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2 hours ago, TBGKon said:

True, but Inter Miami build this on the site of old Lockhart Stadium in Fort Lauderdale, but still wants their own stadium in Miami proper.

 

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What's wrong with that stadium that they want to bail on it already?

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36 minutes ago, bosrs1 said:

 

What's wrong with that stadium that they want to bail on it already?

 

They want their permanent home to be in Miami proper, not Fort Lauderdale.  

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I may be wrong, but isn't the case with MLS that their preferred option is an SSS, but they'll allow otherwise as long as there's ownership crossover between the team and the stadium, because it's about not having their teams be tenants of somebody else. Hence how Arthur Blank's Atlanta FC are allowed to share Megatron's butthole with the Falcons, NYCFC sharing with the Yankees, and I assume the Sounders must therefore share owners with the Seahawks.

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15 minutes ago, Ferdinand Cesarano said:

 

It's not a requirement.

 

- signed, the Seattle Sounders and NYCFC


NYCFC isn’t for lack of trying, though. Just a cursory look into the situation tells me I really need to look into that whole saga because it looks like one hell of a doozy. I don’t think NYCFC is in any danger of moving at all but it really is reminiscent of the DC United situation with RFK and that team’s near 2 decade long fight for a stadium site.

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On 5/31/2021 at 5:18 PM, the admiral said:

Plenty of daylight between "it's gonna take time to leave" and "insufficient infrastructure and the folly of only having one way to reach the premises." Any mass gathering takes time to leave. Getting out of a Brewers game is like eating crap for dessert.  I don't know to what extent they could fix it. There's not a transit culture in Wisconsin.

You're not wrong, but that doesn't mean you're all right.

 

I've been to Nationals Park 4-5 times. have you ever walked from Nats park to downtown DC? I have twice. Once because the game went to extras and the train didn't run when it was over, and once when we decided we didn't want to wait in the lines to get on board with everyone else, who coincidentally left at the same time as us because any mass gathering will take time to leave.

 

Anyway, my views have been made. I'm only making my horse deader. Where mass transit works, fantastic. Where it doesn't work, fantastic as well. I like more grey and less black/white.

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Yeah, no situation is perfect, especially in an early-to-bed town like DC, where everything shuts down at 11 so that people can get up bright and early to go do evil. I still find crowded public transit much less enervating than trying to get out of a bottlenecked parking lot. That's just me.

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24 minutes ago, the admiral said:

Yeah, no situation is perfect, especially in an early-to-bed town like DC, where everything shuts down at 11 so that people can get up bright and early to go do evil. I still find crowded public transit much less enervating than trying to get out of a bottlenecked parking lot. That's just me.


You think that’s bad? Imagine if they’d been forced to build the stadium near Dulles or at one of the NoVa sites.

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41 minutes ago, Sec19Row53 said:

 

Anyway, my views have been made. I'm only making my horse deader. Where mass transit works, fantastic. Where it doesn't work, fantastic as well. I like more grey and less black/white.

 

I don't think this is a unique viewpoint. Yes, things that are good are good.

 

All else being equal, we're better served by investments in transit than highways. Especially in 2021, but would have been nice in 1950-2000.

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I enjoy drinking a lot so mass transit is always preferable to me. This as much as anything is why I have historically been lukewarm on MLS. But there are like barely 10-15 markets in North America where public transit is even a realistic option and Tampa is not one as far as I know? 

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14 hours ago, bosrs1 said:

 

What's wrong with that stadium that they want to bail on it already?

It was never intended to be their home.  They intended it to house their lower tier squad plus their academy.  Its aluminum and modular, so its cheap, but looks nice.

 

This was the former Lockhart Stadium on that site, home to the original NASL Fort Lauderdale Strikers, MLS Miami Fusion, and countless high school football games.  Needless to say it's a nice upgrade.

 

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18 hours ago, waltere said:

I may be wrong, but isn't the case with MLS that their preferred option is an SSS, but they'll allow otherwise as long as there's ownership crossover between the team and the stadium, because it's about not having their teams be tenants of somebody else. Hence how Arthur Blank's Atlanta FC are allowed to share Megatron's butthole with the Falcons, NYCFC sharing with the Yankees, and I assume the Sounders must therefore share owners with the Seahawks.

 

I'm not even sure it's ownership cross over so much as its control of their revenues. In so many rental situations the team has to split revenue with the landlord which is why rentals are usually not preferred.  But there are exceptions.

 

Also shocked no one remembered the longest such non-SSS situation in the league up in New England. 

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49 minutes ago, bosrs1 said:

Also shocked no one remembered the longest such non-SSS situation in the league up in New England. 


Robert Kraft owns the New England Revolution. My guess for having them still play at Gillette is so he can fill dates where the stadium would otherwise sit empty. After all, he did fund Gillette Stadium entirely out of his own pocket so it makes sense he’d want as many dates filled as possible.

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They have tried to build a SSS in or near Boston proper through the years, though there is some debate as to how serious or competent those efforts have been. But yeah, playing at Gillette rent-free means the urgency is not as severe as it was for say, DCU, and it’s perfectly serviceable as a soccer stadium.
 

At this point I no longer expect the Revs to ever move out, unfortunately.

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17 hours ago, the admiral said:

Yeah, no situation is perfect, especially in an early-to-bed town like DC, where everything shuts down at 11 so that people can get up bright and early to go do evil. I still find crowded public transit much less enervating than trying to get out of a bottlenecked parking lot. That's just me.

 

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17 hours ago, the admiral said:

Yeah, no situation is perfect, especially in an early-to-bed town like DC, where everything shuts down at 11 so that people can get up bright and early to go do evil. I still find crowded public transit much less enervating than trying to get out of a bottlenecked parking lot. That's just me.

and yes it does close down at 11pm.  

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On 6/1/2021 at 3:24 PM, SFGiants58 said:

Seriously, Inter Miami should suck it up and play there. MLS in general should remove the SSS requirement from the league. 


MLS does not have a SSS requirement.

 

It has a “control your stadium” requirement, to ensure that its teams aren’t tenants in somebody else’s park, without access to the revenue streams that a primary tenant controls even when someone else is using the stadium.

 

So when MLS teams share ownership with the primary tenant of a stadium (like in Seattle or New York City), MLS can write the contract guaranteeing the soccer club a measure of most-favored status in the stadium, they’re plenty happy to put its club in a non-SSS. 

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On 6/1/2021 at 7:31 PM, Red Comet said:


NYCFC isn’t for lack of trying, though. Just a cursory look into the situation tells me I really need to look into that whole saga because it looks like one hell of a doozy. I don’t think NYCFC is in any danger of moving at all but it really is reminiscent of the DC United situation with RFK and that team’s near 2 decade long fight for a stadium site.


The difference is that MLS was so desperate for a New York team that they were willing to put the club in a stadium situation nobody liked. 
 

And also, don’t forget that MLS had previously spent several years trying to build a NYC stadium on their own.  They knew how hard it was, they knew what they were getting into, and the upside was still important enough to them that they went right ahead with it. 

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