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Washington NFL Franchise Retires Name and Logo

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1 minute ago, infrared41 said:

 

Or....you could simply come to terms with the fact that your team did the right thing and embrace it.

Honestly, when this whole name change thing came up this time, I would've been perfectly content if they would've just dropped Redskins and not replace it with another nickname, just be known as Washington like the media has been calling them anyways.

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It baffles me when I see people saying “Warriors” is too generic and “Redwolves” and “Redtails” are unique so they choose one of those and roll with it.

 

First of all, just because it’s unique doesn’t mean it’s good.

 

Second, as I’ve pointed out in other posts, Warriors isn’t strictly tied to Native American culture and can be tastefully executed in numerous ways.

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1 minute ago, Moseph said:

Honestly, when this whole name change thing came up this time, I would've been perfectly content if they would've just dropped Redskins and not replace it with another nickname, just be known as Washington like the media has been calling them anyways.

People call for no nickname in these situations all the time, see North Dakota, but in the end people and organizations want to avoid being perceived as petulant and ultimately understand that no nickname is nothing more than an open invitation to fill in the blank. Excited to see Washington move on with a new nickname.

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4 minutes ago, DNAsports said:

Second, as I’ve pointed out in other posts, Warriors isn’t strictly tied to Native American culture and can be tastefully executed in numerous ways.

 

Like this, for example. 😎

 

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4 minutes ago, infrared41 said:

 

Like this, for example. 😎

 

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Or this

 

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51 minutes ago, infrared41 said:

Believing that the NCAI represents all Native Americans is as silly as believing that Nickelback represents all rock bands. I'm not knocking the NCAI, I'm just saying it isn't the be all end all Native American organization. The funny thing to me about this is how so many people seem to believe that all Native Americans think the same way.


Absolutely nobody thinks that all Native Americans are a monolithic group.  Quite the opposite, actually, has been stated on this thread.

 

And while the NCAI doesn’t represent all individual Native people, it does represent the Native nations.  And as such, it is as close to an authority on consensus among those nations as we can get.  When they pass a resolution on a topic, those of us on the outside really ought to pay attention.

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5 minutes ago, SCL said:

People call for no nickname in these situations all the time, see North Dakota, but in the end people and organizations want to avoid being perceived as petulant and ultimately understand that no nickname is nothing more than an open invitation to fill in the blank. Excited to see Washington move on with a new nickname.

It really doesn't matter what they pick though, if certain people want to still call them the Redskins independent of that actually being the name they are going to do that. They can rename the Sears Tower 1000 different things but that's what people will always refer to it as

And they are kind of precieved as petulant anyway given they are only doing this because sponsors pressured them, not a single person thinks they are doing this in good faith because they feel the name was wrong.

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3 minutes ago, DNAsports said:

It baffles me when I see people saying “Warriors” is too generic and “Redwolves” and “Redtails” are unique so they choose one of those and roll with it.

 

First of all, just because it’s unique doesn’t mean it’s good.

 

Second, as I’ve pointed out in other posts, Warriors isn’t strictly tied to Native American culture and can be tastefully executed in numerous ways.


The tricky part is not to get stuck in a Marquette Gold situation. They went from Warriors to Golden Eagles, which was little generic, then pivoted to something more unique in Gold which was embarrassing and had to go back to Golden Eagles. 
 

Washington can still go with something in the sweet spot (I like Redtails and Redwolves is growing on me). I think going with uniforms that recall team history will history will help. It certainly helped Marquette when the switched from more bland uniforms to the powder blues in the Jimmy Butler era. 
 

Id opt for keeping the current design for the next couple years but then using the Baugh era numbers mixed with the Lombardi uniform (except for a burgundy helmet). 

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However, I think it could also be interpreted as “forced erasure,” and while that can also be an impactful statement against those injustices the same way a taped mouth communicates suppressed speech, it’s also a counterpoint used by many who are against the removal of the name.

 

Yeah, but they’re not arguing in good faith if they have to resort to “We won’t honor the request of Native people because doing so would erase Native people.” 😛

 

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I keep circling back to the name “Spirits.”

 

It’s a name that, above all, conveys respect and reverence. It’s something that holds extreme importance to many indigenous cultures and is often associated with them, but wouldn’t have to rely on native imagery to succeed and, in some capacity, it’s also universal to nearly every culture across the world. It’s easy to tie it to aviation and the military (the well-known B-2 aircraft, Arlington National Cemetery), and I like that it can be positioned as keeping “the spirit of the team” alive while moving into this new era. I’m not saying it’s *the* name, but I think the concept has loads of promise. What do you (or anyone else, for that matter) think about something along that train of thought

 

It would be very unusual for a military fetish to focus on dead soldiers.  Honest, maybe, but also very unusual. 

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1 hour ago, infrared41 said:

 

Believing that the NCAI represents all Native Americans is as silly as believing that Nickelback represents all rock bands. I'm not knocking the NCAI, I'm just saying it isn't the be all end all Native American organization. The funny thing to me about this is how so many people seem to believe that all Native Americans think the same way.

That was kinda my point; that even though the NCAI opposes these names, individual tribes (who make up the NCAI) have given them the go-ahead.

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On 7/13/2020 at 11:27 PM, Raptorman415 said:

Really? I thought at some point they would be due for a win. Heard some clown lost all his money because of the Generals a while back. Shame

They've actually won at least one time. 

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45 minutes ago, Gothamite said:

 

 

 

Yeah, but they’re not arguing in good faith if they have to resort to “We won’t honor the request of Native people because doing so would erase Native people.” 😛

 

 

It would be very unusual for a military fetish to focus on dead soldiers.  Honest, maybe, but also very unusual. 


Oh yeah. I know there’s very little, if any ground to stand on for someone using that notion to support their argument, I just want to take away every square inch of that ground (and yes, I love that there’s no shortage of malicious poetic justice in the way I phrased that last sentence 😂).

 

No argument on the soldiers. Personally, I wouldn’t focus on Arlington as a major component of the brand, but I do like that fans who want those tributes can have them with a name like this, even if they’re not overt. I see it more like a single phrase in a long sentence about all the things the name represents or is inspired by rather than a permanent part of the identity.

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4 hours ago, Moseph said:

If that's what you asked to be called then sure, I would oblige. However, I would never call somebody that out of the blue. I may be naive to the meaning of the word and haven't done any research on it myself, but in my 30 years on this earth, I have never personally heard anyone use it as a racial slur or anything else for that matter other than to refer to the football team here in Washington. I know you have to take everything on the internet with a grain of salt and do your own research, but I've heard Redskin be called a racial slur by some, others say it came about from scalping, and I've also heard that its a term that originated as a self identifier by the Native Americans themselves so I'm not really sure what's true and what's not.

It's defined as a slur in the dictionary.

 

3 hours ago, Gothamite said:

And while the NCAI doesn’t represent all individual Native people, it does represent the Native nations.  And as such, it is as close to an authority on consensus among those nations as we can get.  When they pass a resolution on a topic, those of us on the outside really ought to pay attention.

 

3 hours ago, sportsfan7 said:

That was kinda my point; that even though the NCAI opposes these names, individual tribes (who make up the NCAI) have given them the go-ahead.

Worth pointing out for the sake of honesty.

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I'm glad the name is changing but I will miss their logo and classic uniforms. I think it would have been nice for them to keep the Redskins logo in honour of the Blackfoot man that designed it.

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2 hours ago, Chewbacca said:

I'm glad the name is changing but I will miss their logo and classic uniforms. I think it would have been nice for them to keep the Redskins logo in honour of the Blackfoot man that designed it.

 

The name and logo don't exist in separate bubbles. In my opinion, any honor in the logo was undercut by the racial slur it was paired with.

 

I would just like to take a moment to revel in the fact that we're openly discussing this issue on this site after it wasn't allowed for so long... this feels like my 21st birthday 😂

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1 hour ago, lahaye7 said:

go EPL and call them DCFC and have Fed Ex logo on the helmet and jerseys /s

 

Did you know there's a hidden arrow inside the FexEx logo? Did you!?

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