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17 minutes ago, DG_ThenNowForever said:

 

No, the documentary was approved to move forward in June 2016, right after LeBron won the title over the 73-9 Warriors. The point was for Jordan to make sure he wasn't forgotten by the next generation of basketball fans.

 

Did it work? Don't know; a lot of that footage is awesome for guys in their 30s and up. I'm not sure about the resonance for people who never had MJ but did have Kobe and LeBron.

It worked. Me and my friends that were only alive when he played for the Wizards and were too young to even remember that have all been talking about the James v Jordan debate for years. After watching The Last Dance we appreciate Jordan better and now only 1 friend out of the 15ish in the debate think James is the GOAT

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Just finished up the 10th episode. Pretty good stuff. I'm glad they gave the 1998 Indiana Pacers their due respect. Those late 90's/early 00's Pacers teams were among my all-time favorites, and they, the Jazz, and a few other squads that could've won rings in different eras all fell victim to playing in the Jordan/Kobe era.

 

Jordan is a unique individual. There's no way most atheletes could handle the scope of worldwide popularity that Jordan had. The media presence alone looked inhuman, on the scale of Michael Jackson for the time, but then the expectations were beyond immense, even as he was at the extent of his powers.

 

We probably won't see another cultural presence like Jordan again in our lifetimes. The social media and internet era we live in now can rarely ever perpetuate culture to the extent that it did back then, as people's interests and commonalities rarely line up or overlap. Billions of people on Earth knew and still know Michael Jordan in a Chicago Bulls uniform.

 

Guy's liver is shot though.  His eyes were golden.  Decades of pounding cigars and drinking on the golf course is working its magic.

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1 hour ago, Maroon&Gold said:

It worked. Me and my friends that were only alive when he played for the Wizards and were too young to even remember that have all been talking about the James v Jordan debate for years. After watching The Last Dance we appreciate Jordan better and now only 1 friend out of the 15ish in the debate think James is the GOAT

 

How do you really debate who was better when you didn't really watch one of them play, though?

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1 hour ago, Maroon&Gold said:

It worked. Me and my friends that were only alive when he played for the Wizards and were too young to even remember that have all been talking about the James v Jordan debate for years. After watching The Last Dance we appreciate Jordan better and now only 1 friend out of the 15ish in the debate think James is the GOAT

 

Well there you go! Jordan's always been great at managing his brand. Probably the best ever at it.

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30 minutes ago, See Red said:

 

How do you really debate who was better when you didn't really watch one of them play, though?

Stats, championships, rumors, stuff we were told by our older siblings/parents. We aren't too serious about it because we're football/hockey fans

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I enjoyed The Last Dance. It wasn't revelatory in any way, sure, and the Krause bullying was a little much. But it was a nice reminder of the fun and excitement and yes, even some good basketball in that era. It's also nice for the NBA to get some of that NFL Films cinematic retelling treatment.

 

It obviously helped the documentary that it ended up being dropped into this bizarro vacuum. I don't know that it was interesting enough to hold up viewer interest for 10 weeks, but condensing it into 5 was probably better. And of course the whole desperation for any nice sports content and the desire for nostalgia at this time helped, too.

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Krause was really good at making trades and complementary free-agent signings, but for someone who prided himself on being Scouty McScoutington, the guy really whiffed on a ton of drafts. He was able to wriggle out of most of those during the Jordan years, but once he cleared the books and couldn't swing key trades without having to give up, say, Ron Artest or Elton Brand, then the magic was sort of gone. Reinsdorf has done a fine job of making himself out to be the benevolent patriarch now that Krause is dead, but we all know Jerry was not lamenting What Could Have Been during those years where 22,000 people off the waiting list were selling out the United Center to go see Elton Brand. 

 

But of course, Krause's real undoing was being a physically hideous man who was rude to the media. Consider that Theo Epstein also pretty much told his last coach that he could go undefeated and still be f-cking gone, but no one made a monster out of Theo because he's handsome, pleasant, and well-educated. And while fantasy sports have normalized the general-manager-as-ruthless-utilitarian concept, where all fans now see players as assets and spreadsheet cells to be bartered, leveraged, or disposed of, Krause didn't even come at that from the accepted angle: he wasn't some Ivy League MBA wunderkind who radiates born superiority, he was just a fat slob from Chicago who hung out in obscure college gyms trying to show people up. Pursuing an adversarial relationship with the most famous and beloved man in the world was a thousand times as dumb as finding Toni Kukoc was smart.

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Former Utah Jazz coach Jerry Sloan has died.

 

Crazy. I just watched the part of the Jordan documentary he was in earlier this week and wondered to myself what he had been doing since leaving the Jazz. RIP. 

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6 minutes ago, FiddySicks said:

Former Utah Jazz coach Jerry Sloan has died.

 

Crazy. I just watched the part of the Jordan documentary he was in earlier this week and wondered to myself what he had been doing since leaving the Jazz. RIP. 


That sucks. I know Karl Malone was saying that Sloan wasn’t doing so well, but I didn’t think he’d pass so soon. I knew Jerry was dealing with Parkinson’s in the last few years, but I haven’t heard much else since then.

 

 

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RIP to Jerry Sloan. This one really stings, even if I personally kind of braced for it knowing he hadn’t been in good shape for a while. He’d been the only Jazz coach I knew for the first 20 years of my life, and he is absolutely beloved here. The applause he’d get when he’d show up to regular season or summer league games (as much as his recent health would permit) was as loud as if the Jazz had just hit a big shot. I think a lot of us Jazz fans feel like we’ve just lost a longtime friend.
 

Rest easy, Coach. 

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27 minutes ago, DustDevil61 said:


That sucks. I know Karl Malone was saying that Sloan wasn’t doing so well, but I didn’t think he’d pass so soon. I knew Jerry was dealing with Parkinson’s in the last few years, but I haven’t heard much else since then.

 

 

have not watch the series about the 1998 Bulls yet (seen parts here and there but have not sat down to watch it from start to finish) but i wish they could have gotten some kind of interview with him (Sloan*) (did they by the way). 

*depending on how bad he was (maybe getting his kids to help)

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5 minutes ago, goalieboy82 said:

have not watch the series about the 1998 Bulls yet (seen parts here and there but have not sat down to watch it from start to finish) but i wish they could have gotten some kind of interview with him (Sloan*) (did they by the way). 

*depending on how bad he was (maybe getting his kids to help)

 

He was dealing with severe dementia, so likely wouldn't have made much of an interview.

This is from last summer.

 

https://www.sltrib.com/sports/2019/07/16/monson-pay-sweet-silent/

 

Here's what the Jazz have put up on social media

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10 minutes ago, Foxxtrot44 said:

 

 

He was dealing with severe dementia, so likely wouldn't have made much of an interview.

This is from last summer.

 

https://www.sltrib.com/sports/2019/07/16/monson-pay-sweet-silent/

 

Here's what the Jazz have put up on social media

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thanks, it would have been nice them to get a good interview of him (when they were able to, maybe 4 or 5 years ago).  

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11 minutes ago, Foxxtrot44 said:

 

Here's what the Jazz have put up on social media

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I love that. A John Deere cap is definitely a Sloan thing. Great tribute graphic.

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In honor of Jerry Sloan, I figured that this would be as good a tribute as any to post:

 

 

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Bump, since eventually we'll be talking NBA again.

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Avery Bradley, Devis Bertans and Trevor Ariza are passing on NBA season 2.0.

 

It'll be interesting to see who replaces and who joins them.

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The first two games of the restart will be on TNT with New Orleans taking on Utah and then the Battle for Los Angeles (in Orlando)

 

I'm wondering with some of the tip off times... how many arenas are there in the Disney Wide World of Sports Complex?

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16 hours ago, Seadragon76 said:

The first two games of the restart will be on TNT with New Orleans taking on Utah and then the Battle for Los Angeles (in Orlando)

 

I'm wondering with some of the tip off times... how many arenas are there in the Disney Wide World of Sports Complex?

There are three arenas, each of which can have multiple courts (although I doubt they’ll have two games at once in the same arena).

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