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22 hours ago, -kj said:

 

I only moved here a few months before the pandemic hit, but I've said multiple times that San Jose feels like a big strip mall.

I've never been but generally speaking that tends to be what happens when a city sees a rapid expansion in population/economy/infrastructure etc.

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On 5/14/2021 at 6:02 PM, tp49 said:

No corporate base to draw from, no stadium site, no political will to build a stadium suitable for an MLB team, and murderous summer temperatures just to name a few reason why not.

 

Could Sutter Health Park be upgraded to MLB standards?

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19 hours ago, Chromatic said:

I've never been but generally speaking that tends to be what happens when a city sees a rapid expansion in population/economy/infrastructure etc.

 

Toronto and Vancouver are notable exceptions, which built up more than they built out (though the GTA sprawls quite a bit as well). 

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2 hours ago, Joke Insurance said:

 

Could Sutter Health Park be upgraded to MLB standards?

No, supposedly it can't at least not capacity wise.  Also doesn't overcome any of the other issues with the market to make Sacramento viable for MLB.

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Vegas is rapidly becoming the sports hub of hubs. Already has the NFL, NHL & WNBA. Cramming in the Pac-12, NBA, MLB & possibly MLS in the next few years. With Super Bowls, All-Star Games & Wrestlemania to come. 

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6 hours ago, Wings said:

Vegas is rapidly becoming the sports hub of hubs. Already has the NFL, NHL & WNBA. Cramming in the Pac-12, NBA, MLB & possibly MLS in the next few years. With Super Bowls, All-Star Games & Wrestlemania to come. 

 

With a regional population of (not even) 2.5 million expected to support all of it, a high number of them being off-hours hospo workers.

 

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9 hours ago, the admiral said:

 

Toronto and Vancouver are notable exceptions, which built up more than they built out (though the GTA sprawls quite a bit as well). 

 

Toronto's skyline has drastically changed over the past 20 years. You see tall condos go up in the other burrows and suburbs,  like Mississauga, as well. But the other suburbs are still sprawling like crazy. Unfortunately we have trouble trying to keep up with the transportation infrastructure.

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5 hours ago, who do you think said:

 

With a regional population of (not even) 2.5 million expected to support all of it, a high number of them being off-hours hospo workers.

 

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I think they're counting on the out of towners to come in and watch. It works well for football, ideally, but I can't see a setup that requires fans of the visiting team to help fill the ballpark. In Arizona in February, it works because it's spring training baseball and people are avoiding the cold weather. But for a sport that runs during the hottest parts of the year that's a lot harder to do on a daily basis as opposed to a weekly basis. 

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34 minutes ago, MJWalker45 said:

I think they're counting on the out of towners to come in and watch. It works well for football, ideally, but I can't see a setup that requires fans of the visiting team to help fill the ballpark. In Arizona in February, it works because it's spring training baseball and people are avoiding the cold weather. But for a sport that runs during the hottest parts of the year that's a lot harder to do on a daily basis as opposed to a weekly basis. 

Agreed. I'm not a "Vegas guy."  Been there once (for Wisconsin at UNLV) and it wasn't my kind of travel spot.

That said, if I was, going for a Vikings game or making a long weekend for a Thursday Wild game in February?  Sure.  Hitting Vegas to see the Twins in July?  No.

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So Las Vegas is going to take a 2nd franchise from Oakland? The Las Vegas Athletics is a terrible sounding name, just like the Las Vegas Raiders.

 

I know that they just slapped the Raiders name on whichever city would host Oakland's team because the NFL or whoever didn't want to retire that identity. I just don't agree with that decision because there should be better care given to sports brands. The Golden Knights went out of their way to make a stunningly attractive grey jersey and branded every aspect of the franchise to make it stand out and connect with Vegas scenery, including consistent names with their minor league affiliate. The NFL did the total opposite.

 

They should do like the OKC Thunder did and get their own name so that the Sonics could use the name, if they ever return. Same for Oakland, if they're forced to relocate the Athletics. OKC's logo is awful, but at least they got the name part right.

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21 minutes ago, habsfan1 said:

So Las Vegas is going to take a 2nd franchise from Oakland? The Las Vaegas Athletics is a terrible sounding name, just like the Las Vegas Raiders.

 

I know that they just slapped the Raiders name on whichever city would host Oakland's team because the NFL or whoever didn't want to retire that identity. I just don't agree with that decision because there should be better care given to sports brands. The Golden Knights went own of their way to make a stunningly attractive grey jersey and branded every aspect of the franchise to make it stand out and connect with Vegas scenery, including consistent names with their minor league affiliate. The NFL did the total opposite.

 

They should do like the OKC Thunder did and get their own name so that the Sonics could use the name, if they ever return. Same for Oakland, if they're forced to relocate the Athletics. OKC's logo is awful, but at least they got the name part right.

Philadelphia and Kansas City would like to have a word.

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6 hours ago, MJWalker45 said:

I think they're counting on the out of towners to come in and watch. It works well for football, ideally, but I can't see a setup that requires fans of the visiting team to help fill the ballpark. In Arizona in February, it works because it's spring training baseball and people are avoiding the cold weather. But for a sport that runs during the hottest parts of the year that's a lot harder to do on a daily basis as opposed to a weekly basis. 


That works for the NFL, given the low number of games in a season, that most Raiders fans still hail from nearby California, and that, except for the first month or so of the season, the NFL season plays during the cooler months. 
 

The Golden Knights, being the first team in town, have also carved out their spot on the market and have at least 41 home games to fill during the coolest time of the year.

 

I’m not sure that MLB, with at least 81 home games during the heat of the summer, would be the ideal Vegas getaway for baseball fans.

 

 

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1 hour ago, habsfan1 said:

So Las Vegas is going to take a 2nd franchise from Oakland? The Las Vegas Athletics is a terrible sounding name, just like the Las Vegas Raiders.

 

I know that they just slapped the Raiders name on whichever city would host Oakland's team because the NFL or whoever didn't want to retire that identity. I just don't agree with that decision because there should be better care given to sports brands. The Golden Knights went out of their way to make a stunningly attractive grey jersey and branded every aspect of the franchise to make it stand out and connect with Vegas scenery, including consistent names with their minor league affiliate. The NFL did the total opposite.

 

They should do like the OKC Thunder did and get their own name so that the Sonics could use the name, if they ever return. Same for Oakland, if they're forced to relocate the Athletics. OKC's logo is awful, but at least they got the name part right.

 

I understand where you're coming from, but the A's have been the A's for 120 years across 3 cities.

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After looking it up, Philadelphia is their original location. The Philly Athletics does have a decent ring to it, similar to Oakland A's. Kansas City Athletics is a meh name and a short-lived experiment. Royals has a background history that belongs to KC.

 

Because the change was made decades ago, I feel like it works for them. They made it work. I wasn't aware about Philly & KC, until it was pointed out.

 

Vegas being a major pro sports market is as new as you can get. That's why I prefer they come up with a nice modern name fitting for Las Vegas.

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No, they should keep the Athletics name. Also, IIRC the only reason the Supersonics name didn't move to Oklahoma City with the team is because the City of Seattle made a similar agreement to what the City of Cleveland made with Art Modell except apparently the Thunder would hold all the history until the Sonics return to Seattle. Considering that Oakland didn't attempt to do that with Mark Davis vis a vis the Raiders, there is no way that Oakland would do that for the A's. 

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I'm split on keeping the name - on the one hand, it's a legacy team and the name is literally applicable to any city, but on the other hand, a Montreal baseball not named the Expos is heresy. I also generally prefer city-specific branding, but the A's, like the Raiders, are waaaaay past the point of changing the name being a consideration (with the exception of Montreal).

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31 minutes ago, QCS said:

I'm split on keeping the name - on the one hand, it's a legacy team and the name is literally applicable to any city, but on the other hand, a Montreal baseball not named the Expos is heresy. I also generally prefer city-specific branding, but the A's, like the Raiders, are waaaaay past the point of changing the name being a consideration (with the exception of Montreal).

 

The Expos didn't exactly have Browns-level of support prior to being sold to MLB and eventually moving.  I know there's a lot behind the eventual failure of the Expos that goes beyond fan support, but this doesn't strike me as one of those situations where it has to be the original name if a team comes back.

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