FiddySicks Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 3 hours ago, Buc said: Okay, you got my curiosity (and a little chuckle out of me)...qualify this, please. I was just getting into my trash talk flow a little bit and got my Mississippi towns mixed up, as I meant Biloxi On 11/19/2012 at 7:23 PM, oldschoolvikings said: She’s still half convinced “Chris Creamer” is a porn site.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MDGP Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 4 hours ago, Digby said: There's been some angst at the high school level at a couple towns I know in New England that used the Rebels moniker. Again, New England! Ought to be the least capital-R Rebel place you'll find. Makes you wonder. (The worst one I saw in the news consistently was South Burlington, Vermont. If your name is the Rebels, and your town is founded as a smaller, literally "South" version of another city, well....) I mean, I think there's a pretty solid argument that the term rebel could be used to describe the American Revolution, which itself was a rebellion for years before it turned into a full on revolution, and New England played a major role in it. Hell, the Boston Tea Party is one of most famous acts of rebellion in US history. I've got a dribbble, check it out if you like my stuff; alternatively, if you hate my stuff, send it to your enemies to punish their insolence! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tracy MidGrady Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 2 hours ago, Krz said: The high school near me (who literally uses the confederate flag as a logo). Is meeting today to discuss a change. Probably to be replaced by something generic though. Maybe you should submit them a logo package Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digby Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 36 minutes ago, MDGP said: I mean, I think there's a pretty solid argument that the term rebel could be used to describe the American Revolution, which itself was a rebellion for years before it turned into a full on revolution, and New England played a major role in it. Hell, the Boston Tea Party is one of most famous acts of rebellion in US history. Again, though, that's correct by definition and in theory, but I'm not aware of many areas where the term "rebels" has ever taken precedence over "patriots" or "colonists" (or hell, "minutemen") for that group. Other than the missives from the monarchy at the time. @Pharos04 mentioned Walpole, MA, where at least in the 90s when they were a state power in HS football, their band still played "Dixie". Fan Style ShirtsShowcasing fan-made sports apparel by artists and designers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8BW14 Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 The high school I attended uses the Rebels nickname. Coincidentally, they use the UNLV Rebel logo a lot. I don’t know if the school will move away from Rebels proactively or if it will wait until there are some rumblings from the community (which may never come, considering the very rural area where the school is located). Also, for small colleges/high schools, the cost of overhauling all of the logos/uniforms is an issue and may even be prohibitive, not making excuses, just pointing out one of the obstacles. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 have you seen her the Red Hawk girl, in action in the city at night you hear her callllll ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digby Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 Yes, if schools picked Survivor (or I'd prefer Bikini Kill) for their fight songs instead of "Dixie", we wouldn't have this conversation. Fan Style ShirtsShowcasing fan-made sports apparel by artists and designers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MCM0313 Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 18 hours ago, DEAD! said: I admit, I never thought about the mascot having a link to confederacy. I thought it was just some cowboy motif. Now that I think about it, if there was any school that should change such a mascot ... its Ole Miss. Mississipians don’t realize their side lost the Civil War, though... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
leopard88 Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 2 hours ago, FiddySicks said: I was just getting into my trash talk flow a little bit and got my Mississippi towns mixed up, as I meant Biloxi It's an easy mistake to make, with the whole Elvis-Tupelo connection and all. . . . meanwhile, I was just listening to "Tupelo Honey". Most Liked Content of the Day -- February 15, 2017, August 21, 2017, August 22, 2017 ///// Proud Winner of the CCSLC Post of the Day Award -- April 8, 2008 Originator of the Upside Down Sarcasm Smilie -- November 1, 2005 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
neo_prankster Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 On 6/18/2020 at 7:48 AM, WideRight said: Saw this article about how UNLV is removing its "Hey, Reb" statue and is considering a change of mascot due to the dubious references to the Confederacy in the Rebels moniker. https://www.si.com/college/2020/06/17/unlv-removes-hey-reb-statue-considers-mascot-change I don't want to start a debate here about whether or not Confederate symbols are appropriate. But I do have two questions which I think are worth discussing? 1. Why would a school in Nevada (very far from Dixie) that started operating in the 1950's (long after the Civil War) choose a Confederate "rebel" as a mascot? 2. What other type of mascot could be used with the name "Rebels", since that word does not have to mean "Confederate soldier"? If we could avoid the debate about the Confederacy, statues, building names, the flag, etc. and just maybe stick to these two questions, maybe we could avoid having the thread shut down. 1) The whole "Rebel" thing for UNLV was simply for the sake of creating an identity to "rebel" against their rivals from Reno. 2) "Rebel" is a relative term, depending on who or what you're rebelling from. Basically, a rebel can be anything without the Civil War connotations. The Fictional Story of Austus Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digby Posted June 19, 2020 Share Posted June 19, 2020 52 minutes ago, leopard88 said: It's an easy mistake to make, with the whole Elvis-Tupelo connection and all. . . . meanwhile, I was just listening to "Tupelo Honey". Van would be a great new Fightin Irish mascot come to think of it. Fan Style ShirtsShowcasing fan-made sports apparel by artists and designers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thaumatrope Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 10 hours ago, Digby said: The problem to me with there being a lot of schools have seized on the nickname "Rebels" -- in theory, like "Warriors", it could point to something problematic but is also generic enough to not be that thing. But I don't know if that's how it actually evolved, we don't have a generic Rebels the way we have a generic-ified Golden State Warriors sort of template. If someone can pull that off, great, but we're waiting. There's been some angst at the high school level at a couple towns I know in New England that used the Rebels moniker. Again, New England! Ought to be the least capital-R Rebel place you'll find. Makes you wonder. (The worst one I saw in the news consistently was South Burlington, Vermont. If your name is the Rebels, and your town is founded as a smaller, literally "South" version of another city, well....) So funny story. Many, many years ago when I was just out of college I submitted a design package to the South Burlington HS athletic director. I had recently done some work for another Vermont HS and the AD of that school offered to help promote my work. I put together a design based on an Ethan Allen type character (seeing as how Vermont was it's own independent republic I figured the Green Mountain Boys were a perfect rebel stand-in). The word I got back from the AD was that South Burlington HS athletics policy was to only ever use the interlocking SB monogram. Apparently their solution to the problem was to never depict a mascot of any kind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digby Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Thaumatrope said: So funny story. Many, many years ago when I was just out of college I submitted a design package to the South Burlington HS athletic director. I had recently done some work for another Vermont HS and the AD of that school offered to help promote my work. I put together a design based on an Ethan Allen type character (seeing as how Vermont was it's own independent republic I figured the Green Mountain Boys were a perfect rebel stand-in). The word I got back from the AD was that South Burlington HS athletics policy was to only ever use the interlocking SB monogram. Apparently their solution to the problem was to never depict a mascot of any kind. fair enough answer on their part I guess, though a cop out. I love the idea of a Green Mountain Boys based identity though! That’s inspired and too bad it couldn’t be used. is regular Burlington still the Seahorses? One of the all time great high school brands. Fan Style ShirtsShowcasing fan-made sports apparel by artists and designers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeypower Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 12 minutes ago, Digby said: is regular Burlington still the Seahorses? One of the all time great high school brands. They were as of the summer of 18 when the group I was with parked near there to go to the lake. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonBull9584 Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 So why is it that UNLV is the one considering the name change? Ole Miss is far more problematic, and given that both the NCAA and SEC are coming down hard on the state to change its state flag... well I'm just surprised that UNLV is ahead of Ole Miss on this. I get why UNLV is changing it, just that Ole Miss should have been first. And I think that UNLV can stay the Rebels, but they need to probably change the mascot into some sort of animal. But yeah... Ole Miss won't be the Rebels much longer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Digby Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 9 hours ago, CrimsonBull9584 said: So why is it that UNLV is the one considering the name change? Ole Miss is far more problematic, and given that both the NCAA and SEC are coming down hard on the state to change its state flag... well I'm just surprised that UNLV is ahead of Ole Miss on this. I get why UNLV is changing it, just that Ole Miss should have been first. And I think that UNLV can stay the Rebels, but they need to probably change the mascot into some sort of animal. But yeah... Ole Miss won't be the Rebels much longer. I mean, UNLV changing will spark considerably less of a culture war than Ole Miss doing so. I think that’s all there is to it. Fan Style ShirtsShowcasing fan-made sports apparel by artists and designers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CrimsonBull9584 Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 1 hour ago, Digby said: I mean, UNLV changing will spark considerably less of a culture war than Ole Miss doing so. I think that’s all there is to it. Would't it be fair to say that if UNLV does indeed change their logo and mascot, that Ole Miss would be compelled to do so? If not outright forced by the SEC and NCAA? Given current conditions, I totally see the SEC dropping Ole Miss if the state doesn't change the flag and/or UNLV changes and Ole Miss doesn't. Now that I think about it, I can see the NCAA doing what they did with Native American mascots and forcing all schools with Rebels or Confederate symbols to change. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brian in Boston Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 Vermont's South Burlington High School replaced the Rebels identity for its athletic teams three years ago. Students chose Wolves from amongst a list of 70 possible choices. A group of high school design students collaborated with a local firm - Select Design - to create a logo. Meanwhile, this past Thursday night in Massachusetts, the Walpole School Committee voted 7-0 in favor of jettisoning the Rebels nickname used by the local high school's athletic teams since 1966. No word on what the branding will be going forward. Prior to the Rebels nickname being adopted, I believe that Walpole High School's teams were dubbed the Hilltoppers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FiddySicks Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 11 hours ago, CrimsonBull9584 said: So why is it that UNLV is the one considering the name change? Ole Miss is far more problematic, and given that both the NCAA and SEC are coming down hard on the state to change its state flag... well I'm just surprised that UNLV is ahead of Ole Miss on this. I get why UNLV is changing it, just that Ole Miss should have been first. And I think that UNLV can stay the Rebels, but they need to probably change the mascot into some sort of animal. But yeah... Ole Miss won't be the Rebels much longer. Because for all the many faults the state of Nevada has, they at least understand that the tide changes over time. It’s an attempt to show that they’re trying to learn and be considerate of the larger issue at hand. Mississippi, OTOH, doesn’t think like that. They not only don’t give a single :censored: about consideration for others, they actively fight against it with the weak guise of some culture war. It’s one of the reasons the south is roundly mocked as a whole by the rest of the nation, and why Mississippi is viewed by many as the biggest cesspool of the failed experiment of Dixie. On 11/19/2012 at 7:23 PM, oldschoolvikings said: She’s still half convinced “Chris Creamer” is a porn site.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tBBP Posted June 20, 2020 Share Posted June 20, 2020 33 minutes ago, FiddySicks said: Mississippi, OTOH, doesn’t think like that. They not only don’t give a single about consideration for others, they actively fight against it with the weak guise of some culture war. It’s one of the reasons the south is roundly mocked as a whole by the rest of the nation, and why Mississippi is viewed by many as the biggest cesspool of the failed experiment of Dixie. Watch the broadstroke statements. I know you mean no ill will, but still... (Because others don't possess your insight.) And just for the record (for everyone else), there's a sizeable contingent of the deep south that mocks Mississippi all by itself--for pretty much the reason stated above. Even then, though, its mostly just old- money Good Ole Boy NIMBY Mississippi that kicks, claws and scratches the most about change--but this ain't about Ole Miss or the south; its about UNLV, so let's all keep it up there as per mod guidance lest the gates get locked on this thread... *Disclaimer: I am not an authoritative expert on stuff...I just do a lot of reading and research and keep in close connect with a bunch of people who are authoritative experts on stuff. || dribbble || Behance || Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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