NCAA Votes To Allow College Athletes To Profit From Name, Image And Likeness

[dfwabel]

SB206 signed by Gov. Newsom.

 

https://ktla.com/2019/09/30/ca-to-allow-college-athletes-to-profit-from-endorsements-under-bill-signed-by-gov-newsom/

 

Your move, NCAA as those eight other states with legislation planned or in committee are going to create the avalanche of change.

[TrueYankee26]

NCAA takes an L!

[dfwabel]

 

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The Pac-12 is disappointed in the passage of SB 206 and believes it will have very significant negative consequences for our student-athletes and broader universities in California. This legislation will lead to the professionalization of college sports and many unintended consequences related to this professionalism, imposes a state law that conflicts with national rules, will blur the lines for how California universities recruit student-athletes and compete nationally, and will likely reduce resources and opportunities for student-athletes in Olympic sports and have a negative disparate impact on female student-athletes. 

Our universities have led important student-athlete reform over the past years, but firmly believe all reforms must treat our student-athletes as students pursuing an education, and not as professional athletes. We will work with our universities to determine next steps and ensure continuing support for our student-athletes.

 

https://pac-12.com/article/2019/09/30/statement-pac-12-signing-california-sb-206/

[sky1324]

3 minutes ago, dfwabel said:

but firmly believe all reforms must treat our student-athletes as students pursuing an education, and not as professional athletes.

Oh, that's rich. I'll believe when the NCAA stops profiting off these "student-athletes". If the players don't see a penny, neither does the NCAA. Seems fair to me.

[dfwabel]

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NCAA statement on Gov. Newsom signing SB 206

September 30, 2019 10:44am

As a membership organization, the NCAA agrees changes are needed to continue to support student-athletes, but improvement needs to happen on a national level through the NCAA’s rules-making process. Unfortunately, this new law already is creating confusion for current and future student-athletes, coaches, administrators and campuses, and not just in California.

We will consider next steps in California while our members move forward with ongoing efforts to make adjustments to NCAA name, image and likeness rules that are both realistic in modern society and tied to higher education.

As more states consider their own specific legislation related to this topic, it is clear that a patchwork of different laws from different states will make unattainable the goal of providing a fair and level playing field for 1,100 campuses and nearly half a million student-athletes nationwide.

 

https://www.ncaa.org/about/resources/media-center/news/ncaa-statement-gov-newsom-signing-sb-206

 

Translation: Other states, please, please don't adopt your legislation, we can't deal with this one already and our working group was never going to be as generous as SB206, so just leave us alone.

[Red Comet]

Looks like the long-predicted crackup of the college sports cartel is upon us. If I'm a guy running a G-League franchise or Vince McMahon, I'm probably thrilled that the clock is ticking on my fiercest competition.

[alxy8s]

This is excellent. Good for the athletes in California. I don't know what the status of similar legislation is in other states, but it's easy to anticipate a ripple effect here. Even if officeholders can't be bothered to be motivated by doing good for the sake of itself, the competitive imbalance that this will create might just do it in the end. The first time that Georgia loses a recruit to USC/UCLA/Stanford because they can pay the man, the General Assembly is going to fix that right away.

 

16 minutes ago, Red Comet said:

Looks like the long-predicted crackup of the college sports cartel is upon us. If I'm a guy running a G-League franchise or Vince McMahon, I'm probably thrilled that the clock is ticking on my fiercest competition.

The end result of this is not going to be 1,000+ universities cancelling their athletic programs. The enormously profitable schools are not giving it all up because they'll have to start sharing profits with the athletes. It's not going to come anywhere near being an even split. These are 18-year-olds who will have never made real money in their lives. Give every player on the football team $100k, and you've spent less than what Dabo Swinney makes in a year.

[Red Comet]

7 minutes ago, alxy8s said:

The end result of this is not going to be 1,000+ universities cancelling their athletic programs. The enormously profitable schools are not giving it all up because they'll have to start sharing profits with the athletes. It's not going to come anywhere near being an even split. These are 18-year-olds who will have never made real money in their lives. Give every player on the football team $100k, and you've spent less than what Dabo Swinney makes in a year.

 

That's why I said crackup. The Power 5 are still going to be around but anything below them is going to be suspect as far as existence goes. There are a lot of small schools that are going to find fielding teams far more expensive then it already is and decide to shut them down. I predict FBS to have less than 70 teams in 10 years. And when a lot of these small schools no longer field football teams? Something is going to fill that void. 

[Gothamite]

19 minutes ago, alxy8s said:

The end result of this is not going to be 1,000+ universities cancelling their athletic programs. The enormously profitable schools are not giving it all up because they'll have to start sharing profits with the athletes.

 

There aren’t that many “enormously profitable schools”. Most athletic departments lose money.

[Red Comet]

3 minutes ago, Gothamite said:

 

There aren’t that many “enormously profitable schools”. Most athletic departments lose money.

 

Yeah. Most likely result is probably going to be college football becoming a largely Southern sport like NASCAR.

[dfwabel]

Instead of cutting/pasting excerpts from SI's Sports Law professor, Micheal McCann, here is the link.

https://www.si.com/college-football/2019/09/30/fair-pay-to-play-act-law-ncaa-california-pac-12

 

Note the latter portion of his essay regarding the future and "Possible changes" and read from there.

[Red Comet]

11 minutes ago, dfwabel said:

Instead of cutting/pasting excerpts from SI's Sports Law professor, Micheal McCann, here is the link.

https://www.si.com/college-football/2019/09/30/fair-pay-to-play-act-law-ncaa-california-pac-12

 

Note the latter portion of his essay regarding the future and "Possible changes" and read from there.

 

So, some judge somewhere can potentially torpedo this Act and we're all back to Square One. Or, the Pac-12 secedes from the NCAA and makes its own league with likeness rights, blackjack and hookers. 

 

Great article, though.

[alxy8s]

27 minutes ago, Gothamite said:

 

There aren’t that many “enormously profitable schools”. Most athletic departments lose money.

38 minutes ago, Red Comet said:

 

There are a lot of small schools that are going to find fielding teams far more expensive then it already is and decide to shut them down.

 

The schools that can afford it are going to offer recruits money to stay competitive with each other. There has always been a massive gap between the haves and have nots in college athletics. That divide might be about to grow, but I'm interested to see how it plays out. I imagine every league has revenue sharing agreements. That will help keep the Vanderbilts and Baylors that have managed to squeeze into the P5 afloat.

 

I'm not sure why this has to represent such a drastic change for everyone else, however. They can continue to offer scholarships. They could never really compete on the same level as the blue bloods, so that's not anything different. Their athletes weren't being recruited by the elite programs anyway, so they're not suddenly going to lose players. I feel worse for these smaller schools because, while they won't be ever be able to pay their athletes anything significant (if anything at all), they're not exploiting them nearly to the degree that the upper tier schools are. The worst offenders of the current system won't miss a beat.

 

Honestly, we're getting ahead of ourselves. The bill that just passed only impacts video games and licensing likenesses. The California schools can't yet directly pay their players. It's the next obvious step, but we're not there yet. If this leads to an NCAA Football 2020 and a few thousand dollars in the pockets of every athlete in that game, I think everyone's happy.

[GDAWG]

So essentially, USC, UCLA, Stanford, Cal, Fresno State, San Jose State, San Diego State all become pro football teams?

[alxy8s]

Just now, GDAWG said:

So essentially, USC, UCLA, Stanford, Cal, Fresno State, San Jose State, San Diego State all become pro football teams?

Their players gained the right to receive compensation from companies that use their likenesses beginning in 2023. The schools cannot directly pay the players.

 

Read the article that dfwabel posted above. It does a good job of explaining how this act doesn't represent any reckless jumping off the deep end.

[dfwabel]

47 minutes ago, alxy8s said:

 

The schools that can afford it are going to offer recruits money to stay competitive with each other. There has always been a massive gap between the haves and have nots in college athletics. That divide might be about to grow, but I'm interested to see how it plays out. I imagine every league has revenue sharing agreements. That will help keep the Vanderbilts and Baylors that have managed to squeeze into the P5 afloat.

 

I'm not sure why this has to represent such a drastic change for everyone else, however. They can continue to offer scholarships. They could never really compete on the same level as the blue bloods, so that's not anything different. Their athletes weren't being recruited by the elite programs anyway, so they're not suddenly going to lose players. I feel worse for these smaller schools because, while they won't be ever be able to pay their athletes anything significant (if anything at all), they're not exploiting them nearly to the degree that the upper tier schools are. The worst offenders of the current system won't miss a beat.

 

Honestly, we're getting ahead of ourselves. The bill that just passed only impacts video games and licensing likenesses. The California schools can't yet directly pay their players. It's the next obvious step, but we're not there yet. If this leads to an NCAA Football 2020 and a few thousand dollars in the pockets of every athlete in that game, I think everyone's happy.

Outside of media rights distribution which are mostly a equal share within the Power 5 conference members, only the B1G has a revenue sharing model in terms of gate receipts for football and Men's basketball. Pac-12 is looking sillier with the search for an equity partner for their networks for $750M.

 

Oh, and never underestimate the wealth behind the Power 5 private schools have to keep them there.

The biggest budgets are constantly getting the higher rated recruiting classes it will likely remain that way because:

1. Stanford won't lower their academic requirements.

2. San José State may be near venture capital, they ain't interested in Spartan athletes. Fresno's donor base is OLD.

3. USC is a mess internally as an institution with a new President.

4. UCLA will find a way to screw it up as they do for their major sports.

 

 

[FiddySicks]

6 hours ago, dfwabel said:

 

https://pac-12.com/article/2019/09/30/statement-pac-12-signing-california-sb-206/

 

I say this as probably the biggest fan of PAC 12 football I know. The PAC 12 can cram it, and I hope they die because of this decision. 

[sky1324]

It's not even like athletic departments will lose money on this: it just means the players can be compensated for companies (hopefully including the NCAA) using their image and likeness. It comes at literally no cost to the schools, but this will give Cali schools an advantage recruiting-wise for a few years before this style of bill is passed in every state to keep up (I bet Alabama, Georgia, and NC all come pretty quickly once schools start losing recruits to Cali teams).

[BBTV]

8 hours ago, dfwabel said:

 

https://pac-12.com/article/2019/09/30/statement-pac-12-signing-california-sb-206/

 

The pac 12 leadership can go straight to godsdamn hell.  I hope this leads to schools splitting from the stupid NCAA.  The people that would release a statement like that have no business being in positions where they profit off of free labor.

 

This quote is particularly funny: "imposes a state law that conflicts with national rules".  LOL "national rules"?  You mean the NCAA rules, which ironically, probably contradict "national rules".  Screw these guys.

[Wings]

Larry Scott and his Pac-12 stooges are such clowns.