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2 hours ago, Red Wolf said:

They just didn't want to be there.

No they wanted to be there and they showed up, but only for the first half. Then reality set in and reminded them that sports teams from Cincinnati are cursed and arent allowed to bring anything nice to the city.

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2 hours ago, waltere said:

 

Maybe a factor in it is that teams who had really good seasons are demotivated by playing in some mid-tier bowl no one gives a rats ass about, whilst the teams they're playing are hyper-motivated to go out and beat a team who, according to some, should have been in National Championship discussion?

Giving up and phoning in the biggest game in the history of your school sure seems like the mentality of a National Champion. They should get an autobid just so their feelings don't get hurt again

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40 minutes ago, Dilbert said:

No they wanted to be there and they showed up, but only for the first half. Then reality set in and reminded them that sports teams from Cincinnati are cursed and arent allowed to bring anything nice to the city.

 

The LT getting ejected really hurt. The backup was awful in his place. Even then, they still win if not for their clock management late. 

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1 hour ago, Dilbert said:

No they wanted to be there and they showed up, but only for the first half. Then reality set in and reminded them that sports teams from Cincinnati are cursed and arent allowed to bring anything nice to the city.

... so wait ... a football team from Georgia came from behind to win a game?

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4 minutes ago, See Red said:

I've been pretty big on Ohio State not deserving their spot but I am loving this game tonight.  35-14 OSU at the half.

Their resume was suspect and deserved to be scrutinized and I personally didn't want them there. At the same time, Dabo needs to be taken down several hundred pegs, so I'm okay with this.

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23 minutes ago, Red Wolf said:

Their resume was suspect and deserved to be scrutinized and I personally didn't want them there. At the same time, Dabo needs to be taken down several hundred pegs, so I'm okay with this.

 

I also wouldn't mind Ohio State blowing a 21 point lead when they were on the brink of going up 24 or 28.

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7 minutes ago, See Red said:

 

I also wouldn't mind Ohio State blowing a 21 point lead when they were on the brink of going up 24 or 28.

 

I'm weirdly okay with either outcome. My desire to mock the loser somehow outweighs my annoyance at the winner.

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I had a feeling Ohio State was going to come up big in this game. Clemson has had some shaky moments this season and the Buckeyes basically always show up for big games. If they get through Clemson and Alabama, they’ll for sure have earned it. I’m interested to see how the title game goes. I want to say Bama because of course, but the last time they met like this Ohio State pulled it off. I say Buckeyes by three. 

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1 hour ago, See Red said:

 

I also wouldn't mind Ohio State blowing a 21 point lead when they were on the brink of going up 24 or 28.

Until they got to 5 minutes left in the 4th, I thought they might blow it, ala Indiana. I'm not sure if this game shows that Clemson's OC deserves to be better paid or if the bulletin board material helped Ohio State focus.

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40 minutes ago, JerseyJimmy said:

...man, Texas A&M really deserved to be in Notre Dame's spot. hell, I'd take Indiana over ND.

Eh... aTm got blown out by Bama earlier. If it needed to be someone other than Notre Dame, and based on the outcome of the games so far, I would've liked to see the Sooners.

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Semi-serious question: Is this the end of Clemson's dynasty? Obviously its just one game, but Lawrence and Etienne are likely gone and Venables vaunted defense just got gashed. Outside of the championship game against Joe Burrow last year (42 pts), they hadn't given up more than 35 points in regulation since 2016 (43-42 loss to Pitt) and the last time they gave up as many points as they did tonight was in 2013 (51-10 thrashing at #5, future nat'l champ, and Jameis Winston-led FSU). I'm not saying that they collapse, but rather revert back to their status before this run. Are the Tigers destined to become a good program that had a strech of great years, a la the Huskers or Vols?

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21 minutes ago, sportsfan7 said:

Eh... aTm got blown out by Bama earlier. If it needed to be someone other than Notre Dame, and based on the outcome of the games so far, I would've liked to see the Sooners.

 

Oklahoma lost to a trash 4-6, Kansas State.  The thing I'd say about aTm was they were pretty clearly a better team by the end of the season than the beginning.  They probably still get steamrolled by Alabama, Clemson, or OSU, though.  This should've been the year they threw the G5 a bone.  Let Cincinnati lose by 30 to Alabama and shut people up for a few years.

 

23 minutes ago, MJWalker45 said:

Until they got to 5 minutes left in the 4th, I thought they might blow it, ala Indiana. I'm not sure if this game shows that Clemson's OC deserves to be better paid or if the bulletin board material helped Ohio State focus.

 

Isn't that Dabo's thing, though?  He was never a coordinator and I don't think he's regarded as a great football mind -- not in the way that Saban or Kirby have been known as great defensive minds or Mullen or Chip Kelly at one point as a great offensive mind.  He got lucky Oklahoma parted ways with Venables and then that Venables doesn't seem to have any aspirations beyond Clemson.  He's unquestionably great as a CEO-type but I think that makes him a bit dependent on his coordinators and hiring the right guys.  Also, I'd bet my house that Clemson's done some shady :censored: with recruiting to get to where they are despite Dabo's whole Jesus schtick.

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Just now, See Red said:

 

Oklahoma lost to a trash 4-6, Kansas State.  The thing I'd say about aTm was they were pretty clearly a better team by the end of the season than the beginning.  They probably still get steamrolled by Alabama, Clemson, or OSU, though.  This should've been the year they threw the G5 a bone.  Let Cincinnati lose by 30 to Alabama and shut people up for a few years.

 

 

Isn't that Dabo's thing, though?  He was never a coordinator and I don't think he's regarded as a great football mind.  He got lucky Oklahoma parted ways with Venables and then that Venables doesn't seem to have any aspirations beyond Clemson.  He's unquestionably great as a CEO-type but I think that makes him a bit dependent on his coordinators and hiring the right guys.  Also, I'd bet my house that Clemson's done some shady :censored: with recruiting to get to where they are despite Dabo's whole Jesus schtick.

He grabbed two OL from Ohio by telling them Urban Meyer had health issues and wouldn't be there in 5 years. He was correct about that, but I think using another coaches possible health issues against them is a little underhanded. This was before people started noticing the issues on the sidelines. He also lucked out when Jimbo Fisher left the ACC because that let him get a few players that may have gone to Florida State. 

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11 minutes ago, MJWalker45 said:

He grabbed two OL from Ohio by telling them Urban Meyer had health issues and wouldn't be there in 5 years. He was correct about that, but I think using another coaches possible health issues against them is a little underhanded. This was before people started noticing the issues on the sidelines. He also lucked out when Jimbo Fisher left the ACC because that let him get a few players that may have gone to Florida State. 

 

Yeah, that's a little shady.  I've heard Kirby Smart's a big negative recruiter too.  But the Clemson asst. basketball coach was caught on the FBI wiretaps talking about how the football program pays recruits.  There were rumors that they offered Rashan Gary $300k too.

 

And of course, the basketball program was caught on the wiretaps trying to make deals for Zion and Marvin Bagley III.  No way a program is cheating at basketball but completely clean in football.

 

I'll add: that said, the way Urban ran the program when he was at Florida wasn't exactly clean.  I don't have any reason to think that was the case at OSU, though.

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47 minutes ago, See Red said:

Oklahoma lost to a trash 4-6, Kansas State.

 

A Kansas State that lost to Arkansas State who went 2-6 in Sun Belt play. Granted that the Big XII has zero non-conference losses except for going 0-3 versus the Sun Belt. Coincidence!? Yeah, maybe.

 

49 minutes ago, See Red said:

Isn't that Dabo's thing, though?  He was never a coordinator and I don't think he's regarded as a great football mind -- not in the way that Saban or Kirby have been known as great defensive minds or Mullen or Chip Kelly at one point as a great offensive mind.  He got lucky Oklahoma parted ways with Venables and then that Venables doesn't seem to have any aspirations beyond Clemson.  He's unquestionably great as a CEO-type but I think that makes him a bit dependent on his coordinators and hiring the right guys.  Also, I'd bet my house that Clemson's done some shady :censored: with recruiting to get to where they are despite Dabo's whole Jesus schtick.

 

It does seem impossible for Clemson to go from the most solidly good-not-great program to one of the five teams always in the playoff winning two titles. Personally I think he's basically Hugh Freeze but smarter. I'm not saying that Dabo Swinney loves prostitutes, but if he did, he'd be smart enough to get a burner phone instead of using his government-issued phone, and he wouldn't draw the ire of his predecessor by blaming everything on them.

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22 minutes ago, Red Wolf said:

It does seem impossible for Clemson to go from the most solidly good-not-great program to one of the five teams always in the playoff winning two titles. Personally I think he's basically Hugh Freeze but smarter. I'm not saying that Dabo Swinney loves prostitutes, but if he did, he'd be smart enough to get a burner phone instead of using his government-issued phone, and he wouldn't draw the ire of his predecessor by blaming everything on them.

 

Their 2011 recruiting class is as suspicious as hell.  6-7 the year prior and went out and snagged three 5-star recruits (two of them out of Florida) and then another borderline 5-star.

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