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On 5/10/2020 at 6:12 PM, SFGiants58 said:

Safeco is the only retractable roof stadium that did it right. Maybe Miller Park too, but that's a big maybe.


I’ll go with a solid NO on your Miller Park question. That place is basically Chase Field (Which feels like a giant shoe box) with an even more elaborate roof and even more confusing shadow patterns. 
 

SafeCo is different than any of the other retractable roof parks because instead of being a stadium that’s built to accommodate a fully closed roof over the top of it, it’s actually an open air park that just so happens to have a canopy that can slide over it. The canopy is basically completely separate from the stadium and is used to cover the train station when in the “open” position. 
 

 

 

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1 minute ago, goalieboy82 said:

is this going to be like 1994 all over again.  

 

at this point, if its about the money, i would say, play the season, we will figure it all out in the off season.  

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1 minute ago, AustinFromBoston said:

No. 

 

Because they actually played in 1994. 

i knew that but was talking more about the after part (when it took time to get the fans back)

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On the bright side, if there's no baseball this season then it's one less year I have to watch Gabe Kapler manage the Giants.

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6 hours ago, goalieboy82 said:

at this point, if its about the money, i would say, play the season, we will figure it all out in the off season.  

 

Huh?  How does that work?

 

 

31 minutes ago, The Six said:

On the bright side, if there's no baseball this season then it's one less year I have to watch Gabe Kapler manage the Giants.

 

But that's one less year you'll get to hear him talk about players "presenting well" and how he jerks off with coconut oil and talk about how the results don't really matter and it's more important to be super positive and project the right energy.

 

He's from a different planet.

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On 6/5/2020 at 11:46 AM, goalieboy82 said:

at this point, if its about the money, i would say, play the season, we will figure it all out in the off season.  


I’m working off of (possibly shoddy) memory here, but I think they can’t do that per their bylaws? Labor issues have to be worked out prior to games being played, I think. They can’t play the games and then try to work out payment issues because it brings up an entire set of new, even bigger, problems in terms of future seasons. 
 

Actually, I wouldn’t be totally surprised if that’s even against general labor laws.

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My experience as a passive observer of baseball over the last couple years is the owners are doing whatever they can to underpay players while doing the very least to field a competitive product.

 

Of all the major sports, MLB feels like the most cynical. It's sad to watch owners so clearly nuke their sport out what looks like abject greed.

 

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Unpopular opinion here, I'm sure, but I've reached the point where I'd rather MLB not start at all in 2020. I'm starving for baseball as much as anyone else is, but a 40-something game season played in empty ballparks (please spare me the tired, easy jokes about Marlins' attendance) doesn't feel like baseball. The Astros and Red Sox (although the latter to a lesser extent) cheating scandals have already caused me to question the legitimacy of recent crowns and the thought of a World Series champion being named after such a short season would enter into asterisk territory for me. It would further water down the Series that's already been recently called into question.

 

I also feel like a substantially shortened season played under quarantine would give Manfred the opportunity to "never waste a good crisis" and implement a variety of seismic changes that he's been mulling over in recent years. I'm opposed to a lengthened post-season with more wild card teams; basically anything to undermine the regular season to get his hands on more playoffs revenue. I'd also expect more aggressive rules changes involving pace of play, particularly placing runners on second to avoid ties. Then there's the NL DH, which I'm not enthused about, but frankly bothers me less than all of the other changes I fear him making. He wants to exploit this opportunity to change the sport.

 

So I basically think that playing in 2020 would morph baseball into something unrecognizable this summer and run the risk of carrying parts of that over into future seasons.

 

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Yeah, at this point, we’d be lucky to start Baseball by what would normally be the All Star  Break, at that point I really don’t think it’s worth it. 
 

At least with the NHL & NBA, they’re just going right into the playoffs, and the NFL season is pretty short (by comparison) so they could still play if they had to delay it. 

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6 hours ago, DG_ThenNowForever said:

My experience as a passive observer of baseball over the last couple years is the owners are doing whatever they can to underpay players while doing the very least to field a competitive product.


It truly is the Americanest of all the American sports.

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if MLB isn't careful their sport is going to be boxing in 20/25/30 years. 

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I can't believe how myopic MLB has been these last few weeks. They had a golden opportunity to be the first ones to return after the pandemic. People desparately needed a diversion and the owners and players have wasted that opportunity. At this point, they may be the last sport to return, even after football.

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18 hours ago, DG_ThenNowForever said:

My experience as a passive observer of baseball over the last couple years is the owners are doing whatever they can to underpay players while doing the very least to field a competitive product.

 

Of all the major sports, MLB feels like the most cynical. It's sad to watch owners so clearly nuke their sport out what looks like abject greed.

 

 

I'm not sure the evidence supports this, considering how strong the players union is, and how they've won just about every (maybe even every) negotiation, and how it's not unheard of for players to get 8, 10, even 13-year guaranteed contracts.

 

Where you have a point is in how long the teams control the players at first, and how long it takes them to really earn what they're worth, but that's more a product of the unique developmental system MLB has, and at least there's arbitration (though it's not really that fair.)

 

It's fair that not all teams try to field competitive teams, but can they?  Short of getting lucky or just deciding to go bankrupt, does every team have the resources to pay for top talent?  When you have some teams that are not only in big media markets, but own their RSN, and play in money-printing palaces, and then some teams that are Tampa, it's just not going to work out that everyone has the same options when it comes to team building.

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Doesn’t a Major League Baseball player need something like seven full years of MLB service before they’re eligible for free agency? That’s always seemed like absolute lunacy to me. What other sport, hell, what other field in general do you need to commit nearly a full decade of your working life to before you’re allowed any real leverage? The military, maybe? 

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NHL is seven years or hitting age 27 for unrestricted free agency but they can hit phony-baloney restricted free agency after three. 

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It may be kid-glasses I'm wearing, but I feel like I remember bad teams overpaying for over-the-hill talent to either win or put butts in seats. There was at least a veneer of trying to start a competitive team year over year.

 

Now there is two thirds of the league saying pretty much straight up they will not compete in a given season, and that fans are paying to watch the future at full prices. That feels wrong to me. Minor league ball is $5/ticket or whatever for a reason. If you're depending on home fans paying full price to see the other team's good players (even then, that's only if it's a rare team competing), the whole system is out of whack.

 

I think baseball needs a much higher salary floor. If owners don't want to pay talent, they can put their money in hedge funds and watch it grow that way.

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