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12 minutes ago, Marlins93 said:

 

I'm sure fans of both teams loved Mussina. He was a great pitcher. But he pitched longer and better with Baltimore according to the statistics. Pitcher's wins say just as much about the lineup behind him--they aren't an individual achievement. And Mussina had a near perfect game with the Orioles, too. There's really nothing superior about his Yankees resume aside from more playoff appearances. But I don't think that matters much considering he never got a ring with them and his best postseason pitching performance was in 1997.

 

All-Star nods are hardware. Not as important as Cy Young awards but still hardware. Mussina played on an Orioles team than had Cal Ripken. You can't really consider his nods to be filling some kind of representation quota when you take that into consideration.

 

Seven of Mussina's best ten seasons were with the Orioles according to ERA+. The top three were with Baltimore (1994, 1992, 1995). I have nothing against the Yankees but Mussina's case seems pretty cut and dry. I'm a little shocked that he opted to go logo-less.

 

 

I saw a Mussina-Pedro matchup at Yankee Stadium back in 1999. Both had at least 12 K's, with the Yankees winning 2-1. Probably the best pitching matchup I've ever seen live.

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4 hours ago, slapshot said:

 

I saw a Mussina-Pedro matchup at Yankee Stadium back in 1999. Both had at least 12 K's, with the Yankees winning 2-1. Probably the best pitching matchup I've ever seen live.


I'm a Rays fan and slowing seeing the Rays play in every road park. I was fortunate/unfortunate enough to see King Felix throw a perfect game against the Rays in 2012. 

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12 hours ago, Marlins93 said:

I'm sure fans of both teams loved Mussina. He was a great pitcher. But he pitched longer and better with Baltimore according to the statistics. Pitcher's wins say just as much about the lineup behind him--they aren't an individual achievement. And Mussina had a near perfect game with the Orioles, too. There's really nothing superior about his Yankees resume aside from more playoff appearances. But I don't think that matters much considering he never got a ring with them and his best postseason pitching performance was in 1997.

 

All-Star nods are hardware. Not as important as Cy Young awards but still hardware. Mussina played on an Orioles team than had Cal Ripken. You can't really consider his nods to be filling some kind of representation quota when you take that into consideration.

 

Seven of Mussina's best ten seasons were with the Orioles according to ERA+. The top three were with Baltimore (1994, 1992, 1995). I have nothing against the Yankees but Mussina's case seems pretty cut and dry. I'm a little shocked that he opted to go logo-less.

 

I'd looked at the All-Star nods before my last post, and save for one it was a tandem of him and Cal.   But my comment was on overall rating of All-Star in weighing which side to go here.   They're just... so... not objective.   Either you've got fan voting, or you've got the opinion of one dude with his biases, or you've got the voting of peers.   Jason mutha%^&ing Varitek.

 

Two wins in the postseason with Baltimore.   A lot of garbage seasons for the team.   Five postseason wins in New York, two pennants, and the aforementioned near perfect games (I can't remember off the top of my head if it was once or twice but I have this feeling he got one out away twice despite only remembering exactly the circumstances of the one at Fenway), and his only 20-win season.   Context makes it less cut-and-dry.

 

But it sounds like you support a rather even analytical view rather than weighing other factors.   To each his own.

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If there's a possibility that they may change their name to the Cleveland Mussinas, then the current ongoing discussion might actually be relevant to the topic.

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17 hours ago, Marlins93 said:

 

I'm a little shocked that he opted to go logo-less.

 

He didn't leave the Orioles on good terms (not by his fault, either) and I think that may have played into his decision some.

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2 hours ago, McCall said:

If there's a possibility that they may change their name to the Cleveland Mussinas, then the current ongoing discussion might actually be relevant to the topic.

 

The Cleveland Mooses! 

Meese! Meeses. Whatever....

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Seemingly-random Cleveland Spiders reference today:

 

 

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6 hours ago, ptaylor said:

 

The Cleveland Mooses! 

Meese! Meeses. Whatever....


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On 1/26/2021 at 2:56 PM, JonBoy said:

He didn't leave the Orioles on good terms (not by his fault, either) and I think that may have played into his decision some.

 

And that's why players shouldn't always have the last word on which cap makes the plaque.  

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