, I started to like the Rays because they were in the AL (never faced the Pirates), were built similar to the Pirates, and stood up to the big dogs in Boston and New York. They filled a very big void that the Pirates give every year (heck, I was two when they won the WS and in middle school last playoff). As I tour Tampa or St. Pete, there is so much to do rather than go to a baseball game, but when I go into their stadium and think two things 1) what a dump and 2) how empty it is for a pretty successful team *unless it's filled with Sox or Yankee fans. From what I know, the mayor (or anyone for that matter) doesn't want to be the one who loses a sports team...instead of letting them go across the bay and be successful there. I don't think Bud Selig is getting involved to save Tampa Bay. I think he's getting involved to break a lease and see which city wants the Rays. Selig caters to the big markets...LA, Boston, NY and to Milwaukee. Anyone else is just for them to go out and watch a baseball game and spend money. I hope he and the city of St. Pete prove me wrong. It's a tough sports area because of so many transplants there who follow their own teams. I think they can be good with an established fanbase as kids actually liking players like Longo and Price and being raised with them. The kids here in Pittsburgh weren't alive to see a good team and the stadium is full of fairweather fans now. It's a bunch of tools who flash the Zoltan or do the sharktank thing. It's not people who had to watch Derek Bell or Kevin Young for all those years.

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How about Buffalo? I've read an article a while ago that Buffalo was seeking an MLB team around 25 years ago, and they used the successes of the Bisons as proof. But MLB decided that they city was "too small of a market," and elected to give new franchises to Miami and Denver, instead (the eventual Marlins and Rockies).

Why can't Buffalo be an option for the Rays today? I don't exactly have detail on the Bisons today, but it would certainly help travel arrangements for the AL East teams.

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How about Buffalo? I've read an article a while ago that Buffalo was seeking an MLB team around 25 years ago, and they used the successes of the Bisons as proof. But MLB decided that they city was "too small of a market," and elected to give new franchises to Miami and Denver, instead (the eventual Marlins and Rockies).

Why can't Buffalo be an option for the Rays today? I don't exactly have detail on the Bisons today, but it would certainly help travel arrangements for the AL East teams.

Is this a serious post?

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How about Buffalo? I've read an article a while ago that Buffalo was seeking an MLB team around 25 years ago, and they used the successes of the Bisons as proof. But MLB decided that they city was "too small of a market," and elected to give new franchises to Miami and Denver, instead (the eventual Marlins and Rockies).

Why can't Buffalo be an option for the Rays today? I don't exactly have detail on the Bisons today, but it would certainly help travel arrangements for the AL East teams.

Is this a serious post?

I swear, people just look at cities that have other major teams, and just automatically assume that they're big flourishing cities.

There are a lot of cities that if the leagues were starting up today, wouldn't have teams. Nothing against those cities, but the economic climate was different back in the day before some industries either left town or other things happened to cause them to lose population and affluence. Buffalo seems to do a fine job supporting the Bills and Sabers (at least when they're good) but there's no way it's a candidate for another team. If we were starting from scratch, the Bills probably wouldn't even be there.

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I've always heard that Buffalo was talked about for expansion back in the 80's and our AAA ballpark is supposed to be expandable, but just no. We might be able to fill a stadium maybe, but I don't think the corporate money is there in any fashion. I'd wager that we're one of the worst markets for big corporate headquarters. We're almost always the #3 US market for Stanley Cup Finals behind the two teams that are actually in it, and I think we do well in NFL Playoff ratings after the Bills pack it in. I don't think we even register on the baseball ratings and I rarely hear anyone talk baseball around here; if so, only the big, big stories.

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I've always heard that Buffalo was talked about for expansion back in the 80's and our AAA ballpark is supposed to be expandable, but just no. We might be able to fill a stadium maybe, but I don't think the corporate money is there in any fashion. I'd wager that we're one of the worst markets for big corporate headquarters. We're almost always the #3 US market for Stanley Cup Finals behind the two teams that are actually in it, and I think we do well in NFL Playoff ratings after the Bills pack it in. I don't think we even register on the baseball ratings and I rarely hear anyone talk baseball around here; if so, only the big, big stories.

The Atlantic Cities wrote a great story on the MLB and Buffalo last July.

As both Coca-Cola Park, along with the Colorado Springs stadium opened in 1988, they are now tied for being the fifth oldest park(s) in AAA baseball.

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