DCarp1231 Posted September 14, 2020 Author Share Posted September 14, 2020 15 hours ago, AustinFromBoston said: 0, 00, and (depending on the team) 99. Is this generally speaking or did you have a team in mind? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
M4One Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 The Canucks have unofficially retired # 11 for Wayne Maki, who died in 1974 from brain cancer. Mark Messier had it written into his contract that he got to wear number 11 when he signed with the Canucks, even though the Maki family protested it. Nobody since has wore number 11. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AustinFromBoston Posted September 14, 2020 Share Posted September 14, 2020 2 hours ago, DNAsports said: Is this generally speaking or did you have a team in mind? Depends on the team. I've seen a few teams use 99, but i still think it's a pretty uncommon. Generally, I don't see 0 or 00 used that much. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnPheitseog Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 13 hours ago, AustinFromBoston said: Depends on the team. I've seen a few teams use 99, but i still think it's a pretty uncommon. Generally, I don't see 0 or 00 used that much. Basketball is the only sport that I know of that it (0 or 00) is considered acceptable. Marty Biron(Sabres) used to wear it, but was forced to change. Formerly known as DiePerske Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 55 minutes ago, _J_ said: Basketball is the only sport that I know of that it (0 or 00) is considered acceptable. Marty Biron(Sabres) used to wear it, but was forced to change. I'd argue that while it's allowed in basketball and baseball, it's never "acceptable". It's cute when someone like Omar Olivares wears 00, or Al Oliver wears 0, but other than that I'm not a fan. Especially when there's a 0 and 00. That's the same number. A similar, but more absurd example, was when Benito Santiago went with 09. GTFO - your number isn't that important that you need to go to that length to keep it. "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Admiral Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 I think Santiago zero-padded his number because his catching gear would have blocked the whole number out if it were a single digit. "Then why not use a normal two-digit number?" Don't ask me! 00 looks cool, more players should wear it. Double-zero hero. ♫ oh yeah, board goes on, long after the thrill of postin' is gone ♫ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
monkeypower Posted September 15, 2020 Share Posted September 15, 2020 5 hours ago, BBTV said: Especially when there's a 0 and 00. That's the same number. Numerically and mathematically yes, but on the back of a jersey and written on a scoresheet I don't think they're any different than 1 and 11, 2 and 22 or any other double number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCarp1231 Posted September 15, 2020 Author Share Posted September 15, 2020 I’d be totally okay with the NFL allowing the use of 0. However, with the following stipulations attached- Can be used by any player during preseason. Only used by QBs, Kickers, and Punters in regular season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnPheitseog Posted September 17, 2020 Share Posted September 17, 2020 On 9/15/2020 at 8:43 AM, BBTV said: I'd argue that while it's allowed in basketball and baseball, it's never "acceptable". It's cute when someone like Omar Olivares wears 00, or Al Oliver wears 0, but other than that I'm not a fan. Especially when there's a 0 and 00. That's the same number. A similar, but more absurd example, was when Benito Santiago went with 09. GTFO - your number isn't that important that you need to go to that length to keep it. Fair point. The way I understand it(could have changed) is that in the NBA all single digit numbers are treated as if there is a zero in from. Ie, Kyle Lowry's number is technically 07 and not 7, even though he wears 7. With that, you cant have a 0 and a 00 or a 07 and a 7 because theyre the same number as far as the NBA is concerned. Formerly known as DiePerske Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferdinand Cesarano Posted September 18, 2020 Share Posted September 18, 2020 On 9/15/2020 at 8:43 AM, BBTV said: I'd argue that while it's allowed in basketball and baseball, it's never "acceptable". If the Yankees do it, that means it's acceptable. The thing that I take issue with here is a pitcher wearing a single-digit number, which is a very bad look. On 9/15/2020 at 8:43 AM, BBTV said: ...I'm not a fan. Especially when there's a 0 and 00. That's the same number. This I agree with. I love the 1985 Blue Jays, and I'm a huge fan of Cliff Johnson. But that was not the right thing to do. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moosejaw7 Posted September 19, 2020 Share Posted September 19, 2020 As a Washington fan I can't believe that I never noticed how few retired numbers they have. I mean, as a kid I worshipped Monk and Green, and I would think their numbers HAVE to be retired. But I also can't believe that they haven't retired Riggins, Jurgensen, or any of the Hogs... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Classic Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 On 9/16/2020 at 7:21 PM, _J_ said: Fair point. The way I understand it(could have changed) is that in the NBA all single digit numbers are treated as if there is a zero in from. Ie, Kyle Lowry's number is technically 07 and not 7, even though he wears 7. With that, you cant have a 0 and a 00 or a 07 and a 7 because theyre the same number as far as the NBA is concerned. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCarp1231 Posted September 20, 2020 Author Share Posted September 20, 2020 19 hours ago, moosejaw7 said: As a Washington fan I can't believe that I never noticed how few retired numbers they have. I mean, as a kid I worshipped Monk and Green, and I would think their numbers HAVE to be retired. But I also can't believe that they haven't retired Riggins, Jurgensen, or any of the Hogs... Off the top of my head, numbers that SHOULD BE retired but aren’t- 7 (Theismann, out of circulation from 1986-2019 [Haskins] ) 9 (Jurgensen) 21 (Taylor) 27 (as in my OP, it’s been out of circulation since 2010, but should’ve been retired with Ken Houston) 28 (Green) 30 (Br. Mitchell) 44 (Riggins) 59 (Fletcher) 60 (Samuels) 70 (Huff) 72 (Manley) 81 (Monk) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnPheitseog Posted September 20, 2020 Share Posted September 20, 2020 10 hours ago, Classic said: Like I said, could have changed and looks like it has. Dont like it. Formerly known as DiePerske Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OnWis97 Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 On 9/15/2020 at 6:45 AM, _J_ said: Basketball is the only sport that I know of that it (0 or 00) is considered acceptable. Marty Biron(Sabres) used to wear it, but was forced to change. They now allow it in college football. I don't recall what team, but I saw a WR wearing that number a week or two ago. It was jarring. Disclaimer: If this comment is about an NBA uniform from 2017-2018 or later, do not constitute a lack of acknowledgement of the corporate logo to mean anything other than "the corporate logo is terrible and makes the uniform significantly worse." BADGERS TWINS VIKINGS TIMBERWOLVES WILD POTD (Shared) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnPheitseog Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 5 minutes ago, OnWis97 said: They now allow it in college football. I don't recall what team, but I saw a WR wearing that number a week or two ago. It was jarring. It's weird. I don't have an objection to it in theory, but it just looks weird in practice. Formerly known as DiePerske Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ManillaToad Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 On 9/20/2020 at 1:14 AM, Classic said: the NBA has such bizarre uniforms nowadays, good lord Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 On 9/18/2020 at 10:37 AM, Ferdinand Cesarano said: If the Yankees do it, that means it's acceptable. Surprising since you're such a "golden age" person. My "research" shows that the first 0 was probably '78 (Al Oliver) while the first non-"name is 0 so LOL I'll wear 0" was in '79 by George Scott, who was traded to KC and only wore it for a couple dozen games. Numbers started being worn what - in the '30s? Why would it take nearly 50 years for someone to wear 0? Do you think the team/leagues prohibited it? Or just that none of the thousands of players during that period thought it was a good number to wear? "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ferdinand Cesarano Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 1 hour ago, BBTV said: Numbers started being worn what - in the '30s? Why would it take nearly 50 years for someone to wear 0? Do you think the team/leagues prohibited it? Or just that none of the thousands of players during that period thought it was a good number to wear? My guess is that the number 0 had the connotation of "nothing" and "worthless", and so was not something that anyone really coveted. The first wearer of any form of 0 was, I think, Jim Otto of the Raiders, who wore 00 starting in the early 1960s in the AFL, lasting through to the end of his career in the mid-1970s, at which point the NFL outlawed the number. Otto obviously took the number from the letters of his name. He made the number look tough and rugged, and undoubtedly contributed to the erosion of any negative connotation. And, as you note, Al Oliver debuted the number in baseball. Though I must admit that I did not remember his wearing 0 as early as 1978 with Texas. I thought that he first wore it with Montreal in 1982, probably because he looked so cool in that uniform. (Side note: look at those beautiful stirrups. That's what a ballplayer looks like.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AnPheitseog Posted September 21, 2020 Share Posted September 21, 2020 Possibly additional to this I know know about other sports, but I know rugby union(and I believe soccer did as well) has numbers tied to the positions rather than players having free choice. Rugby is 1-15 for the starters based on position with no choice in the matter. These numbers started with 1, so I think it might be a holdover from this era. Formerly known as DiePerske Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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