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15 minutes ago, B-Rich said:

 

"If you build it, they will come"

 

Places this worked:

1. Indianapolis (Hoosier/RCA Dome)

2. Orlando (Orlando/Amway Arena)

3. St. Petersburg (Suncoast Dome/Tropicana Field)

4. St. Louis (TransWorld/ Edward Jones Dome)

5. Memphis (kinda/sorta, with The Pyramid as a temporary home, but  they had to agree to build the FedEx Forum to actually get a team).

6. New Orleans (New Orleans Arena/Smoothie King Center)

7. Oklahoma City (Ford Center/Chesapeake Energy Arena)

 

Places this didn't work:

1. San Antonio (Alamodome - never got an NFL franchise)

2.  Kansas City (Sprint/T-Mobile Center - hasn't got an NBA or NHL franchise yet)


Probably have to add Quebec City’s new arena to the list as well.

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Lost in the double city plan...

 

Free agents who signed in Tampa probably factored in the lack of state income tax.  Good luck telling them that they're suddenly going to be handed a hefty bill from the Canadian Revenue Agency every year.

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On 10/9/2021 at 1:34 PM, BBTV said:

 

I watched the video, and the fan interviewed at the end did seem to confirm the inconvenient location issue that some here have been mentioning.  While I don't know if there's any evidence it would succeed in Ybor City, I'm certainly more willing to accept that it hasn't been given the fair chance I maybe thought it had been.  

 

One thing I don't understand, is how the split-city plan calls for two small stadiums.  That doesn't make sense, unless they're conceding that very few people will come even if it's centrally located.  Playing half the games in one city doesn't mean that the stadium only has to support half the people.  I don't really understand the logic - if it's all financially based, wouldn't having more people in there increase revenue?  And if they don't think more people would come, why are they even considering this, rather than looking elsewhere (maybe there is no elsewhere?)


If anything, going by the split-city schedule (and having the subsequent half-schedule in Tampa Bay and Montreal) suggests to me that, if anything, more Exporay fans would attend games in Tampa Bay and Montreal than they would if the team committed to one of the cities.

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12 minutes ago, DustDevil61 said:


If anything, going by the split-city schedule (and having the subsequent half-schedule in Tampa Bay and Montreal) suggests to me that, if anything, more Exporay fans would attend games in Tampa Bay and Montreal than they would if the team committed to one of the cities.

How do you come to that conclusion when rays fans are up in arms about it?

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56 minutes ago, B-Rich said:

 

"If you build it, they will come"

 

Places this worked:

1. Indianapolis (Hoosier/RCA Dome)

2. Orlando (Orlando/Amway Arena)

3. St. Petersburg (Suncoast Dome/Tropicana Field)

4. St. Louis (TransWorld/ Edward Jones Dome)

5. Memphis (kinda/sorta, with The Pyramid as a temporary home, but  they had to agree to build the FedEx Forum to actually get a team).

6. New Orleans (New Orleans Arena/Smoothie King Center)

7. Oklahoma City (Ford Center/Chesapeake Energy Arena)

 

Places this didn't work:

1. San Antonio (Alamodome - never got an NFL franchise)

2.  Kansas City (Sprint/T-Mobile Center - hasn't got an NBA or NHL franchise yet)

It worked in Las Vegas with T-Mobile Arena.

 

And although it hasn't landed a major league-level team yet, the T-Mobile Center in KC has done very well without a major tennant.

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50 minutes ago, LMU said:

Lost in the double city plan...

 

Free agents who signed in Tampa probably factored in the lack of state income tax.  Good luck telling them that they're suddenly going to be handed a hefty bill from the Canadian Revenue Agency every year.

I never thought about this until now, this will be a big point of contention for players.

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2 hours ago, SFGiants58 said:

 

Don't forget Metropolitan Stadium in Bloomington, Minnesota!

Good point.  Updated and added.

 

1 hour ago, McCall said:

It worked in Las Vegas with T-Mobile Arena.

 

And although it hasn't landed a major league-level team yet, the T-Mobile Center in KC has done very well without a major tennant.

Las Vegas is another good one I forgot. Updated and added to the list.

 

I have heard the same about T-Mobile  Center doing so well in terms of concerts and events that they aren't really LOOKING for a major league tenant, but especially in light of the last year and a half  of the COVID situation I wonder how well they are really doing, and still think they would LOVE a big league hockey or b-ball franchise there... maybe the  Kansas City Tornadoes or Kansas City Twisters?

 

2 hours ago, Camden Crazy said:

Probably have to add Quebec City’s new arena to the list as well.

Hmm... didn't realize  it has been there since 2015.  Good point.  Updating/added  that to list #2. 

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6 hours ago, GhostOfNormMacdonald said:

The acquisition of Florida puts John Quincy Adams solidly in the bottom 5 presidents

I don't know if it'll be in my signature, or my member title, but I have to find a way to immortalize this post.

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23 hours ago, B-Rich said:

 

"If you build it, they will come"

 

Places this worked:

1. Minnesota (Metropolitan Stadium)

2. Indianapolis (Hoosier/RCA Dome)

3. Orlando (Orlando/Amway Arena)

4. St. Petersburg (Suncoast Dome/Tropicana Field)

5. St. Louis (TransWorld/ Edward Jones Dome)

6. Memphis (kinda/sorta, with The Pyramid as a temporary home, but  they had to agree to build the FedEx Forum to actually get a team).

7. New Orleans (New Orleans Arena/Smoothie King Center)

8. Oklahoma City (Ford Center/Chesapeake Energy Arena)

9. Las Vegas (T-Mobile Arena)

 

Places this didn't work:

1. San Antonio (Alamodome - never got an NFL franchise)

2.  Kansas City (Sprint/T-Mobile Center - hasn't got an NBA or NHL franchise yet)

3. Quebec City (Videotron Centre)

 

It also worked for Winnipeg getting the Jets back. Canada Life Centre was built for the AHL, but they made sure it was made to NHL standards just in case they got the chance to bring in another team.

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On 10/18/2021 at 5:01 PM, B-Rich said:

I have heard the same about T-Mobile  Center doing so well in terms of concerts and events that they aren't really LOOKING for a major league tenant, but especially in light of the last year and a half  of the COVID situation I wonder how well they are really doing, and still think they would LOVE a big league hockey or b-ball franchise there... maybe the  Kansas City Tornadoes or Kansas City Twisters? 


Chief of Kansas City Patrick Mahomes wants an NBA team here. As for the name, my personal view of any tornado-themed name for a KC-based team is that it’s as lazy as a team that formerly had a Native mascot choosing a bird of prey as a new name.

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On 10/18/2021 at 3:10 PM, B-Rich said:

 

"If you build it, they will come"

 

Places this worked:

1. Minnesota (Metropolitan Stadium)

2. Indianapolis (Hoosier/RCA Dome)

3. Orlando (Orlando/Amway Arena)

4. St. Petersburg (Suncoast Dome/Tropicana Field)

5. St. Louis (TransWorld/ Edward Jones Dome)

6. Memphis (kinda/sorta, with The Pyramid as a temporary home, but  they had to agree to build the FedEx Forum to actually get a team).

7. New Orleans (New Orleans Arena/Smoothie King Center)

8. Oklahoma City (Ford Center/Chesapeake Energy Arena)

9. Las Vegas (T-Mobile Arena)

 

Places this didn't work:

1. San Antonio (Alamodome - never got an NFL franchise)

2.  Kansas City (Sprint/T-Mobile Center - hasn't got an NBA or NHL franchise yet)

3. Quebec City (Videotron Centre)


you forgot Milwaukee - the OG. 😉

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On 10/19/2021 at 3:30 PM, OnWis97 said:

Was Milwaukee County Stadium built for the Braves or was it more of a Metropolitan Stadium situation?

 

On 10/19/2021 at 5:24 PM, the admiral said:

It was built to attract a baseball team and to accommodate the Packers, who I think were playing their Milwaukee games at State Fair Park prior to that. 


It was built jointly for the old American Association Brewers and to attract a major league franchise.  Some thought it might be the Braves, since they owned the Brewers and with it the territory, but the Browns also tried to move in before Bill Veeck sold them and they were Baltimore bound.

 

Packers were an afterthought at best.  But then again, so was the NFL in the early 1950s. 

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The A's are much closer to a stadium solution than the Rays at this point.  

 

The year is 2031.  At this time, the A's had been in Las Vegas since 2024.  Meanwhile the Rays are still playing in the Trop after signing a year-by-year lease after their lease expired in 2027.  Their plans to split their season in Montreal has been constantly derailed by the MLBPA not wanting their players to split half a year in each city.    At this time, MLB becomes restless and angry because the Rays Stadium situation are the reason they have not expanded to 32 teams and are the only major league without 32 teams as both NBA and MLS have gone to 32 by that time.  

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Rays will be playing anywhere other than the Trop by 2028. My money's still on Nashville with Montreal being a decoy, but that's just my personal prediction. Regardless, they'll have something planned somewhere, whether in or out of the area, in time to get the hell out the first chance they get.

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8 hours ago, GDAWG said:

The A's are much closer to a stadium solution than the Rays at this point.  

 

The year is 2031.  At this time, the A's had been in Las Vegas since 2024.  Meanwhile the Rays are still playing in the Trop after signing a year-by-year lease after their lease expired in 2027.  Their plans to split their season in Montreal has been constantly derailed by the MLBPA not wanting their players to split half a year in each city.    At this time, MLB becomes restless and angry because the Rays Stadium situation are the reason they have not expanded to 32 teams and are the only major league without 32 teams as both NBA and MLS have gone to 32 by that time.  

 

THe number one thing the PA cares about is $, and if the team can show that splitting time will increase revenue and lead to higher payroll, it would be malpractice to hold them back.  They could also work out some kind of "inconvenience tax" or some insignificant bonus that they pay the players at the time of each move.  Just enough so that the PA can say that they "won".

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On 10/18/2021 at 3:10 PM, B-Rich said:

 

"If you build it, they will come"

 

Places this worked:

1. Minnesota (Metropolitan Stadium)

2. Indianapolis (Hoosier/RCA Dome)

3. Orlando (Orlando/Amway Arena)

4. St. Petersburg (Suncoast Dome/Tropicana Field)

5. St. Louis (TransWorld/ Edward Jones Dome)

6. Memphis (kinda/sorta, with The Pyramid as a temporary home, but  they had to agree to build the FedEx Forum to actually get a team).

7. New Orleans (New Orleans Arena/Smoothie King Center)

8. Oklahoma City (Ford Center/Chesapeake Energy Arena)

9. Las Vegas (T-Mobile Arena)

 

Places this didn't work:

1. San Antonio (Alamodome - never got an NFL franchise)

2.  Kansas City (Sprint/T-Mobile Center - hasn't got an NBA or NHL franchise yet)

3. Quebec City (Videotron Centre)

 

I assume your standard for this is that the stadium was actually built before a team committed to moving.  The plans were in place for M&T Bank Stadium for if/when a team signed on the dotted line, whether by expansion or relocation.  However, the stadium was not built until after the team agreed to move.

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