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3 hours ago, Buc said:

 

Okay, you got my curiosity (and a little chuckle out of me)...qualify this, please.


I was just getting into my trash talk flow a little bit and got my Mississippi towns mixed up, as I meant Biloxi 😂

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On 11/19/2012 at 7:23 PM, oldschoolvikings said:
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4 hours ago, Digby said:

There's been some angst at the high school level at a couple towns I know in New England that used the Rebels moniker. Again, New England! Ought to be the least capital-R Rebel place you'll find. Makes you wonder. (The worst one I saw in the news consistently was South Burlington, Vermont. If your name is the Rebels, and your town is founded as a smaller, literally "South" version of another city, well....)

 

 

I mean, I think there's a pretty solid argument that the term rebel could be used to describe the American Revolution, which itself was a rebellion for years before it turned into a full on revolution, and New England played a major role in it. Hell, the Boston Tea Party is one of most famous acts of rebellion in US history.

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36 minutes ago, MDGP said:

 

I mean, I think there's a pretty solid argument that the term rebel could be used to describe the American Revolution, which itself was a rebellion for years before it turned into a full on revolution, and New England played a major role in it. Hell, the Boston Tea Party is one of most famous acts of rebellion in US history.

 

Again, though, that's correct by definition and in theory, but I'm not aware of many areas where the term "rebels" has ever taken precedence over "patriots" or "colonists" (or hell, "minutemen") for that group. Other than the missives from the monarchy at the time.

 

@Pharos04 mentioned Walpole, MA, where at least in the 90s when they were a state power in HS football, their band still played "Dixie". 

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The high school I attended uses the Rebels nickname. Coincidentally, they use  the UNLV Rebel logo a lot. I don’t know if the school will move away from Rebels proactively or if it will wait until there are some rumblings from the community (which may never come, considering the very rural area where the school is located). Also, for small colleges/high schools, the cost of overhauling all of the logos/uniforms is an issue and may even be prohibitive, not making excuses, just pointing out one of the obstacles.

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18 hours ago, DEAD! said:

I admit, I never thought about the mascot having a link to confederacy. I thought it was just some cowboy motif. Now that I think about it, if there was any school that should change such a mascot ... its Ole Miss. 

Mississipians don’t realize their side lost the Civil War, though...

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2 hours ago, FiddySicks said:


I was just getting into my trash talk flow a little bit and got my Mississippi towns mixed up, as I meant Biloxi 😂

 

It's an easy mistake to make, with the whole Elvis-Tupelo connection and all.

 

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On 6/18/2020 at 7:48 AM, WideRight said:

Saw this article about how UNLV is removing its "Hey, Reb" statue and is considering a change of mascot due to the dubious references to the Confederacy in the Rebels moniker.  

https://www.si.com/college/2020/06/17/unlv-removes-hey-reb-statue-considers-mascot-change

 

I don't want to start a debate here about whether or not Confederate symbols are appropriate.  But I do have two questions which I think are worth discussing?

 

1.  Why would a school in Nevada (very far from Dixie) that started operating in the 1950's (long after the Civil War) choose a Confederate "rebel" as a mascot? 

2. What other type of mascot could be used with the name "Rebels", since that word does not have to mean "Confederate soldier"?

 

If we could avoid the debate about the Confederacy, statues, building names, the flag, etc. and just maybe stick to these two questions, maybe we could avoid having the thread shut down.  

 

1) The whole "Rebel" thing for UNLV was simply for the sake of creating an identity to "rebel" against their rivals from Reno.

 

2) "Rebel" is a relative term, depending on who or what you're rebelling from. Basically, a rebel can be anything without the Civil War connotations.

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52 minutes ago, leopard88 said:

 

It's an easy mistake to make, with the whole Elvis-Tupelo connection and all.

 

. . . meanwhile, I was just listening to "Tupelo Honey".


Van would be a great new Fightin Irish mascot come to think of it.

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10 hours ago, Digby said:

The problem to me with there being a lot of schools have seized on the nickname "Rebels" -- in theory, like "Warriors", it could point to something problematic but is also generic enough to not be that thing. But I don't know if that's how it actually evolved, we don't have a generic Rebels the way we have a generic-ified Golden State Warriors sort of template. If someone can pull that off, great, but we're waiting.

 

There's been some angst at the high school level at a couple towns I know in New England that used the Rebels moniker. Again, New England! Ought to be the least capital-R Rebel place you'll find. Makes you wonder. (The worst one I saw in the news consistently was South Burlington, Vermont. If your name is the Rebels, and your town is founded as a smaller, literally "South" version of another city, well....)

 

 

So funny story. Many, many years ago when I was just out of college I submitted a design package to the South Burlington HS athletic director. I had recently done some work for another Vermont HS and the AD of that school offered to help promote my work. I put together a design based on an Ethan Allen type character (seeing as how Vermont was it's own independent republic I figured the Green Mountain Boys were a perfect rebel stand-in). The word I got back from the AD was that South Burlington HS athletics policy was to only ever use the interlocking SB monogram. Apparently their solution to the problem was to never depict a mascot of any kind.

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1 hour ago, Thaumatrope said:

 

So funny story. Many, many years ago when I was just out of college I submitted a design package to the South Burlington HS athletic director. I had recently done some work for another Vermont HS and the AD of that school offered to help promote my work. I put together a design based on an Ethan Allen type character (seeing as how Vermont was it's own independent republic I figured the Green Mountain Boys were a perfect rebel stand-in). The word I got back from the AD was that South Burlington HS athletics policy was to only ever use the interlocking SB monogram. Apparently their solution to the problem was to never depict a mascot of any kind.


fair enough answer on their part I guess, though a cop out. I love the idea of a Green Mountain Boys based identity though! That’s inspired and too bad it couldn’t be used. 
 

is regular Burlington still the Seahorses? One of the all time great high school brands.

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So why is it that UNLV is the one considering the name change? Ole Miss is far more problematic, and given that both the NCAA and SEC are coming down hard on the state to change its state flag... well I'm just surprised that UNLV is ahead of Ole Miss on this. I get why UNLV is changing it, just that Ole Miss should have been first. And I think that UNLV can stay the Rebels, but they need to probably change the mascot into some sort of animal. But yeah... Ole Miss won't be the Rebels much longer. 

 

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9 hours ago, CrimsonBull9584 said:

So why is it that UNLV is the one considering the name change? Ole Miss is far more problematic, and given that both the NCAA and SEC are coming down hard on the state to change its state flag... well I'm just surprised that UNLV is ahead of Ole Miss on this. I get why UNLV is changing it, just that Ole Miss should have been first. And I think that UNLV can stay the Rebels, but they need to probably change the mascot into some sort of animal. But yeah... Ole Miss won't be the Rebels much longer. 

 


I mean, UNLV changing will spark considerably less of a culture war than Ole Miss doing so. I think that’s all there is to it.

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1 hour ago, Digby said:


I mean, UNLV changing will spark considerably less of a culture war than Ole Miss doing so. I think that’s all there is to it.

Would't it be fair to say that if UNLV does indeed change their logo and mascot, that Ole Miss would be compelled to do so? If not outright forced by the SEC and NCAA? Given current conditions, I totally see the SEC dropping Ole Miss if the state doesn't change the flag and/or UNLV changes and Ole Miss doesn't. 

 

Now that I think about it, I can see the NCAA doing what they did with Native American mascots and forcing all schools with Rebels or Confederate symbols to change.

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Vermont's South Burlington High School replaced the Rebels identity for its athletic teams three years ago. Students chose Wolves from amongst a list of 70 possible choices. A group of high school design students collaborated with a local firm - Select Design - to create a logo.

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Meanwhile, this past Thursday night in Massachusetts, the Walpole School Committee voted 7-0 in favor of jettisoning the Rebels nickname used by the local high school's athletic teams since 1966. No word on what the branding will be going forward. Prior to the Rebels nickname being adopted, I believe that Walpole High School's teams were dubbed the Hilltoppers.   

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11 hours ago, CrimsonBull9584 said:

So why is it that UNLV is the one considering the name change? Ole Miss is far more problematic, and given that both the NCAA and SEC are coming down hard on the state to change its state flag... well I'm just surprised that UNLV is ahead of Ole Miss on this. I get why UNLV is changing it, just that Ole Miss should have been first. And I think that UNLV can stay the Rebels, but they need to probably change the mascot into some sort of animal. But yeah... Ole Miss won't be the Rebels much longer. 

 


Because for all the many faults the state of Nevada has, they at least understand that the tide changes over time. It’s an attempt to show that they’re trying to learn and be considerate of the larger issue at hand.  
 

Mississippi, OTOH, doesn’t think like that. They not only don’t give a single :censored: about consideration for others, they actively fight against it with the weak guise of some culture war. It’s one of the reasons the south is roundly mocked as a whole by the rest of the nation, and why Mississippi is viewed by many as the biggest cesspool of the failed experiment of Dixie. 

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On 11/19/2012 at 7:23 PM, oldschoolvikings said:
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33 minutes ago, FiddySicks said:

 Mississippi, OTOH, doesn’t think like that. They not only don’t give a single :censored: about consideration for others, they actively fight against it with the weak guise of some culture war. It’s one of the reasons the south is roundly mocked as a whole by the rest of the nation, and why Mississippi is viewed by many as the biggest cesspool of the failed experiment of Dixie. 

 

Watch the broadstroke statements. I know you mean no ill will, but still... (Because others don't possess your insight.)

 

And just for the record (for everyone else), there's a sizeable contingent of the deep south that mocks Mississippi all by itself--for pretty much the reason stated above. 😉 Even then, though, its mostly just old- money Good Ole Boy NIMBY Mississippi that kicks, claws and scratches the most about change--but this ain't about Ole Miss or the south; its about UNLV, so let's all keep it up there as per mod guidance lest the gates get locked on this thread...

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