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Rumor: Buccaneers to Get New Uniforms??

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14 hours ago, Ice_Cap said:

Shameless plug, but I put my thoughts on the Bucs into concept form.

 

 

It has a Tampa Bay Bandits vibe to it. I like it!

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7 minutes ago, jmac11281 said:

It has a Tampa Bay Bandits vibe to it. I like it!

Thanks!

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14 hours ago, simtek34 said:

Not exactly Vapor Untouchable, but here's how to looked in 2013 on the Nike Speed Machine Elite 51 Template. And I don't know if its the lighting, but the Pewter Pants actually look really good, despite being Matte rather than Dazzle Material. (Excuse the ****load of pictures)

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Also,I used 2013 rather than 2012 Pictures, so that it wouldn't have the Toilet Seat Collar. The Buccaneers had the Ugly Flywire Black/Red Collar that sucked, along with half the league back then.

 

That's not quite true. Even though the Bucs shifted to the new Nike template for the jerseys, they actually kept the older shiny Reebok pants and just put the Nike logos on them. This is similar to what the Packers, Raiders, and Cowboys did. Some of those pictures make the pants look a bit more matte than what they were, but they're definitely still the older, shiny pants. 

 

The original plan had the Bucs actually shift to using the white pants full time because Nike couldn't reproduce the look. The team instead just ordered a bulk stock of the old pants (I assume, anyway) and modified them to comply with the new Nike contract. 

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12 hours ago, Volt said:

 

Thanks, I forgot that they wore these for 2 years in Nike.

 

Seeing them makes me recant my statement.  They don’t look bad, just dated in a plain, dull 90’s way.  

 

The current uniform and especially helmet look slightly better.  It’s just the damn alarm clock number font that screws it up, and that’s where my opinion finishes up on the Bucs.

The current uniform and especially helmet are massive downgrades.. the helmet color now looks odd - particularly with the silver facemask, and the uniforms are a trainwreck.. the matte brownish-grey yokes with asymmetrical sleeve logos are overdesigned garbage, and "iconic jaws of husky stadium" are fad-chasing gimmicks that look awful.. the triple-outlined, reflective, alarm clock numbers may be the worst detail ever included on a football uniform.. the Super Bowl set was a modem classic and looked fantastic and professional.. the current set looks like a college team and an arena team had a one-night-stand.. 

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Both the Buccaneers' and Snatit's uniforms are prime examples of what happens in Beaverton when their good idea fairy gets let loose unbridled on unsuspecting team brass who get wooed and swooshkatoosed.  And if that doesn't make any sense, well...neither do either of their uniforms, so there you go.

 

Also, regarding Antonio Bryant's tweet above, from the story in which that tweet is imbedded... 

 

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Bryant isn’t exactly a big fan of the team’s current jerseys, and thinks the old school creamsicle jerseys should be revived.
 

 

 

Not that Antonio Bryant was anything special for Tampa, but still...just sayin'

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FWIW, I checked into the materials for pants (since we're on the topic of Tampa Bay and pewter and dazzle/matte, etc), and found some interesting info..

I previously posted a photo of our (Newberry College) new silver pants that have a nice dazzle sheen to them, and there was some discussion/debate regarding "performance" materials and what Nike (+Adidas & UA) could produce, so I decided to compare tags from a known "dazzle" garment (our pants) to known matte garments (UA pants and Nike pants).. 

Interestingly, our Adidas pants and the UA pants I had are both EXACTLY the same.. 92% nylon 8% spandex.. the Nike pants were 88% nylon 12% spandex.. 

So, while I realize that 4% difference in composition and possible differences in manufacturing process might account for some slight variation in sheen, I think it's reasonable to assume Nike could produce a performance fabric that is at least roughly 96% as shiny as our new Adidas pants (which are very much like the old "dazzle" pants).. 

So, my opinion is now reinforced that Nike is simply chasing trends and dads with this whole "matte" fabric kick they've been on recently.. 

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This is fun and all but there is no rumor of them getting new uniforms.

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3 hours ago, WavePunter said:

FWIW, I checked into the materials for pants (since we're on the topic of Tampa Bay and pewter and dazzle/matte, etc), and found some interesting info..

I previously posted a photo of our (Newberry College) new silver pants that have a nice dazzle sheen to them, and there was some discussion/debate regarding "performance" materials and what Nike (+Adidas & UA) could produce, so I decided to compare tags from a known "dazzle" garment (our pants) to known matte garments (UA pants and Nike pants).. 

Interestingly, our Adidas pants and the UA pants I had are both EXACTLY the same.. 92% nylon 8% spandex.. the Nike pants were 88% nylon 12% spandex.. 

So, while I realize that 4% difference in composition and possible differences in manufacturing process might account for some slight variation in sheen, I think it's reasonable to assume Nike could produce a performance fabric that is at least roughly 96% as shiny as our new Adidas pants (which are very much like the old "dazzle" pants).. 

So, my opinion is now reinforced that Nike is simply chasing trends and dads with this whole "matte" fabric kick they've been on recently.. 

What’s the weight difference, in high school the JV team would wear the old uniforms adidas uniforms which were dazzle material, vs the varsity team which wore speed machine Nike template and the weight of the materials was incredibly different.  

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15 hours ago, Buc said:

...prime examples of what happens in Beaverton when their good idea fairy gets let loose unbridled on unsuspecting team brass who get wooed and swooshkatoosed...

 

Can we make "swooshkatoosed" a thing?

 

 

4 hours ago, WavePunter said:

I think it's reasonable to assume Nike could produce a performance fabric that is at least roughly 96% as shiny as our new Adidas pants (which are very much like the old "dazzle" pants).

 

It's more than reasonable... It's a straight up fact.  The current insistence on matte over dazzle fabrics is 1000 percent fashion and market-speak.

 

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Yeah. Who here really thinks Nike can't make dazzle football pants? Really? Of course they can. They just choose not to. 

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Again, it comes down to this:

 

On one side of the scale is a shiny pair of pants.

 

On the other side of the scale is a matte pair of pants that weigh half as much.

 

Players will choose the latter 99% of the time, and that’s why football pants are the way they are.

 

I wonder if there were people in the 1950s and 60s lamenting how the beautiful wool athletic uniforms were being replaced by “trendy” mesh, nylon, and shiny synthetics. 😂

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3 minutes ago, andrewharrington said:

Again, it comes down to this:

 

On one side of the scale is a shiny pair of pants.

 

On the other side of the scale is a matte pair of pants that weigh half as much.

 

Players will choose the latter 99% of the time, and that’s why football pants are the way they are.

 

Judging by the material composition post earlier, I don’t think it can be that different. Not by the factors that you’re saying. 

 

3 minutes ago, andrewharrington said:

I wonder if there were people in the 1950s and 60s lamenting how the beautiful wool athletic uniforms were being replaced by “trendy” mesh, nylon, and shiny synthetics. 😂

 

The look didn’t change that much, compared to teams with metallic shades that switched over to matte. This was a fundamental alteration in the look.

 

TOW THE COMPANY LINE, AS WE’RE COUNTRY BUMPKINS WHO CAN’T COMPARE TO YOUR BRILLIANCE, MR. APPAREL COMPANY MAN!!!!!

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15 minutes ago, andrewharrington said:

Again, it comes down to this:

 

On one side of the scale is a shiny pair of pants.

 

On the other side of the scale is a matte pair of pants that weigh half as much.

 

Players will choose the latter 99% of the time, and that’s why football pants are the way they are.

This presumes that lighter shiny football pants are outside the realm of possibility.

Seems silly to suggest given the advancements already made in the field of textiles. 

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32 minutes ago, andrewharrington said:

Again, it comes down to this:

 

On one side of the scale is a shiny pair of pants.

 

On the other side of the scale is a matte pair of pants that weigh half as much.

 

Players will choose the latter 99% of the time, and that’s why football pants are the way they are.

 

I wonder if there were people in the 1950s and 60s lamenting how the beautiful wool athletic uniforms were being replaced by “trendy” mesh, nylon, and shiny synthetics. 😂

 

"Half as much"?  That's what you're going with?  

 

That's just stupid.

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Even the Sharks kept their bragging in the single digits.

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2 hours ago, SFGiants58 said:

 

Judging by the material composition post earlier, I don’t think it can be that different. Not by the factors that you’re saying. 

 

 

The look didn’t change that much, compared to teams with metallic shades that switched over to matte. This was a fundamental alteration in the look.

 

TOW THE COMPANY LINE, AS WE’RE COUNTRY BUMPKINS WHO CAN’T COMPARE TO YOUR BRILLIANCE, MR. APPAREL COMPANY MAN!!!!!


I wouldn’t be shocked that weaving techniques to make a shiny fabric require far more material by quantity to make a durable fabric.

 

the error with your logic is that you presume 90some% and 88% use the same volume of material to make the fabric.

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I can confirm no uni change for the 2020 season but hopefully for the 2021 season. 

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Curious why dazzle fabric has to weigh more.  Is it because the "shine" is like a coating around each thread and therefore adds some weight?  Please explain the science behind this - I'm legitimately curious.

 

If it is because the threads really are heavier, then maybe there's a "satin" option which would be a ratio of 3:1 (or something) flat to dazzle threads.

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2 minutes ago, BringBackTheVet said:

Curious why dazzle fabric has to weigh more.  Is it because the "shine" is like a coating around each thread and therefore adds some weight?  Please explain the science behind this - I'm legitimately curious.

 

If it is because the threads really are heavier, then maybe there's a "satin" option which would be a ratio of 3:1 (or something) flat to dazzle threads.

I don’t know, I just know there was a significant weight difference. And when I looked at the knit pattern the dazzle twill looked like a double knit pattern, vs the matte that had more of a regular knit that wasn’t as thick kinda matched the same pattern as a regular polo. I don’t know if dazzle could be knit in the same way and this was 10 years ago. I assume it was knit the way it was to show off the dazzle better but that’s just a guess.  I don’t know what advancements they have made in the 10 years since I wore those dazzle uniforms to make them significantly lighter like the did the speed machine ones we wore the next year but if they did I’d be all for it.

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