2020-2021 NHL Changes

[CreamSoda]

3 hours ago, the admiral said:

 

Yes, why is the global sport more popular than a regional winter sport

To even use his set up.  Why is national soccer, World Cup, so much more popular euro club soccer?

 

Maybe Team USA should slap a Burger King logo on their shirts. 

[AFirestormToPurify]

5 hours ago, the admiral said:

 

Yes, why is the global sport more popular than a regional winter sport

All the people who support ads on helmets can do is compare apple to oranges, it seems

[philly97flyer]

43 minutes ago, AFirestormToPurify said:

All the people who support ads on helmets can do is compare apple to oranges, it seems

I don’t “support” ads on helmets, but I absolutely understand why they’re doing it. The league is facing most likely nearly a whole season without fans in the stands in the majority of their buildings. They need to find revenue to pay their players, coaches, front office, and a whole host of regular people on their staffs that aren’t making millions. Despite what socialists on the internet think, owners don’t have a bottomless pit of money they can just draw from to pay their employees. Cash flow has to come from somewhere. You don’t have to like capitalism, but it makes the world go round. That’s just reality.

 

edit: Do you think I like coming on here and navigating through 5 ads just to read a message board? No, especially when I have to find the little ‘x’ to close them all out. But I understand why Chris does it, and I’d be doing the same exact thing if it was my board.

[mcj882000]

11 minutes ago, philly97flyer said:

Despite what socialists on the internet think, owners don’t have a bottomless pit of money they can just draw from to pay their employees

Considering that most of the NHL's team owners, including at least three of the four owners of teams who've already unveiled helmet ads, are billionaires, I would argue that they do, in fact, have as close to "a bottomless pit of money" as one is likely to get in this world.

[WSU151]

17 minutes ago, mcj882000 said:

Considering that most of the NHL's team owners, including at least three of the four owners of teams who've already unveiled helmet ads, are billionaires, I would argue that they do, in fact, have as close to "a bottomless pit of money" as one is likely to get in this world.

 

Do you those net worths are all piles of cash stored under mattresses? 

 

Ads on helmets this year are fine if cash flows from fans are minimal to zero.

 

Worrying about future changes are all slippery slope arguments that are logical fallacies. 

[WSU151]

1 hour ago, AFirestormToPurify said:

All the people who support ads on helmets can do is compare apple to oranges, it seems

 

It’s almost as if ads on uniforms haven’t proven to affect the popularity of sports. People will still watch no matter which teams in the world are greedy. 

[mcj882000]

3 minutes ago, WSU151 said:

 

Do you those net worths are all piles of cash stored under mattresses? 

Y'know what, you're right; all those billions of dollars those men have probably are mostly invested in other properties, companies, etc. I mean heck, if Vincent Viola had, say, 90% of his enormous wealth invested and tied up in other endeavors, that would only leave him with... [checks notes] $260 million of liquid assets left in the bank! 

(y'know, an amount of cash that's $10M more than he used to buy the Florida Panthers 7 years ago?)

[WSU151]

24 minutes ago, mcj882000 said:

Y'know what, you're right; all those billions of dollars those men have probably are mostly invested in other properties, companies, etc. I mean heck, if Vincent Viola had, say, 90% of his enormous wealth invested and tied up in other endeavors, that would only leave him with... [checks notes] $260 million of liquid assets left in the bank! 

(y'know, an amount of cash that's $10M more than he used to buy the Florida Panthers 7 years ago?)

 

His 2019 net worth didn’t really take into account a global pandemic. But you’re right, I’m sure the Panthers’ valuation has stayed the same or gone up since the beginning of this year. 

 

I hate that the Panthers will be replacing the sun/tree/stick logos on the helmets, but I understand the move considering the cash flow problems the league is having without fans in the seats.

[mcj882000]

8 minutes ago, WSU151 said:

 

His 2019 net worth didn’t really take into account a global pandemic. But you’re right, I’m sure the Panthers’ valuation has stayed the same or gone up since the beginning of this year. 

oh no, the Panthers may have lost a few extra million dollars in value this year, how will they and their multi-billionaire owner ever weather this storm; clearly this means they need even more advertising space than they already have for this season and until the end of time to recoup the comparable pocket change he lost 

y'know, instead of just sucking it up like he & his buddies have been telling the rest of us to do :^)

[WSU151]

Just now, mcj882000 said:

oh no, the Panthers may have lost a few extra million dollars in value this year, how will they and their multi-billionaire owner ever weather this storm; clearly this means they need even more advertising space than they already have for this season and until the end of time to recoup the comparable pocket change he lost 

y'know, instead of just sucking it up like he & his buddies have been telling the rest of us to do :^)

 

Good article:

https://www.forbes.com/sites/mikeozanian/2020/12/09/nhl-team-values-2020-hockeys-first-decline-in-two-decades/?sh=370acf4c70dd

 

Owners aren’t going to suck it up just to please 50 people on a logo message board if they can find a risk-free cash flow. 

[mcj882000]

Hey, you know what would have been a great compromise: if every team just sold their helmet ad-space to charities and relief programs for the year

I'm sure those groups could use the extra eyeballs to get funding and supplies during these uncertain times, and there's a lot you can get away with if it's for charity, after all - the Utah Jazz realised this in 2017, and they didn't even need the excuse of a pandemic either

[schlim]

At this point, it may be off topic, but aren't teams adding the ads to the helmets as a 'make-up' to the advertisers as a payback for lost revenue/exposure from playing in a bubble, no fans, etc.? As in, the teams aren't getting any additional money from the advertisers for doing this?

 

Also, mindlessly supporting billionaire owners for putting ads on uniforms in order to prevent their 1/32nd share of a professional sports league in North America from folding tomorrow and potentially wiping hundreds of millions of dollars of their investments off their ledger is a noble idea. More people should get behind them.

[WSU151]

13 minutes ago, schlim said:

At this point, it may be off topic, but aren't teams adding the ads to the helmets as a 'make-up' to the advertisers as a payback for lost revenue/exposure from playing in a bubble, no fans, etc.? As in, the teams aren't getting any additional money from the advertisers for doing this?

 

No, it’s new cash flow to offset operating losses. 

[AnPheitseog]

25 minutes ago, WSU151 said:

 

No, it’s new cash flow to offset operating losses. 

https://news.sportslogos.net/2020/12/21/nhl-teams-can-add-advertisers-logos-to-helmets-in-2021/hockey-2/

[philly97flyer]

I love how explaining why teams are putting ads on helmets this season has turned into “supporting billionaires”. [MOD EDIT: No politics.]

[DEAD!]

1 hour ago, philly97flyer said:

I love how explaining why teams are putting ads on helmets this season has turned into “supporting billionaires”. [MOD EDIT: No politics.]

[MOD EDIT: No politics.]

[schlim]

My business and only source of income survived a 65% drop in revenue this year and I made it through the year without a corporate or government bailout, tax dodges or other accounting tricks, and I still don't wear a hat that says 'COMCAST' on both sides of it. I'm also not complaining about it and am vaguely proud of surviving the harsh economic climate, the withered customer base, lack of sales opportunities and the bitchy complaints of the Holy Maskless Protectors of the Constitution. I'm also not a billionaire, millionaire, or anything close. But hey, 2021 is almost here, so let's concentrate on that.

[Ridleylash]

At the end of the day, all sports teams are businesses first and foremost. Just because people on an internet forum are meticulous about the aesthetics means little to the people paying to run these franchises; if they have to put ads on a piece of equipment that the majority of fans' aesthetic tastes end at "does it look good with the rest of the outfit" with, then they're not going to cow to the minority who think helmets are a Big Deal(tm).

 

If it's between this and risking massive losses across the board...the owners, as competent businessmen, aren't going to tell themselves "suck it up for the aesthetics of this league, because a couple of fans on the Internet will complain if we put ads on the helmet". They'll do what makes them all money, because they're all businessmen who own these teams as a source of pride and additional income. You don't amass the funds to buy a sports franchise in the modern day by being so focused on aesthetic perfection you scorn any money-making opportunities when you need them the most.

 

I'm betting there was a majority consensus on this even in markets with less financial issues for that reason. What benefits the Coyotes and Panthers of the league inevitably (and exponentially) benefits the Red Wings and Bruins of the league.

[NYRFan]

9 hours ago, the admiral said:

 

Yes, why is the global sport more popular than a regional winter sport

I know you think you "owned" me with this super clever response, bro, but I'm not impressed with this retort or those of a few other posters.

 

My points are pretty hard to refute. There is no apples to oranges. I am simply refuting an earlier claim about brand equity. The bottom line is: European soccer clubs have stronger brand equity than almost all NHL clubs, which is a fact, and all I'm saying is they haven't been hindered by (rather extreme) uses of advertising on the uniforms. 

 

What is so hard to grasp about that? 

 

Yes, one is a global game and one is a rather niche, regional game. What is your point?

 

Again, not impressed with a lot of the responses to my posts. Read them again. They're fairly cogent arguments. 

 

For the 100th time, I'm not in favor of any advertising on the uniforms, but I don't think what we've seen thus far is going to: a. Hurt brand equity b. Turn hockey unifoms into soccer kits (slippery slope much?) Or c. Even look that awful. 

[Sec19Row53]

Someone who has/makes more money than me is never allowed to increase the amount of money they make.

If I am ever offered more money, I will turn it down because I don't need more money.

[insert chant made by the former Jacksonville USFL team's fans]