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Carli Lloyd deserves the same opportunity as anyone else, and should be evaluated and held to the same standard as everyone.  I genuinely hope she can do it - it's always great to see someone break down barriers, and she's a local girl, however I'm very skeptical.

 

1. She's admitted that she's not sure if she can kick with the 'normal' 2-step run-up, and has acknowledged that the way she kicked at Eagles practice isn't practical in a game.  To her credit, she's very self aware and will be practicing all of this for the next year.

 

2.  If she's willing to put her body out there to make tackles, then she should have that opportunity, however I don't care that she's wearing a uniform, I'd have a hard time lowering my shoulder into her if I'm blocking her, or running her over if I'm a KR and she's the last person in my way.  I guess that's more on "my" end to get over, but it just seems like it would be hard for me to treat her as "just" another player who I'm allowed to crush, vs a woman that no man should attack.  It's entirely possible that this isn't a real scenario and once on the field she'd be just like anyone else, but from behind my keyboard, I would think it'd be tough on other players.

 

3.  None of that matters if she's only a FG / XP specialist, and there's another KO kicker.  That being said, who carries two kickers anymore (last I can think of is either the Eagles back in the late '90s), and how would she (or anyone, for that matter) be that much better than the KO guy to warrant an extra roster spot?

 

4.  There's hundreds of guys that can kick 55-yard FGs, but fewer than 32 are legitimately able to do it in NFL games in NFL situations.  She would very clearly not be phased by pressure or a crowd - she's a freaking multi-time World Cup champion, so a raucous 60k crowd wouldn't bother her one bit, so she might have an edge over most of the other non-NFL kickers with strong legs.

 

5.  The "standard" these days is closer to 60 rather than 50, but there's no reason right now to think that she couldn't do that.  Just that if she was anyone else, a 55 yard FG wouldn't get much notice.  Doesn't mean she cannot make it, but it also doesn't mean that she can.

 

Like I said, I really do hope she can do it, and if there's any woman that can, it's her.  Based on her local connections, she's been on local news and her highlights are shown all the time, so I almost feel like I "know" her - I just think that the hype is very premature, and the odds aren't in her favour, regardless of penis or no, and I fear that in the likely event that she doesn't make it, it'll be viewed by many as a subjectively-sexist decision, rather than based on objective measures.

 

 

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2 hours ago, BringBackTheVet said:

Carli Lloyd deserves the same opportunity as anyone else, and should be evaluated and held to the same standard as everyone.  I genuinely hope she can do it - it's always great to see someone break down barriers, and she's a local girl, however I'm very skeptical.

 

1. She's admitted that she's not sure if she can kick with the 'normal' 2-step run-up, and has acknowledged that the way she kicked at Eagles practice isn't practical in a game.  To her credit, she's very self aware and will be practicing all of this for the next year.

 

2.  If she's willing to put her body out there to make tackles, then she should have that opportunity, however I don't care that she's wearing a uniform, I'd have a hard time lowering my shoulder into her if I'm blocking her, or running her over if I'm a KR and she's the last person in my way.  I guess that's more on "my" end to get over, but it just seems like it would be hard for me to treat her as "just" another player who I'm allowed to crush, vs a woman that no man should attack.  It's entirely possible that this isn't a real scenario and once on the field she'd be just like anyone else, but from behind my keyboard, I would think it'd be tough on other players.

 

3.  None of that matters if she's only a FG / XP specialist, and there's another KO kicker.  That being said, who carries two kickers anymore (last I can think of is either the Eagles back in the late '90s), and how would she (or anyone, for that matter) be that much better than the KO guy to warrant an extra roster spot?

 

4.  There's hundreds of guys that can kick 55-yard FGs, but fewer than 32 are legitimately able to do it in NFL games in NFL situations.  She would very clearly not be phased by pressure or a crowd - she's a freaking multi-time World Cup champion, so a raucous 60k crowd wouldn't bother her one bit, so she might have an edge over most of the other non-NFL kickers with strong legs.

 

5.  The "standard" these days is closer to 60 rather than 50, but there's no reason right now to think that she couldn't do that.  Just that if she was anyone else, a 55 yard FG wouldn't get much notice.  Doesn't mean she cannot make it, but it also doesn't mean that she can.

 

Like I said, I really do hope she can do it, and if there's any woman that can, it's her.  Based on her local connections, she's been on local news and her highlights are shown all the time, so I almost feel like I "know" her - I just think that the hype is very premature, and the odds aren't in her favour, regardless of penis or no, and I fear that in the likely event that she doesn't make it, it'll be viewed by many as a subjectively-sexist decision, rather than based on objective measures.

 

 

 

She should be a field goal specialist, honestly. Otherwise, the first time a player lays her out on a kickoff is going to be her most memorable moment. It is undeniable that most average men are stronger, bigger and faster than most average women. There are always exceptions, of course, but the NFL is the last place you'd find men that are weak, small and slow.

 

But, if she can kick field goals like any man can, she should get a shot to do that.

 

I think there's a much better chance of a transwoman making an NFL roster simply because they still retain the body structure of a man and are more likely to be able to compete with men.

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Black America:  Kaepernick is still not on a roster

 

The NFL:  We're not all bad, look Meek Mill!

 

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15 minutes ago, AustinFomBoston said:

Any reason she couldn’t also try doing Punts? 

 

She'd have to chase down the returner and setting up an instance where she can be clobbered. I'd rather not see a 5'7" 141 lb woman get clobbered by some 6'4" 300 lb beast of a man personally.

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On 8/27/2019 at 10:37 PM, Red Comet said:

 

As someone who remembers having Dwayne Bowe as a "star" receiver, no, you do not want your players getting stoned on a constant basis. A bowl before bedtime? Sure.

 

But I'd hate to be a gambler in an environment where a team could be greened out before kickoff and you have no idea until you see the quarterback picking at the turf after getting plowed into it after the lineman looked at their three-point stance too long.

 

There's a solution to this problem you know.

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1 hour ago, Red Comet said:

 

She should be a field goal specialist, honestly. Otherwise, the first time a player lays her out on a kickoff is going to be her most memorable moment. It is undeniable that most average men are stronger, bigger and faster than most average women. There are always exceptions, of course, but the NFL is the last place you'd find men that are weak, small and slow.

 

But, if she can kick field goals like any man can, she should get a shot to do that.

 

I think there's a much better chance of a transwoman making an NFL roster simply because they still retain the body structure of a man and are more likely to be able to compete with men.

 

Man, I can't even imagine the absolute meltdown that would cause among the mouth breathing dolt contingency of NFL fans. I'd love to see it, though. 

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6 minutes ago, rams80 said:

 

There's a solution to this problem you know.

 

I don't gamble myself but the more it gets legalized (sports gambling and weed), the more influence gambling will have on the NFL. And the more influence anything has, the more likely you have to listen to it.

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4 minutes ago, Bucfan56 said:

 

Man, I can't even imagine the absolute meltdown that would cause among the mouth breathing dolt contingency of NFL fans. I'd love to see it, though. 

 

Would be interesting, that's for sure. Sorry for the double-post, but your quote came in right as I posted the response to rams80.

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17 minutes ago, Red Comet said:

 

She'd have to chase down the returner and setting up an instance where she can be clobbered. I'd rather not see a 5'7" 141 lb woman get clobbered by some 6'4" 300 lb beast of a man personally.

Wouldn’t that be the same problem if her FG or XP were blocked and returned? 

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1 minute ago, AustinFomBoston said:

Wouldn’t that be the same problem if her FG or XP were blocked and returned? 

 

It would but there's a much lower chance of having to work coverage on a blocked FG/PAT then there is for a punt. 

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37 minutes ago, AustinFomBoston said:

Any reason she couldn’t also try doing Punts? 

 

She doesn't need to punt in soccer or train for punting.  NFL punting is a totally different skill than kicking, and she'd have absolutely no advantage over anyone who has done that.  Punters are far easier to find than kickers.

 

1 hour ago, Red Comet said:

 

She should be a field goal specialist, honestly. Otherwise, the first time a player lays her out on a kickoff is going to be her most memorable moment. It is undeniable that most average men are stronger, bigger and faster than most average women. There are always exceptions, of course, but the NFL is the last place you'd find men that are weak, small and slow.

 

There are kickers now that are the same height and within 20lbs of her.  Obvously bodies are different, but she's not much smaller than a typical kicker.  Hell - Darren Sproles is a RB that's not that much bigger than her (NOT advocating for her to try out for RB, just saying.)

 

19 minutes ago, Red Comet said:

 

She'd have to chase down the returner and setting up an instance where she can be clobbered. I'd rather not see a 5'7" 141 lb woman get clobbered by some 6'4" 300 lb beast of a man personally.

 

Me too, but see above.

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Ryan Fitzpatrick to start for Miami in week one.  How long do you think that is going to last?  I say he lasts week 4.

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17 minutes ago, GDAWG said:

Ryan Fitzpatrick to start for Miami in week one.  How long do you think that is going to last?  I say he lasts week 4.

I'd say it would depend on how he looks vs Washington. If they were 0-4 against the Cowboys, Chargers, Ravens and Patriots they would be about where people expect them to be. 

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12 hours ago, BringBackTheVet said:

 

3.  None of that matters if she's only a FG / XP specialist, and there's another KO kicker.  That being said, who carries two kickers anymore (last I can think of is either the Eagles back in the late '90s), and how would she (or anyone, for that matter) be that much better than the KO guy to warrant an extra roster spot?

The Bills had a kickoff guy within the last five years, in order to get a touchback almost every time. I agree, though, that she better be really damn accurate if she expects a roster spot without doing kickoffs. Of course I want her to make a roster for a full season, but I feel like it will end up like Manon Rheaume... She'll go 1-2 in one preseason game, and that will be it.

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Here's the thing about Carly, her agent/spokesperson claims that her plans are for 2020, but there is one BIG issue.. 

The 2020 Summer Olympics

 

The 2020 Tokyo Games will run from July 24-August 9.  If healthy, she cannot NOT play in the Olympics as the money is too great.  She'll likely miss two weeks of camp and all timing with a snapper and holder while playing that tournament. 

 

Also, she'll be 38 next fall. 

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4 minutes ago, dfwabel said:

 

Also, she'll be 38 next fall. 

Oh my. I know nothing about soccer, but is a 38YO a good bet for the Olympic roster?

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21 minutes ago, Cosmic said:

Oh my. I know nothing about soccer, but is a 38YO a good bet for the Olympic roster?

They'll have a new coach next summer, but s/he will still have to "play the hits" in domestic games in major stadiums. She makes them money

 

Possible downside for Lloyd in 2020 is that USWNT now has its first ever General Manager in former player and '99er, Kate Markgraf. roster. She may have final say in the roster, but who knows. 

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