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29 minutes ago, GDAWG said:

Don't the Angels and Diamondbacks have stadium issues themselves?  I am thinking that the Angels will at least remain in the Los Angeles area. 

 

The Angels have been discussing a new park, but hardly a stadium issue.  The D'backs, like Atlanta seems like they want a new park just to have a new park.  Their park is only what, 20 years old?  Again, hardly a stadium issue to the degree of Oakland and Tampa.

 

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33 minutes ago, Wings said:

The Montreal Ex-Rays. 

Absolutely brilliant.

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3 minutes ago, rmc523 said:

 

The Angels have been discussing a new park, but hardly a stadium issue.  The D'backs, like Atlanta seems like they want a new park just to have a new park.  Their park is only what, 20 years old?  Again, hardly a stadium issue to the degree of Oakland and Tampa.

 

 

It seems like the D-Backs want what the Cardinals have: a shiny new house to play in.

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18 minutes ago, GDAWG said:

 

... it took 20 years for Dallas to get three teams. 

 

Technically speaking, it took Dallas seven years to get three teams.

Dallas Cowboys / National Football League / 1960-present
Dallas Chaparrals / American Basketball Association / 1967-1970, 1971-1973
Dallas Tornado / United Soccer Association-North American Soccer League / 1967-1981

You really shouldn't dismiss the Chaparrals and Tornado. The Chaps spent 5 campaigns (six, when you count their 1970-71 season split between Dallas, Fort Worth, and Lubbock) in a league that lasted 9 seasons and forced a merger with the NBA. As for the Tornado, they played 15 seasons competing at what was the top tier of professional soccer in the United States and Canada at the time.

We now return you to discussion of Major League Baseball's asinine Tampa Bay-Montréal 2-city "solution", already in progress.   

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4 minutes ago, Brian in Boston said:

 

Technically speaking, it took Dallas seven years to get three teams.

Dallas Cowboys / National Football League / 1960-present
Dallas Chaparrals / American Basketball Association / 1967-1970, 1971-1973
Dallas Tornado / United Soccer Association-North American Soccer League / 1967-1981

You really shouldn't dismiss the Chaparrals and Tornado. The Chaps spent 5 campaigns (six, when you count their 1970-71 season split between Dallas, Fort Worth, and Lubbock) in a league that lasted 9 seasons and forced a merger with the NBA. As for the Tornado, they played 15 seasons competing at what was the top tier of professional soccer in the United States and Canada at the time.  

 

I meant NFL (Cowboys in 1960), MLB (Rangers in 1972) and NBA (Mavericks in 1980) among the leagues still around today.  Plus the Stars didn't arrive until 1993 and FC Dallas didn't arrive until 1996.

 

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i love the idea. i cant think of a bolder idea for a single team in sports history. this would be absolutley wild and im hoping they actually pull it off. 

 

but, theres a lot of logistics to work out. i mean, theres 200+ employees that work for franchises and it makes it all the harder when you’re in 2 different countries. where is home? is the business going to be split in 2? are employees going to travel as well? will they be paying employees in 2 different countries? the taxes and healthcare differences, it all sounds like an absolute HR nightmare...but its one hell of an exciting story

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5 minutes ago, BrandMooreArt said:

i love the idea. i cant think of a bolder idea for a single team in sports history. this would be absolutley wild and im hoping they actually pull it off. 

 

but, theres a lot of logistics to work out. i mean, theres 200+ employees that work for franchises and it makes it all the harder when you’re in 2 different countries. where is home? is the business going to be split in 2? are employees going to travel as well? will they be paying employees in 2 different countries? the taxes and healthcare differences, it all sounds like an absolute HR nightmare...but its one hell of an exciting story

 

It sounds like a fast path to a contraction draft and players walking out on the team. It’s an insult to both the Tampa Bay Area and Montréal. 

 

Anybody who who thinks this is a good idea needs a few punches from Viachezlav Datsik. Heck, even Datsik would say it’s a terrible idea, and I’m pretty sure he has like two brain cells left after his MMA career and time in Russian prison. 

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25 minutes ago, Scrumptious Ham said:

Why would anyone in Tampa go to a game after this? This will either end with a stadium in Tampa, or the Rays moving to Montreal full time.

I’m sure that’s the plan. They want attendance in Tampa Bay to plummet, while Montreal’s will be high because they got their team back, even if for just half a season. Ownership then uses those attendance numbers to justify a full move to Montreal, claiming that they “gave Tampa a chance”.

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As ridiculous as this whole thing is, I'm super excited to see how this works out. We could see a successful split team for the first time in like 40-ish years, or (the much more likely scenario), the team crashes and burns, ruins any goodwill Tampa had left regarding the team, maybe Montreal as well, then relocates to either Montreal, Charlotte, or Portland. Wonderful!

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29 minutes ago, GDAWG said:

I meant NFL (Cowboys in 1960), MLB (Rangers in 1972) and NBA (Mavericks in 1980) among the leagues still around today.  Plus the Stars didn't arrive until 1993 and FC Dallas didn't arrive until 1996.


Well, in any event. Las Vegas won't be the first city to land franchises in the leagues we now regard as major professional in rapid-fire succession. After all, if you're only going to regard American Football League franchises as joining the ranks of top-tier pro sports when the full AFL merger with the NFL took place, then...

Buffalo Bills / NFL / 1970
Buffalo Braves / NBA / 1970
Buffalo Sabres / NHL / 1970

BOOM!!! Three franchises in three of the so-called "Big Four" North American pro sports leagues in one fell swoop.

Similarly... 

San Diego Rockets / NBA / 1967
San Diego Padres / MLB / 1969
San Diego Chargers / NFL / 1970
(That's three years to land three franchises in the "Big Four".)

Kansas City Royals / MLB / 1969
Kansas City Chiefs / NFL / 1970
Kansas City-Omaha Kings / NBA / 1972
Kansas City Scouts / NHL / 1974
(Five years to land teams in all of the "Big Four" leagues.)

Denver Broncos / NFL / 1970
Denver Nuggets / NBA / 1976
Colorado Rockies / NHL / 1976
(Six years to land three teams amongst the "Big Four".) 






  

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2 hours ago, AstroBull21 said:

If taxes are used, I’d say it’s highly unlikely it’ll be sales tax.  There are hotel taxes and other tourist taxes that would likely be targeted.

 

The Buccaneers burned any chance of using sales tax back in the mid 90s

A 1% hotel tax increase was approved by the Hillsborough County Commissioners two weeks ago to become effective August 1.  It will go from 5 to 6% with those additional revenues to go towards marketing and capital budgets of Raymond James Stadium, Amalie Arena, and tourism bureau marketing (specifically for the Super Bowl).  A car rental tax isn't going to work as even though Tampa International Airport's traffic is up, rental car revenue has fallen due to rideshare apps. 

 

And the Community Investment Tax could be extended since its end coincides within the years of both the current Bucs and Rays lease.  It was secretly on the table late last year. 

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The Rays can talk to Montreal all they want, but the city of St. Pete has already announced any potential move like this violates their lease agreement.

 

I doubt the Rays are going anywhere until at least 2027.

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2 hours ago, GDAWG said:

Huh.....Tampa spent most of the 80's trying to lure Major League Baseball to their city.  They finally get one in 1998 and two decades later, that team wants out. 

 

In retrospect, not a good expansion choice. They’re a distant third favorite in their own market. 

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1 hour ago, GDAWG said:

 

Didn't Pro Player/Joe Robbie/Dolphins/Land Shark/Sun Life/Hard Rock Stadium go through major renovations when the Marlins left?

Yes, it did.

1 hour ago, Magic Dynasty said:

Yes, but I'm not sure if the state paid for it. I was just listing Orlando examples that I know.

No, state money as Ross was rejected in 2013. 

The Miami-Dade County Industrial Development Authority issued the bonds on behalf of the Dolphins, all of which are to be repaid directly by Stephen Ross and the Dolphins. 

 

In addition, the Florida Legislature has another bill for 2019 which would further limit tax payer funded stadiums.

From the story:

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The House Workforce Development & Tourism Subcommittee on Thursday backed a measure (HB 791) that would go further than a similar Senate proposal (SB 414), which would repeal an unused pool of sales-tax dollars intended for building and improving professional sports stadiums.

The House proposal, filed by Rep. Bryan Avila, R-Miami Springs, also would prohibit the use of revenues from tourist-development taxes or convention-development taxes to finance or construct facilities that would be used by sports franchises.

The bill also would remove authority for local governments to spend half-cent sales tax revenues on motorsports entertainment complexes.

To bolster his case, Avila pointed to local spending on Marlins Stadium in Miami and the Legislature’s 2013 rejection of a $350 million funding request by the Miami Dolphins.

 

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1 minute ago, Gothamite said:

 

In retrospect, not a good expansion choice. They’re a distant third favorite in their own market. 

 

The team only exists because of Vince Naimoli’s lawsuit. Either face a $3.5 billion anti-trust lawsuit or give some cheap doofus an expansion team. Also, after blue-balling the market for so long, an expansion team was a half-decent way to save face. Now, we see that the people who doubted the market during the 1980s/90s were right. As I’ve said before, MLB teams, St. Pete politicians/civil servants, and Tampa Bay Area owners killed regular season MLB baseball in the market even before a team could take the field.

 

That’s the impression I got, anyway.

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2 hours ago, GDAWG said:

Don't the Angels and Diamondbacks have stadium issues themselves?  I am thinking that the Angels will at least remain in the Los Angeles area. 

 

Diamondback issues are completely fabricated. The BoB is still a great modern park with all the modern bull :censored:. 

 

Angels aren't leaving LA so they don’t have an issue so much as a desire for a new ballpark.

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