Tampa Bay Buccaneers Unveil New Uniforms

[bootscallahan]

I'm sure there are people here who actually remember the Bucco Bruce era and prefer the creamsicles, but my memory is that the change to red and pewter was seen universally as an upgrade. I didn't hear any yearning for going back to the creamsicles until after the Super Bowl-era players left and they sucked again. 

[hawk36]

That was kind of my point for the color/city. Growing up in San Diego I never understood when the Chargers changed from a bright royal/yellow to a navy/hint of yellow look as it didn't feel in any way like the bright, vibrant city I grew up in.

 

With so many homogenized looks in sports, I'd prefer colors of teams to match not only match the mascot but also the city. Makes for a more interesting visual. 

 

Seahawks - Blue/water, green/mountains, gray, sky

Chargers- Collegiate Blue/sunny sky, Yellow/sunshine

Padres- Brown/mascot and landscape, Yellow/sunshine

 

Have a tie in if at all possible. 

[Skycast]

I was born in 1968 and lived a suburb of Tampa (Brandon) in 1976 when the Bucs took the field and lived in and around south central Florida and Tampa until 1997. It was magical and I was a fan from the start...a tortured fan for many, many years. The creamsicle uniforms hold a special place in my heart, I have a fondness for them, they represent a certain time, era and feeling for me. That being said, I don't want them back. They are dated and don't need to make a comeback at all except for an occasional throwback game.

 

However I do think that orange should be a lot more prominent in whatever the Bucs end up doing. There have been some great concepts that take the pewter era uniforms and make orange a large part of them. That's what we need, not going back to the creamsicles wholesale.

[Chromatic]

 

46 minutes ago, bootscallahan said:

I'm sure there are people here who actually remember the Bucco Bruce era and prefer the creamsicles, but my memory is that the change to red and pewter was seen universally as an upgrade. I didn't hear any yearning for going back to the creamsicles until after the Super Bowl-era players left and they sucked again. 

I'm not a Bucs fan and haven't even been to Florida, so this is pure speculation, but it wouldn't surprise me. There are lots of sports teams where after a certain amount of time has past fans start yearning for looks from yesteryear, regardless of what it actually is. Its a combination of nostalgia/grass-is-greenerism. 

 

 

[IceCap]

2 hours ago, hawk36 said:

I could be wrong never having been near the area but, in my world, the orange/red Bucco look screams sunny, warm, Tampa... perfect. The red/pewter could be anywhere... fine but generic. 

I would say, having had a few Bucs uni-focused discussions since moving here, that the preference is almost an even 50/50 split.

I'm honestly surprised I've heard "they should go back to the creamsicles" as much as I have. 

[MJWalker45]

26 minutes ago, Chromatic said:

 

I'm not a Bucs fan and haven't even been to Florida, so this is pure speculation, but it wouldn't surprise me. There are lots of sports teams where after a certain amount of time has past fans start yearning for looks from yesteryear, regardless of what it actually is. Its a combination of nostalgia/grass-is-greenerism. 

 

 

People yearn for the Indians "blood clot" uniforms. These people need help. 

[KittSmith_95]

Taking away orange sucks, but it feels like the team wants to own pewter instead as it's main colour. I think going away from the Orange sucks, but it fits right in with Nike as of late. 

[Gothamite]

1 hour ago, bootscallahan said:

I'm sure there are people here who actually remember the Bucco Bruce era and prefer the creamsicles, but my memory is that the change to red and pewter was seen universally as an upgrade.

 

Lots of changes feel like an upgrade at the time, but deserve a re-appraisal after some distance has set in.

[IceCap]

1 hour ago, bootscallahan said:

I'm sure there are people here who actually remember the Bucco Bruce era and prefer the creamsicles, but my memory is that the change to red and pewter was seen universally as an upgrade. I didn't hear any yearning for going back to the creamsicles until after the Super Bowl-era players left and they sucked again. 

It's not just the Bucs...a lot of teams were almost universally thought to be dated in the 90s and in need of an upgrade. 

A lot of those teams have, since changing, reverted back to a version of their older "dated" look. 

[mafiaman]

1 hour ago, bootscallahan said:

I'm sure there are people here who actually remember the Bucco Bruce era and prefer the creamsicles, but my memory is that the change to red and pewter was seen universally as an upgrade. I didn't hear any yearning for going back to the creamsicles until after the Super Bowl-era players left and they sucked again. 

I grew up watching the Buccaneers in the late 1970's and 1980's and LOVED the creamsicle uniform scheme despite the face that it was the very face of ineptitude.  When Tampa Bay switched things up, my first reaction was, "wow, those are bad a**."  It was a modern-day Oakland Raiders for the pirates of Florida.  Love the creamsicles still, but the Super Bowl era of jerseys and helmets is the way to go.  

[hawk36]

6 minutes ago, mafiaman said:

When Tampa Bay switched things up, my first reaction was, "wow, those are bad a**."  It was a modern-day Oakland Raiders for the pirates of Florida

That's exactly my issue with it... "a modern-day Oakland Raiders...". The orange/red was their own identity, unique to them. We need more unique to the city/region looks. Otherwise lets just go the direction of the MLB player weekend uniforms and slap your logo on a black or white helmet and call it a day.  

[dont care]

They were called “the yucks” in the creamsicles, when they switched to the super bowl uniforms they were pretty much universally loved, now they are back to the yucks with the soon to be former uniforms. I like the creamsicle color, but it needs to have a color like pewter to break up from the red, they always bleed together to me.

[Ridleylash]

2 hours ago, bootscallahan said:

I'm sure there are people here who actually remember the Bucco Bruce era and prefer the creamsicles, but my memory is that the change to red and pewter was seen universally as an upgrade. I didn't hear any yearning for going back to the creamsicles until after the Super Bowl-era players left and they sucked again. 

It was also the late 90's and the 2000's, when bright colors for sports teams were terrible and dumb and they all had to have darker/metallic colors and be as tough-looking as possible. I'll use a hockey-based example, but the trend hit all four major leagues.

 

That trend of dark, metallic colors to exude toughness and seriousness is exactly why the Canucks went from this uniform, with it's black, bright red, white and marigold scheme;

 

...to this one with a white, navy, maroon and silver color scheme;

 

It was the same design era where navy, maroon and Vegas gold replaced powder, bright red and athletic gold; the former were darker and thus, by the fads of that era, "cooler" and sold more merchandise. And I love the WCE-era Canucks uniforms, but it's not hard to see why they were eventually replaced; they were absolutely drenched in late 90's-2000's sports branding philosophy.

 

That era of design died years ago, and it's become much less of a "out" thing to have your sports brand be brighter and more vibrant, since photography and video cameras now are much better then they were in the late 90's and 2000's. Teams are embracing being more colorful and vibrant again, resulting in identities using bright blues, greens and whites;

 

...because those kinds of colors pop more on modern cameras, both indoors and outdoors. The Bucs doubling-down on pewter would basically be going against the common sports trend of brightening colors.

 

This color scheme is fine, but it's also essentially just red and brown with a tiny bit of orange and some white. It works, but it's not necessarily something I'd look at and go "Wow!". 

 

This is a lot more eyecatching, at least to me. It's bright, it's vibrant, it represents the state they play in. And it looks great on modern cameras, which should also be a key criterion.

[hormone]

I’ve probably said this before in this thread like 50 pages ago, but the creamsicle does stick out in a unique way and does provide me with fond memories, but pewter is also unique and has a trophy attached to those memories. I’m gonna tell you why you’d get sick of the orange really soon...cause these dopes wear white 90% of the time. That white uniform is a far inferior uniform with many things we complain about. Leotard orange socks with orange pants and red numbers when red is not a predominant color in that set. If they’d do something about the leotard and flip the numbers to orange with red trim like ‘76, they’d be manageable. (Still don’t know why they were too hard to read with raiders with silver numbers, saints with gold, and UTenn with no outlines). Go on YouTube and click on Mike alstott highlights. You’ll quickly see how the red/pewter was just a better rebrand. It brought a unique color scheme, a better logo, nodded to the past with accents, allowed for 4 mix/match uniforms which were all decent to great.

[Chromatic]

5 hours ago, Ridleylash said:

It was also the late 90's and the 2000's, when bright colors for sports teams were terrible and dumb and they all had to have darker/metallic colors and be as tough-looking as possible. I'll use a hockey-based example, but the trend hit all four major leagues.

 

That trend of dark, metallic colors to exude toughness and seriousness is exactly why the Canucks went from this uniform, with it's black, bright red, white and marigold scheme;

 

...to this one with a white, navy, maroon and silver color scheme;

 

It was the same design era where navy, maroon and Vegas gold replaced powder, bright red and athletic gold; the former were darker and thus, by the fads of that era, "cooler" and sold more merchandise. And I love the WCE-era Canucks uniforms, but it's not hard to see why they were eventually replaced; they were absolutely drenched in late 90's-2000's sports branding philosophy.

 

That era of design died years ago, and it's become much less of a "out" thing to have your sports brand be brighter and more vibrant, since photography and video cameras now are much better then they were in the late 90's and 2000's. Teams are embracing being more colorful and vibrant again, resulting in identities using bright blues, greens and whites;

 

Actually its the opposite. The Canucks switched to the navy and maroon jerseys because with the opening of the new arena and personnel changes the team was having, they wanted a more "West Coast" look than the current black red and gold uniforms were giving them.

 

The entire reason they had the black and gold colours in the first place was because the original blue and green were deemed too "passive" and they wanted a more aggressive and intimidating look. So if anything the switch to the Orca and navy was moving away from that trend. They finally went back to blue and green because they added those jerseys as throwbacks, and eventually became so popular that they got promoted to "second home and away" rather than alternates before the colours came back full time with the change over. It had little to do with tv cameras.

[kimball]

What would fix this problem about Pewter vs. Creamsicle debate would be the NFL dropping the stupid one helmet rule. Either find a way to swap out shells or do a two helmet rule.

[mafiaman]

6 hours ago, Ridleylash said:

Every single time I think the Super Bowl era uniforms and helmets were the best...someone posts a picture of the creamsicles and makes me realize how effin’ hot that whole look is.  

[FiddySicks]

11 minutes ago, kimball said:

What would fix this problem about Pewter vs. Creamsicle debate would be the NFL dropping the stupid one helmet rule. Either find a way to swap out shells or do a two helmet rule.

 

Yup. And I would buy the whole “safety” issue so much more if damn near every single other league (including the feeder league to the NFL, the NCAA) didn’t have teams with multiple options for helmet shells. Is there any actual substantiated proof that only using one helmet shell prevents head injuries? It reeks of absolute laziness on the NFL’s part. And considering their history with concussions, where they basically tried to cover up the dangers of head injuries like they were Phillip Morris trying to cover up the damages smoking causes, I can’t take a single thing they say on its face without any actual proof to back that up. And even with “proof”, I’d STILL have to question their numbers considering they basically pay “doctors” off to find these results. 

[colortv]

6 minutes ago, mafiaman said:

Every single time I think the Super Bowl era uniforms and helmets were the best...someone posts a picture of the creamsicles and makes me realize how effin’ hot that whole look is.  

 

How far we've come from when the creamsicles were considered arguably the worst uniforms in sports history.

[Gothamite]

22 minutes ago, FiddySicks said:

Yup. And I would buy the whole “safety” issue so much more if damn near every single other league (including the feeder league to the NFL, the NCAA) didn’t have teams with multiple options for helmet shells. Is there any actual substantiated proof that only using one helmet shell prevents head injuries?

 

That's not the point of the rule.

 

The rule exists so that players can use grandfathered helmets that aren't available anymore.