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On 5/19/2021 at 6:33 PM, habsfan1 said:

I wasn't aware about Philly & KC, until it was pointed out.

 

The A's have worn throwback uniforms of both their Philadelphia and Kansas City years.

 

10 MLB teams that wore uniforms for a city other than their own |  theScore.comThe A's turn back the clock to 1965 in Kansas City - Mangin Photography  Archive

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I love seeing these throwbacks, and other similar ones both in baseball, such as the Nationals' Expos uniforms and the Orioles' Browns uniforms, and in other sports, such as the Clippers' Buffalo Braves uniforms, the Titans' Houston Oilers uniforms, and the Hurricanes' Hartford Whalers uniforms.  The most important thing about these sorts of throwbacks is the educational opportunity.  There are plenty of fans who find out about a team's history through these events.

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1 hour ago, GDAWG said:

Nice to see Las Vegas is continuing it's delusions of grandeur when it comes to pro sports.

 

That hockey team probably won't get any support when it starts losing. We'll see how long it stays there.

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2 hours ago, DnBronc said:

That hockey team probably won't get any support when it starts losing. We'll see how long it stays there.

I'd be more concerned with the Raiders, honestly. The Golden Knights got to be the first child and happened to come in right at a very important time for locals, so the city has a stronger connection to them then the Raiders, who from what I've seen haven't had the locals enthusiastic at all. If any of the three potential teams is the least likely to move, it'd be the Knights.

 

The Raiders have a history of bouncing from city to city between Oakland and LA. Them bouncing to Vegas and then bouncing somewhere else isn't exactly unfathomable.

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6 hours ago, Ridleylash said:

I'd be more concerned with the Raiders, honestly. The Golden Knights got to be the first child and happened to come in right at a very important time for locals, so the city has a stronger connection to them then the Raiders, who from what I've seen haven't had the locals enthusiastic at all. If any of the three potential teams is the least likely to move, it'd be the Knights.

 

The Raiders have a history of bouncing from city to city between Oakland and LA. Them bouncing to Vegas and then bouncing somewhere else isn't exactly unfathomable.

 

The difference is that the Raiders moved the other times because of stadium issues. They were dissatisfied with the situation in Oakland, then the situation in Los Angeles, and then again in Oakland. In Las Vegas they've finally gotten their fancy new stadium. If they had moved there with the promise of a new stadium while stalling at Sam Boyd Stadium, then they would be a threat to move again.

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We haven't even seen how Las Vegas will truly support the Raiders yet as the pandemic sabotaged their debut season there. 

 

Why the hell are people thinking that they can support the A's and now an NBA team?  

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I wouldn't be concerned about the Raiders in Las Vegas at all.  Ever been on The Strip on a football Sunday?  Nearly everyone walking around is wearing some sort of NFL gear.  The NFL is more conducive to tourism than any of the other major sports and fanbases tend to travel well.  Eight to nine home games a year means that the games are more of an event or tourist attraction, and the nature of Las Vegas being what it is this is the only time it can honestly be said that a team can thrive without huge local support.  Further, the large group of Raider fans still living in the Los Angeles area, and traveled well to Oakland will probably travel to Las Vegas in a similar or greater fashion.  All of this is before we even start talking about locals.  The flashy new stadium walking distance from The Strip also doesn't hurt.

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On 5/23/2021 at 12:52 AM, DnBronc said:

 

That hockey team probably won't get any support when it starts losing. We'll see how long it stays there.

If the Arizona Coyotes have proven anything it's that the NHL will move heaven and Earth to keep a team in the desert. 

 

They will also threaten to move a team in a Canadian city during the press conference to announce said team. 

 

The Golden Knights' fanbase could dry up faster then that stack of cash you set aside for poker in Vegas and the NHL will keep them there until the heat death of the universe. 

 

On 5/23/2021 at 3:10 AM, Ridleylash said:

I'd be more concerned with the Raiders, honestly. The Golden Knights got to be the first child and happened to come in right at a very important time for locals, so the city has a stronger connection to them then the Raiders, who from what I've seen haven't had the locals enthusiastic at all. If any of the three potential teams is the least likely to move, it'd be the Knights.

 

The Raiders have a history of bouncing from city to city between Oakland and LA. Them bouncing to Vegas and then bouncing somewhere else isn't exactly unfathomable.

The Raiders "bouncing" out of Las Vegas is entirely unfathomable because of that state of the art stadium. 

 

And as for Vegas not being enthused for the Raiders...guy. Have you been living under a rock? Their first year in Vegas was the year teams had to play in front of empty stadiums because of a global pandemic. I think we owe both Las Vegas and the Raiders some time before we write that off. 

 

The NFL is, at the end of the day, infinitely more popular in the US than the NHL ever will be. I don't expect the Golden Knights to leave Vegas either (worst case scenario the fanbase collapses and they become a team like the Coyotes, bouncing from schmuck owner to schmuck owner), but between the Raiders and the Knights? I'm betting on the NFL team having the brighter future.

As I would in pretty much every city that has both NFL and NHL teams. 

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On 5/23/2021 at 3:10 AM, Ridleylash said:

I'd be more concerned with the Raiders, honestly. The Golden Knights got to be the first child and happened to come in right at a very important time for locals, so the city has a stronger connection to them then the Raiders, who from what I've seen haven't had the locals enthusiastic at all. If any of the three potential teams is the least likely to move, it'd be the Knights.

 

The Raiders have a history of bouncing from city to city between Oakland and LA. Them bouncing to Vegas and then bouncing somewhere else isn't exactly unfathomable.

 

How did this post get 5 likes?  Let's start:

 

1.  Don't assume that there's much crossover between NHL and NFL fans.  There's plenty of NFL fans that are barely aware of the NHL's existence.  There may be some people who have to decide whether to spend their money on one vs the other, but there's plenty for whom there's no decision to be made because it's NFL or nothing.

 

2.  "the city has a stronger connection to them then the Raiders, who from what I've seen haven't had the locals enthusiastic at all."  LOL, what are you talking about "from what I've seen"?  What have you seen?  In what way do you have your finger on the pulse of the Las Vegas community?  If you're going by 2020 attendance, then Ice Cap already covered it.

 

3.  The locals don't even matter that much for an NFL team's success.  Come 2022, worst case, the stadium will be filled with visiting fans, and the Raiders will still sell gear to some local fans as well as California fans and people who just like the brand.

 

4.  A "history of bouncing from city to city"?  22 years in Oakland, 13 in LA, 25 in Oakland.   I guess 13 years in LA counts as a "bounce" in sports terms, but it's not obscene.  And they were in crap stadiums in both cities, and their moves were driven by the need for stadium improvements... which they no longer have any need for in the foreseeable future.  

 

There's zero chance of the team "bouncing" in fewer than the 13 years they were in Oakland, and if not for what Ice Cap said about the OITGDNHL way that league protects non-traditional markets, I'd bet my house that the Raiders outlast anyone else there.

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Every Southwest plane going from LAX/Burbank/Long Beach/Ontario/John Wayne to Oakland on fall Sundays was chock full of silver and black fans.  Putting the Raiders in an actual resort destination is going to put butts in seats for a long, long time.

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On 5/23/2021 at 8:37 AM, Red Comet said:

We haven't even seen how Las Vegas will truly support the Raiders yet as the pandemic sabotaged their debut season there. 

 

Why the hell are people thinking that they can support the A's and now an NBA team?  

 

Because Las Vegas has delusions of grandeur when it comes to major league sports.

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3 hours ago, LMU said:

Every Southwest plane going from LAX/Burbank/Long Beach/Ontario/John Wayne to Oakland on fall Sundays was chock full of silver and black fans.  Putting the Raiders in an actual resort destination is going to put butts in seats for a long, long time.

 

People in the northeast can't really understand how close Vegas is to California. It's a different mindset.

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1 minute ago, DG_ThenNowForever said:

 

People in the northeast can't really understand how close Vegas is to California. It's a different mindset.

Plus distances are much less significant out here. It’s a 250 mile, 4 hour drive, with most of it wide open highway minus food/gas/bathroom stops in Barstow, Baker, and Primm.

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On 5/18/2021 at 4:55 PM, Joke Insurance said:

 

Could Sutter Health Park be upgraded to MLB standards?


They planned on it originally, but the stability of the land (the stadium is right next to a river, hence the RiverCats name) came into question and nixed those plans. Access is pretty poor (everything is here, really), too. It’s also technically in an entirely different city (South Sacramento, CA), and that’s caused more problems for that site than they had originally foreseen. 
 

The feasibility of fully expanding that entire entire area has been done to death already and the answer for pretty much the last century is a pretty resounding no. One of the reasons it’s sat empty for no joke the last 100 years is because it was used as a defacto toxic waste dump site going WAY back. 

 

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5 hours ago, LMU said:

Plus distances are much less significant out here. It’s a 250 mile, 4 hour drive, with most of it wide open highway minus food/gas/bathroom stops in Barstow, Baker, and Primm.

Yeah, I recall 26 years ago, my late uncle driving my family from orange county to ... Laughlin and stopped in Barstow.  Left around 7 and arrived around midnight. California in terms of distance from west to east is not that far. 

I have also done San Francisco to LA. That was  longer.

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Trucking Groups Oppose Oakland Stadium Port Site Even as A's Mull Moving

 

Oakland A’s set to come to Portland on a baseball fact-finding mission

 

Finally, there is this bizarre, tone-deaf tweet from the president of the A's:

 

https://twitter.com/DaveKaval/status/1397023219421310978

 

(I made multiple tries at embedding the tweet, but each attempt resulted only in code being displayed in my post.)

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7 hours ago, LMU said:

Plus distances are much less significant out here. It’s a 250 mile, 4 hour drive, with most of it wide open highway minus food/gas/bathroom stops in Barstow, Baker, and Primm.

 

I was on the phone with someone from my health insurance company and they were helping me find a provider.  She said "this one is 5 miles away" and I was like "LOL lady, I'm not trying to take a train or fly to the dr... find something closer."  

 

Totally different culture when it comes to driving.  

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1 hour ago, BBTV said:

 

I was on the phone with someone from my health insurance company and they were helping me find a provider.  She said "this one is 5 miles away" and I was like "LOL lady, I'm not trying to take a train or fly to the dr... find something closer."  

 

Totally different culture when it comes to driving.  

 

I get that too. Wide open spaces out here (outside of city cores). That and higher speed limits.

 

When I lived in downtown Seattle though, yeah, I generally wouldn't go to any appointment I couldn't walk to.

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