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9 minutes ago, dont care said:

Atleast they did it after the renovations were complete. I could see places like lambeau doing the same if they aren’t already

The costs of renovation will continue to rise and the Cubs would lose a lot of their mystique if they moved to a new park. Same for Boston. 

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Just now, MJWalker45 said:

The costs of renovation will continue to rise and the Cubs would lose a lot of their mystique if they moved to a new park. Same for Boston. 

I don’t disagree with any of that. I was just saying it’s good they waited until after the renovations to not look like a move completely for money reasons

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I haven't been in 8 years, but Fenway was a dump.  Wrigley has a certain charm to it, but there was really none of that at Fenway.  Between the two, Boston needs a new park first.

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The author of that seems pretty confident that it would be privately financed.  If so then let's get a shovel in the ground and start setting the precedent that this is the way parks need to be built now.  I don't know the Blue Jays specific situation, but if they're one of the teams saying they're losing hundreds of millions this year (and laying off employees) then it may be a bad look to announce that they're going to spend $1B on a new park.

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Rogers is one half of Canada's telecommunications duopoly. They should be able to afford it.

 

Building on the site of the SkyDome would be trouble, because there's really nowhere else for them to go. They'd have to go to Buffalo, fashion a baseball field out of the soccer stadium, or -- perish the thought -- go to Montreal.

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Realistically, unless demo and construction techniques have improved drastically, they'd be without a home park for two seasons.

 

I'm not sure Canadian fans would love having to cross a border twice just to see a game - and I'm not sure the border crossings would want that extra traffic either, so Buffalo would probably be out.  Montreal is an interesting possibility if they could get Olympic Stadium baseball ready again, but would a team really leave its own home market?

 

It would have been perfect had they come up with this plan a while ago, because it's likely that there will be a second season in a row where Skydome isn't occupied, so this is the perfect opportunity to tear it down - but they're probably at least two years away from doing anything.

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Do you think the Blue Jays are a bad enough dude to move to the suburbs? I'm sure they could find land in Mississauga or York Region if they had to, but that could be real hell to get to.

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40 minutes ago, the admiral said:

Do you think the Blue Jays are a bad enough dude to move to the suburbs? I'm sure they could find land in Mississauga or York Region if they had to, but that could be real hell to get to.

uh.... yeah, good luck convincing anyone from Oshawa to have to travel across the 401 in Toronto during rush hour on a Wednesday night.... 

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1 hour ago, the admiral said:

Do you think the Blue Jays are a bad enough dude to move to the suburbs? I'm sure they could find land in Mississauga or York Region if they had to, but that could be real hell to get to.

 

There was nothing indicating that they're looking to do that.  I wonder if they could do a partial Demolition of Skydome one offseason, let them play in it the next season, then finish the demo and rebuild over the next full season, which would at least make it only one year away from home.  Basically Ax it after 2021, then Smash it after 2022.

 

Didn't Cincinnati do something like that - they blew up Riverfront's outfield and kept playing there?

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Yeah, but that seems harder to do with the SkyDome, which is a big concrete fortress. 

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8 hours ago, the admiral said:

Yeah, but that seems harder to do with the SkyDome, which is a big concrete fortress. 

That and there are railway tracks directly north 

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On 11/23/2020 at 5:01 AM, BBTV said:

I haven't been in 8 years, but Fenway was a dump.  Wrigley has a certain charm to it, but there was really none of that at Fenway.  Between the two, Boston needs a new park first.


I went to Wrigley expecting it to be kind of a dump, but instead found probably the coolest overall setup for a sporting event I’ve ever seen. Totally unique, and unlike anything I’ve seen in pro ballparks over here. I expected a lot of the same with Fenway, and it was, but instead of it being an entire neighborhood worth of that, it was all crammed into a city block. I get Fenway’s mystique, but I was surprised how much of a mess the whole setup was. You can’t see the field at all unless you’re in your seats, and even then it’s still not a great view and really cramped. The sentiment of “You’re there to watch the game!” is really nice, but this is also the 21st century. They’re going to eventually lose out on some pretty basic revenue opportunities if they keep that park. 

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22 minutes ago, DEAD! said:

Fenway looks less of a baseball stadium than it is a football stadium. 


it worked shockingly well when they’ve had Liverpool and Roma played friendlies there. Shocked they haven’t done that more.

 

What they’ve done to Fenway since the 90s is a miracle of engineering. Right field and the first base line are probably impossible to fix, both in the seats and in the concourse, but otherwise the place is barely recognizable as the true dump it was in the 90s.

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I'll be shocked if Fenway ever goes away. There's just too much history associated with it. 

I don't know what they would do for a new stadium either. Can't tear down Fenway, and everything on Lansdowne/Jersey st(Yawkey way) is centered around Fenway. 

 

I do love the renovations they've done though. The Green Monster seats were an absolutely genius idea and unlike any experience you'll get at any ball park. I love Rooftop Deck out in Right Field too. 

For an old ballpark, it still is pretty uniform, Football Games are fun to watch there, and the winter classic was really nice as well. 

 

Biggest problem is the lower grandstands, which honestly hasn't been changed in 100 years. Still the same crappy tiny wooden seats that can barely fit the fat asses of modern day Americans, and if you're really lucky, you get the old fashioned "obstructed viewing" seat with a perfect view of one of the many steel beams keeping up the ballpark. 

 

 

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Even beyond the history, there's nowhere to put a new Fenway. The two sites that were bandied about when they almost DID build a new Fenway in the 90s are now all developed. Ownership has made clear they're going to continue what they've been doing, with rebuilding the park and the surrounding neighborhood bit by bit. Not that they have any other choice at this point anyway, but it's done well enough for them so far.

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Reposting from the COVID thread.  Regarding the suggestion that MLB might try to expand in order to recoup some of this year's losses:

 

Dave Dombrowski, who was involved in the Nashville Stars MLB effort just abandoned that to join the Phillies.  He was asked several times about why he left that after being so passionate about bringing baseball to Nashville, and he said that after a lot of very recent talks with Manfred and some owners, he was basically told that there's no expansion any time soon, and he said that he realized that the ballpark hurdle was incredibly big.  So while he thinks it's a "when" rather than "if" scenario for Nashville, the "when" is farther out than he had thought, and he couldn't stick with it anymore.

 

EDIT:

He also literally said that while he's not coming into Philadelphia any time soon because nobody is working in the office anyway, he just had COVID and recovered, so "I’ve got antibodies now, so if any of you see me, you don’t have to be afraid you’re going to catch it".  Guess he doesn't realize that said antibodies don't last forever.

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Expansion into Bravesland still feels like fool's gold to me. I wish there were two places to put new teams but I'm not even sure there's one. I feel like the Nashville expansion talk was just a way to goose Dave Dombrowski's joining-and-leaving-front-offices numbers. Now he's churning through teams that don't even exist!

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