2020 NFL Season

[Lana_del_Bae]

1 hour ago, DnBronc said:

 

So, boxing has been fixed from time immemorial, but you are saying that the NFL can't be fixed (and players can't be told to take a dive)?

The NFL fixed a game's result to be a blowout instead of the classic passing of the torch from the GOAT to the next generation's GOAT who also happens to be very marketable

 

Source: some angry nerd's blogspot

[FiddySicks]

57 minutes ago, the admiral said:

I don't think there was any rigging involved, but it's so ridiculous that the Buccaneers limped along for years as a non-factor in the division, let alone league, then Tom Brady parachutes in and the team just cruises right past the 17-1 Chiefs to a Super Bowl win. Was Jameis Winston that bad? Where'd this defense come from? Weird.

Yes. He was that goddamn bad. So bad, in fact, that it completely overshadowed just how good this defense really is. Despite all of the additions, the defense that just won the Super Bowl is basically the same group who watched Jameis throw them out of games enough to be 7-9 the previous season. It was absolutely infuriating how inopportune his mistakes were. 

[MJWalker45]

1 hour ago, the admiral said:

I don't think there was any rigging involved, but it's so ridiculous that the Buccaneers limped along for years as a non-factor in the division, let alone league, then Tom Brady parachutes in and the team just cruises right past the 17-1 Chiefs to a Super Bowl win. Was Jameis Winston that bad? Where'd this defense come from? Weird.

To be fair, the defense was never the issue. A quarterback throwing 30 TDs and 30 INT's as opposed to Tom Brady, who helps them stay off of the field is a hidden bonus. 

[The_Admiral]

23 minutes ago, FiddySicks said:

Yes. He was that goddamn bad. So bad, in fact, that it completely overshadowed just how good this defense really is. Despite all of the additions, the defense that just won the Super Bowl is basically the same group who watched Jameis throw them out of games enough to be 7-9 the previous season. It was absolutely infuriating how inopportune his mistakes were. 

 

Jameis Winston is an interesting player in The Narrative because him getting to play in Tampa was an example of rape culture, but then him not getting to play in New Orleans was an example of white supremacy. Now he's one of the biggest addition-by-subtraction cases in sports history. You don't know whether to sh-t or wind your watch. Does it even matter whether backing up Taysom Hill was white supremacy if replacing him was the difference between reliably missing the playoffs and an effortless Super Bowl victory?

[IceCap]

1 hour ago, the admiral said:

Was Jameis Winston that bad?

Yes.

[SFGiants58]

10 minutes ago, the admiral said:

 

...but then him not getting to play in New Orleans was an example of white supremacy.

 

I don't think anybody made much of a stink about it, IIRC. I get why somebody would do it, but he was Jameis "turnover bakery" Winston. White supremacy arguments are best saved for the whole Kaepernick situation, which will be with the NFL until he's too old to reasonably play, but even then he will still be held against the whole league. Meanwhile, we'll hold Winston against the Tallahassee PD because college town PD's like to sweep uncomfortable stuff under the rug. If Waco PD could've swept Carlton Dotson murdering Patrick Dennehy under the rug, they'd have leapt at the chance.

 

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Does it even matter whether backing up Taysom Hill was white supremacy if replacing him was the difference between reliably missing the playoffs and an effortless Super Bowl victory?

 

No, it doesn't, because anybody with critical thinking would realize that Winston was a legitimately terrible player who probably should've been investigated more thoroughly. 

 

Then again, "rape culture" has no meaning for the NFL.

 

[IceCap]

On 2/8/2021 at 9:40 AM, Olmec said:

IMO, Tom Brady has cemented himself as the greatest to ever play and win his sport. There were arguments to be made for Montana and Manning but that's moot at this point. This puts him in the same company as Jordan and Gretzky. I don't think baseball has a "GOAT" yet, definitely a distinguished number of guys who are/were great during their time or a period of time but not ALL-TIME. That distinction is reserved for Brady, Jordan, and Gretzky.

Agreed that Brady's pretty much the GOAT of QBs, but you still deserved to be shamed for calling Mahomes a "serviceable" QB. 

The guy is an incredible talent and made some insane throws despite being eaten alive by a fantastic defence. No QB would do well facing the pressure Mahomes faced and he handled it better than most would have. 

[The_Admiral]

Zombie Deadspin was in a state about Winston not getting to play, as I recall. Maybe they don't count. It's probably best to decide they don't count.

[IceCap]

On 2/8/2021 at 1:02 PM, DNAsports said:

It’s a bit odd and strange, but not surprising, how seemingly every sports media outlet has to point out that Brady beat Brees, Rodgers, and Mahomes to get this Super Bowl win. Yet, they all somehow forget that Tampa Bay had to go through a Taylor Heinicke-led Washington Football Team to get to this point.

You can only beat who they put in front of you. And the Bucs beat the Saints, Packers, and Chiefs. Three teams led by Super Bowl MVP QBs. And teams the Bucs went 1-3 against in the regular season. 

 

On 2/8/2021 at 1:18 PM, neo_prankster said:

 

I say Brady cemented himself as an enabled cheater and liar. Period.

[Red Comet]

25 minutes ago, the admiral said:

Zombie Deadspin was in a state about Winston not getting to play, as I recall. Maybe they don't count. It's probably best to decide they don't count.

 

It's all about those clicks. And nothing generates clicks like stoking the fires of racial strife. 

 

As for why they'd do that? No clue. But number 6 won't surprise you at all.

[DCarp1231]

13 minutes ago, IceCap said:

You can only beat who they put in front of you. And the Bucs beat the Saints, Packers, and Chiefs. Three teams led by Super Bowl MVP QBs. And teams the Bucs went 1-3 against in the regular season. 

and Washington. Sure the team wasn’t led by a Super Bowl MVP QB, but to not include them in the discussion about who Tampa Bay had to beat (and barely, at that) in the playoffs to get to this point is negligent.

[IceCap]

15 minutes ago, DNAsports said:

and Washington. Sure the team wasn’t led by a Super Bowl MVP QB, but to not include them in the discussion about who Tampa Bay had to beat (and barely, at that) in the playoffs to get to this point is negligent.

Negligent? I don't think so. That's a strong word. 

 

Does having a close game against The Football Team negate the murderers row they had to go through after that? Nah. 

[DCarp1231]

3 minutes ago, IceCap said:

Negligent? I don't think so. That's a strong word. 

 

Does having a close game The Football Team negate the murderers row they had to go through after that? Nah. 

I’m not saying it negates anything, but why would you start the discussion by pretending a win in the Wild Card round just didn’t exist in the path to another ring?

[IceCap]

3 hours ago, Lana_del_Bae said:

The NFL fixed a game's result to be a blowout instead of the classic passing of the torch from the GOAT to the next generation's GOAT who also happens to be very marketable

 

Source: some angry nerd's blogspot

Exactly. It's clear @DnBronc doesn't watch pro wrestling because if he did he'd realize how silly the "NFL IS RIGGED!" conspiracy theory is. 

 

At WrestleMania 18 (or X-8, to use the parlance of the times) they had the Rock face Hulk Hogan. The two had a classic match and the Rock won because why wouldn't he? The Rock was the younger star, insanely marketable, and poised to be the face of the company for the long haul (that he'd go even further and become a legit movie star within a year was something no one foresaw at the time). 

 

At WrestleManias XXVII-29 the Rock returned to engage in a three year feud with John Cena. They had two great matches and Cena eventually prevailed. Why wouldn't he? The Rock was the old timer and Cena was the new face of the company. 

 

Point is the NFL had a Super Bowl between the best QB of the past twenty years and the next great QB talent, who has proven very marketable. If the NFL were fixing games this would have been a shootout where Mahomes played just well enough to overcome Brady. They would have shaken hands after the game as fireworks went off, and Mahomes would have gone on to become the new face of the NFL. That's how any competently booked promotion would have done it.

 

Instead Brady's Bucs scored four TDs and a field goal while Mahomes got swallowed whole by a Bucs defence out for blood. 

 

If the NFL were pro wrestling we'd all be  ing at the bookers for burying Mahomes, the new up and coming face who could have used the rub. 

 

1 hour ago, DNAsports said:

I’m not saying it negates anything, but why would you start the discussion by pretending a win in the Wild Card round just didn’t exist in the path to another ring?

Because "Brady and Bucs Go Through Brees, Rogers, Mahomes, and Heinicke" seems a bit silly. 

 

Maybe if the Football Team had kept Dwayne Haskins 

[dont care]

16 minutes ago, DNAsports said:

I’m not saying it negates anything, but why would you start the discussion by pretending a win in the Wild Card round just didn’t exist in the path to another ring?

It’s not that it didn’t exist, it’s that beating a 7-9 team in the playoffs on their 3rd(?) string qb isn’t worth mentioning when they had to beat all higher seeds, teams that they went 1-3 against in the regular season, against 3 of the best qb’s of this generation is a much better story.

[Red Comet]

I always found it humorous that people saying wrestling is "rigged" think it's a detracting point. It's about as rigged as your local theater performance is but I don't hear people complain about that. 

 

Also, pretty sure if someone had irrefutable proof of the NFL being rigged, they'd be a billionaire. 

[SFGiants58]

23 minutes ago, IceCap said:

Instead Brady's Bucs scored four TDs and a field goal while Mahomes got swallowed whole by a Bucs defence out for blood. 

 

If the NFL were pro wrestling we'd all be  ing at the bookers for burying Mahomes, the new up and coming face who could have used the rub. 

I made the Jackie Chun/Roshi vs. Son Goku comparison earlier. This Super Bowl was akin to Jackie Chun turning Goku into a rag doll and barely giving the young fighter any opportunities. That would’ve made for a boring manga/anime and it certainly made for a somewhat less entertaining Super Bowl.

[BBTV]

1 hour ago, IceCap said:

At WrestleManias XXVII-19 the Rock returned to engage in a three year feud with John Cena. They had two great matches and Cena eventually prevailed. Why wouldn't he? The Rock was the old timer and Cena was the new face of the company. 

 

Point is the NFL had a Super Bowl between the best QB of the past twenty years and the next great QB talent, who has proven very marketable. If the NFL were fixing games this would have been a shootout where Mahomes played just well enough to overcome Brady. They would have shaken hands after the game as fireworks went off, and Mahomes would have gone on to become the new face of the NFL. That's how any competently booked promotion would have done it.

 

Actually, if the NFL was fixing games, isn't having Brady win exactly what they should do?

 

To use your analogy, Brady beating Mahomes was like Rock over Cena at XXVIII.  The league would/should fix next year to have the epic rematch, where it's an LII-style shootout that ends up with Mahomes making one more play than Brady to win it, and then they have an epic handshake at mid field (and maybe a literal torch to pass because otherwise fans wouldn't get it.)

 

 

[FiddySicks]

1 hour ago, DNAsports said:

and Washington. Sure the team wasn’t led by a Super Bowl MVP QB, but to not include them in the discussion about who Tampa Bay had to beat (and barely, at that) in the playoffs to get to this point is negligent.

Weird to make the “Their path to winning the Super Bowl wasn’t that hard, you guys.” point but you’re certainly free to make it if you so choose. I’m still good with it! 

[The_Admiral]

It was a hard path and yet it was never in doubt. And as a 5 seed, at that.