IceCap Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 58 minutes ago, Logojunkie said: If the Chargers are going to go new, I'd really like them to use the Bay Area Sea Lions stuff from Gridiron labs. I LOVE IT! http://gridironlabs.com/a11fl-bay-area-sea-lions-brand-identity The Bay Area is not Los Angeles. PotD 26/2/12 1/7/15 2020 BASS Spin the Wheel, Make the Deal Regular Season Champion 2021 BASS NFL Pick'em Regular Season Champion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bosrs1 Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 22 hours ago, Sykotyk said: How many Chargers fans are following them to LA, and how many fans will only support them in LA under the 'Chargers' name? And then, how many would support a 'new' teams with a 'new' identity. And how many former Chargers fans may someday given the team a chance if they at least threw a bone to their former fans and left the Chargers name for some future possibility, though exceedingly remote, that San Diego gets another team someday in the distant future? 19% are following them to LA. So they have to rebuild 81% or more of their former fanbase out of a city that couldn't care less they're coming... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveindc Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Here's another one that Lukas provided in a link: On 2/11/2017 at 6:26 AM, Jezus_Ghoti said: Surf concept is nice, but the singular name might not fly with the NFL. Also, the helmet is arguably too similar to the Rams' for two teams sharing the same city. Surfers could work. It might sound funny at first, but the surfer has helped define the region for a century now: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiddySicks Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 How are you going to move from literally the beachiest city in the country to LA (which is decidedly less beachy than San Diego) and change your name to a beach theme? I mean the Chargers just moved, literally, further away from the beach than where they were before. On 11/19/2012 at 7:23 PM, oldschoolvikings said: She’s still half convinced “Chris Creamer” is a porn site.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
daveindc Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 3 hours ago, Bucfan56 said: How are you going to move from literally the beachiest city in the country to LA (which is decidedly less beachy than San Diego) and change your name to a beach theme? I mean the Chargers just moved, literally, further away from the beach than where they were before. LA has a lot more going on than SD does, but it's still known for its beaches. LA's beaches are even more well known than SD's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockstar Matt Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 1 hour ago, Bucfan56 said: How are you going to move from literally the beachiest city in the country to LA (which is decidedly less beachy than San Diego) and change your name to a beach theme? I mean the Chargers just moved, literally, further away from the beach than where they were before. I wouldn't have responded if you didn't say this, because surprisingly, it's incorrect. Qualcomm Stadium is 8.8 miles away from the Pacific Ocean, the StubHub Center is 8.3 miles away from the Pacific Ocean and the Inglewood Stadium is only 6.6 miles away from the Pacific Ocean. Even though it's only about half a mile, the Chargers are actually closer to the beach and in 2019, they will be able to smell the offshore breeze. Moreover, LA's beaches are decidedly more famous and well known than San Diego's despite the ocean identity San Diego has. Cowboys - Lakers - LAFC - USMNT - LA Rams - LA Kings - NUFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DG_ThenNowForever Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 11 hours ago, Logojunkie said: If the Chargers are going to go new, I'd really like them to use the Bay Area Sea Lions stuff from Gridiron labs. I LOVE IT! http://gridironlabs.com/a11fl-bay-area-sea-lions-brand-identity That's just a longer Oregon State Beavers. 1 hour ago, ShutUpLutz! said: and the drunken doodoobags jumping off the tops of SUV's/vans/RV's onto tables because, oh yeah, they are drunken drug abusing doodoobags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJ Sands Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 1 hour ago, DG_Now said: That's just a longer Oregon State Beavers. Anybody else remember the A-11 league and how quickly that flamed out? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sykotyk Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 11 hours ago, bosrs1 said: 19% are following them to LA. So they have to rebuild 81% or more of their former fanbase out of a city that couldn't care less they're coming... And how many would start supporting them in LA IF they rebranded as a new team, compared to using the Chargers name. And, how much of that 19% would stop following them if they gave up the Chargers name? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logojunkie Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 13 hours ago, Ice_Cap said: The Bay Area is not Los Angeles. True, swap out Bay Area for LA though. It's a solid look IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bosrs1 Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 2 minutes ago, Sykotyk said: And how many would start supporting them in LA IF they rebranded as a new team, compared to using the Chargers name. And, how much of that 19% would stop following them if they gave up the Chargers name? That's the real equation they have to consider. I imagine they'd lose the bulk, if not all, of the remaining 19% of their pre-move San Diego Chargers fan base. Question is, would a new brand get them back that and more? Given the history of moves and rebrands I'd think it would. I mean think about the Oilers/Titans, Browns/Ravens (even if it was a forced change), etc...Such rebranded teams were heartily embraced by their new cities as the "taint" of being someone else's team is diminished. The Oilers/Titans IMO is particularly instructive as they didn't really start to hit it off in their new state until they rebranded to something not so intimately tied with their former city. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hawk36 Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 I think its a lose/lose. They've already destroyed the Chargers' brand but becoming a new brand would be just as bad. They really screwed themselves on this deal. Design Hovie Studios Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 27 minutes ago, hawk36 said: I think its a lose/lose. They've already destroyed the Chargers' brand but becoming a new brand would be just as bad. They really screwed themselves on this deal. Spanos gotta spanos. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-Rich Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 1 hour ago, bosrs1 said: Given the history of moves and rebrands I'd think it would. I mean think about the Oilers/Titans, Browns/Ravens (even if it was a forced change), etc...Such rebranded teams were heartily embraced by their new cities as the "taint" of being someone else's team is diminished. The Oilers/Titans IMO is particularly instructive as they didn't really start to hit it off in their new state until they rebranded to something not so intimately tied with their former city. Yeah, but both of those situations were completely different from this one, in different ways. The Browns/Ravens were moving to a place that had lost an NFL team, and desperately wanted a team back-- they had the "CFL Colts/Stallions" only a few years earlier, and they were in the expansion sweepstakes of '93 and lost out. They knew they weren't getting the name "Colts" back, so they were happy with whatever was offered-- I went to a game their 1st season in Baltimore, and the unbridled joy the fans seemed to have was noticeable. The Oilers/Titans situation was that while Bud Adams announced a deal to move to Nashville after the 1995 season, but wouldn't actually move until 1998 when the new Nashville stadium was planned to be opened (it was later delayed till 1999). Thus, he was in no hurry to come up with a new name. He played the first lame duck year in Houston (1996), which was a disaster. got permission from the league to play in Memphis for 1997 and 98, and when 1997 in Memphis was a disaster, got league permission to play the 1998 season in Vanderbilt Stadium. They unveiled the new unis and name to coincide with their opening in the new stadium, which luckily was also the year they won the AFC and played in the Super Bowl (in the battle of relocated teams, St. Louis Rams vs. Tennessee Titans). It's easy for a team, new name and all-- to "hit it off" when they get that far in their 1st year. What we have with San Diego is a team that is moving about an hour and a half away from their home of over 50 years, to a place that just got NFL football back after about a twenty-year hiatus, and to a locals that really don't want them there. I do think, though, that IF THE CHARGERS WERE REALLY GOOD (like, getting to the playoffs-good), they should go with the re-brand. Long-term, you'd probably get a bunch of youngsters with no memory of the LA Rams following the new LA Surf/Sun/Smog, while the old timers gravitate towards the team of their youth, the LA Rams. But as Gothamite so perfectly states, Spanos gonna Spanos. It is what it is. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MTZehvor Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 Whatever it is, I just want a greater emphasis on the powder blue. Powder blue jerseys, powder blue endzones, whatever. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gosioux76 Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 I've always harbored the desire to have an L.A.-based football team called the Condors. Heavy emphasis on white uniforms, Eagles-esque wing-based helmet design, bright accent colors -- maybe an orange/yellow/cyan mix ala OKC Thunder. I'm just spitballing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IceCap Posted February 13, 2017 Share Posted February 13, 2017 5 hours ago, Logojunkie said: True, swap out Bay Area for LA though. It's a solid look IMO. Not really. "Sea Lions" works for a team in the San Francisco Bay Area. It really doesn't work for a Los Angeles-based team. PotD 26/2/12 1/7/15 2020 BASS Spin the Wheel, Make the Deal Regular Season Champion 2021 BASS NFL Pick'em Regular Season Champion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gothamite Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 It's not that there aren't sea lions on the Los Angeles shore, but they don't form a part of the local culture the way they do in San Francisco. The Green Bay Packers Uniform Database! Now in a handy blog. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cosmic Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 8 hours ago, BJ Sands said: Anybody else remember the A-11 league and how quickly that flamed out? COMPLETELY forgot about this league until the Sea Lions design popped up. IIRC, the design work that company did for the A11FL was all pretty solid. I remember liking the Sea Lions, at least. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BJ Sands Posted February 14, 2017 Share Posted February 14, 2017 16 minutes ago, Cosmic said: COMPLETELY forgot about this league until the Sea Lions design popped up. IIRC, the design work that company did for the A11FL was all pretty solid. I remember liking the Sea Lions, at least. The league would've looked really good if it had played. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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