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5 minutes ago, Marlins93 said:

Prolight seemed like such a mistake. Was there any point to it besides presumably being cheaper/easier to manufacture?

 

It’s proprietary.  It’s recognizable.  Which means it’s marketable.  Like Nike with its “Pro Combat” templates or whatever, sometimes manufacturers wanting everyone to know they’re the manufacturer is the whole point.  

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I think Fanatics bought/licensed the Prolight material to make the 2018 NHL draft hats (which are decent and better without the plastic/rubber logos)

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12 hours ago, SilverBullet1929 said:

@Gothamite.... was the embroidery on the BIG always this thick/raised or is this new?

Men's Milwaukee Brewers New Era Blue/Yellow 2019 Spring Training 59FIFTY Fitted Hat

Definitely seems thicker than in the past, look at this one...

Men's Milwaukee Brewers New Era Navy 2018 Postseason Alternate Side Patch 59FIFTY Fitted Hat

 

This actually has quite a bit to do with where exactly the hat is produced. The US made on fields will always have the latter example you’ve posted when it comes to embroidery, while the imported caps usually have the former. The first example looks absolutely atrocious to me, but they’re cheaper to make in that style because the embroidery machines are less expensive, and produce an inferior product. Some of the Chinese made on fields will have the better embroidery, but I think the BPs are actually all made in Vietnam or Cambodia or something (despite what the tag says). The more third-world the factory, the :censored:tier the product tends to be in New Era’s case. They’ve opened a factory recently in Haiti, because of :censored:ing course they did, and those caps are actually insulting they’re so bad. And it’s only going to get worse, too. 

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4 hours ago, Gothamite said:

 

It’s proprietary.  It’s recognizable.  Which means it’s marketable.  Like Nike with its “Pro Combat” templates or whatever, sometimes manufacturers wanting everyone to know they’re the manufacturer is the whole point.  

 

New Era also had an issue sourcing the original DE material after awhile. The price went up and the sales numbers weren’t enough to justify the increase in price in their view. Last year was an attempt to go in a different direction in order to boost that and it ended up being such a flop that the decrease in overall sales numbers just couldn’t justify the decrease in material cost. The material they’re using now (Basically what they’ve been using on NFL caps for awhile now, but I believe the NFL had exclusivity rights for the first two or three years on that. I could be wrong about that though) is both cheaper to make and, IMO, is better quality overall. 

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Of note to @Gothamite, the Brewers' spring training/batting practice cap now features the correct glove webbing.

 

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Just now, Sodboy13 said:

Of note to @Gothamite, the Brewers' spring training/batting practice cap now features the correct glove webbing.

 

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Don't think I didn't notice that.  :D 

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1 hour ago, Gothamite said:

 

Don't think I didn't notice that.  :D 

 

The files seem to have gotten a correction, at least from my last Miller Park trip.

 

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12 hours ago, Bucfan56 said:

 

New Era also had an issue sourcing the original DE material after awhile. The price went up and the sales numbers weren’t enough to justify the increase in price in their view. Last year was an attempt to go in a different direction in order to boost that and it ended up being such a flop that the decrease in overall sales numbers just couldn’t justify the decrease in material cost. The material they’re using now (Basically what they’ve been using on NFL caps for awhile now, but I believe the NFL had exclusivity rights for the first two or three years on that. I could be wrong about that though) is both cheaper to make and, IMO, is better quality overall. 

 

Sales is not the only variable in the equation. It's possible to sell less $ at the register but make more gross profit if the improved profit margin due to reduced material cost is significant enough. Either way it sounds like the product quality was so poor it was rejected outright as inferior by consumers.

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2 hours ago, SFGiants58 said:

The files seem to have gotten a correction, at least from my last Miller Park trip.

 

The files were corrected in 2016, IIRC.  But it’s taken a while for vendors to catch up and use the new ones - even New Era is still using the old one on the alternate navy caps.

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Progress, I suppose.  Last year they gave us two caps with the bad logo.  This year it might only be one. 

 

(And check out the New Era fashion caps in your pic above - they still have the bad logo.)

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Sigh...this again...?  Please stop forcing this 1880s crap on us, that no living person ever saw on the field nor can relate to...

 

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If you want fans to hearken back to a long-forgotten era, just eliminate the black and take us back to this:

 

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Is it weird that I like the "reverse coloring" of that cap though with the red cap but the black front panel? Interesting look for the Reds... well, "as a BP cap" at least, wouldn't want it during the regular season of course.

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11 hours ago, Jungle Jim said:

Sigh...this again...?  Please stop forcing this 1880s crap on us, that no living person ever saw on the field nor can relate to...

 

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Please note that "saw" and "can relate to" are two very different things.  The traditional teams evidently have plenty of fans who are very into their teams' histories. This is something we should be applauding and encouraging, not scoffing at. 

 

When I was a kid, the serious baseball fans whom I knew had an unspoken principle that you're not entitled to dismiss something on the grounds that it was "before my time".  The accepted understanding was that being a baseball fan inherently meant knowing not just about the current moment but also about the history.  This feeling was extremely strong amongst Yankee fans, and was a bit less strong amongst Met fans (which is a polite way of saying that Met fans didn't know s--t). 

As far as the Reds' hats go, while the use of colour is pretty bad, that logo is gorgeous.  It is reminiscent of China's hats at the World Baseball Classic, at which they were the best-dressed team by a long way.

 

 

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12 hours ago, Jungle Jim said:

Sigh...this again...?  Please stop forcing this 1880s crap on us, that no living person ever saw on the field nor can relate to...

 

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If you want fans to hearken back to a long-forgotten era, just eliminate the black and take us back to this:

 

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This Reds fan loves it. I believe what they’re doing this year with the throwback uniforms is fantastic, along with the Old English C used the past couple of years in ST and even the script that hearkens back to former use in the 1930s. Plus, this year’s one off unis have made me have to debate which cap to purchase from the list. Leaning toward the 1902 or the 1911.

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6 hours ago, Ferdinand Cesarano said:



Please note that "saw" and "can relate to" are two very different things.  The traditional teams evidently have plenty of fans who are very into their teams' histories. This is something we should be applauding and encouraging, not scoffing at. 

 

When I was a kid, the serious baseball fans whom I knew had an unspoken principle that you're not entitled to dismiss something on the grounds that it was "before my time".  The accepted understanding was that being a baseball fan inherently meant knowing not just about the current moment but also about the history.  This feeling was extremely strong amongst Yankee fans, and was a bit less strong amongst Met fans (which is a polite way of saying that Met fans didn't know s--t). 

As far as the Reds' hats go, while the use of colour is pretty bad, that logo is gorgeous.  It is reminiscent of China's hats at the World Baseball Classic, at which they were the best-dressed team by a long way.

 

 

Image result for china world baseball classic    

 

 

 

5 hours ago, Artmanc3po said:

This Reds fan loves it. I believe what they’re doing this year with the throwback uniforms is fantastic, along with the Old English C used the past couple of years in ST and even the script that hearkens back to former use in the 1930s. Plus, this year’s one off unis have made me have to debate which cap to purchase from the list. Leaning toward the 1902 or the 1911.

 

If they want to use it as part of a throwback uniform, that's fine.  But the recent trend of the Reds seems to be an effort to incorporate it into the team's current set of logos, along with the script "Reds", which I am opposed to.  It's only serving to dilute the brand.  Unless it is a designated throwback game, fans should be able to come to a game (even a Spring Training game) and see their team in their familiar and easily-recognizable logos.  If I were in Arizona for ST, I certainly wouldn't feel that I was seeing the team that I've followed for  44 years on the field, and the experience would be cheapened by seeing them in these monstrosities.

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Rays to bring this back this year 

 

 dates they will be wearing these: 5/11 vs. NYY, 6/15 vs. LAA, 8/17 vs. DET, 9/21 vs. BOS

 

You can even buy them this march

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15 hours ago, Flames1fan said:

Rays to bring this back this year 

 

 dates they will be wearing these: 5/11 vs. NYY, 6/15 vs. LAA, 8/17 vs. DET, 9/21 vs. BOS

 

You can even buy them this march

Devil-Rays-Throwbacks-590x444.jpg

 

 

I think these uniforms were pretty awesome for a 90's expansion team. The gradient was a new effect in MLB, but not hideously overdone. I think they went backwards and became less "fun" with each change they made.

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I was always amazed, and still am, at how quickly the Rays abandoned that look. They only wore it for three seasons! Think about that for a moment. And it's not like they just tweaked it, they went with an entirely new look very quickly. And when you consider the time it takes to design a full uniform overhaul from start to finish you can probably assume they made the decision to dump it within their second season, more or less. I don't know the full reason why they did it but it feels like somebody up top must have really hated those uniforms.

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4 minutes ago, SilverBullet1929 said:

I was always amazed, and still am, at how quickly the Rays abandoned that look. They only wore it for three seasons! Think about that for a moment. And it's not like they just tweaked it, they went with an entirely new look very quickly. And when you consider the time it takes to design a full uniform overhaul from start to finish you can probably assume they made the decision to dump it within their second season, more or less. I don't know the full reason why they did it but it feels like somebody up top must have really hated those uniforms.

 

Calling the Naimoli period of the Rays’ history a comedy of errors would be far too charitable. I believe the gradient was his idea (selling a bunch of apparel in different colors), but he must have backed off upon seeing disappointing returns (driving people away with the quality of play may have had a role in that).

 

I’m just glad the NL didn’t let him run the Giants (while hurting the rest of the league, due to CBS’ lowering their TV deal if the move happened) into the ground like that.

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31 minutes ago, SFGiants58 said:

 

Calling the Naimoli period of the Rays’ history a comedy of errors would be far too charitable. I believe the gradient was his idea (selling a bunch of apparel in different colors), but he must have backed off upon seeing disappointing returns (driving people away with the quality of play may have had a role in that).

Looking back, you're onto something.  Back in those first few seasons you saw shirts and jerseys all of the place in lime green, purple, yellow, electric blue.  

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