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NBA Expansion Looming: Seattle and Las Vegas or Vancouver

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23 hours ago, colortv said:

 

You're comparing apples and oranges. Chicago and Milwaukee have combined metros of 11 million.  Combined state population of 18 million.

 

Sits in the middle of this region: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Lakes_Megalopolis

 

NYC and Philly have combined metro populations of over 25 million. 

 

Sits in the middle of this region: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northeast_megalopolis

 

It's simpe numbers.


In fairness, barely anyone lives in Illinois or Wisconsin outside of their main cities and their suburbs; save for the occasional college town.  I'm not sure how much any NBA teams even draw from outside of their suburbs anyway.  It's not like as it is, a whole lot of people are driving from Seymour, Scottsburg, or any of the towns on I-65 to see the Pacers on a Wednesday night.

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26 minutes ago, pepis21 said:

 

IIRC it was only for 5 years after relocation, after that all rights belong to OKC so Seattle would need to fight for it.

 

Yeah, there won't be a fight for it. And, I fully expect it won't be a shared history with OKC ... especially since after the move to OKC, the New Orleans Hornets/Pelicans gave their Charlotte history to the Bobcats/Hornets. I think at the time Stern and the NBA didn't want to fully commit to the Browns Deal.

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Seattle and Vegas are the only options here

 

lol @ even considering KC, Pittsburgh, Norfolk etc.  NBA doesn't need even more markets that their players don't even want to play in and will whine themselves out of at first opportunity 

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1 hour ago, sportsfan7 said:

Nope, the rights to the Sonics history stay in Seattle forever. The OKC ownership group owed the city an extra $30 million (on top of the $45 million up front) for breaking the lease since Seattle didn't get an NBA team within 5 years.

 

Ok, @Ridleylash was right. I found an article from 2008: https://www.seattletimes.com/sports/nba/seattle-to-retain-supersonics-banners-and-trophies/

Thunder owns name and logos of Sonics (and allowed to use their history) but when a new team arrive to Seattle they gonna transfer them without any cost.

 

  

1 hour ago, kimball said:

Yeah, there won't be a fight for it.

 

It was hyperbole. We all know that Thunder never wanted to be recognized as a Sonics so new Sonics would finally make them an expansion team they always want to be.

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Honestly, if the NBA wanted to, double expansion:

 

Seattle and Vancouver

 

Kansas City and Montreal

 

 

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On 1/10/2021 at 8:03 PM, SFGiants58 said:

 

Norfolk lasted way longer in MLB relocation talks (from about 2003-04) than one would expect. Granted, they were the backup plan should DC not get its act together in building a stadium, but still!

 

The Brewers were in the Virginia conversation in the late '90s too until Miller Park got built.

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25 minutes ago, Will94 said:

Yet  no love for Nashville?????

 

No way. Not in a league with Memphis.

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2 minutes ago, DG_ThenNowForever said:

 

No way. Not in a league with Memphis.

 

 

So Nashville's out  ?

 

 

 

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16 minutes ago, Will94 said:

 

 

So Nashville's out  ?

 

 

 

 

According to me, some guy on the internet? Yes.

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5 hours ago, colortv said:

Honestly, if the NBA wanted to, double expansion:

 

Seattle and Vancouver

 

Kansas City and Montreal

 

 

 

32 teams is the magic number for U.S. pro sports. It makes sense for divisional groups and scheduling.

 

After 32 would be 40, so in that case ...

 

Seattle

Vancouver

Kansas City

Montreal

Louisville

Las Vegas

Pittsburgh

Nashville

San Diego

St. Louis

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12 hours ago, Will94 said:

 

 

So Nashville's out  ?

 

 

 

It's like Tampa being brought up as an NBA expansion team.  They're already in the market for Orlando broadcasts, so it's essentially cannibalism to the NBA.

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9 hours ago, kimball said:

 

32 teams is the magic number for U.S. pro sports. It makes sense for divisional groups and scheduling.

 

After 32 would be 40, so in that case ...

Ok....let not get ahead of ourselves.  There has to be a limit, right?  At some point you're just oversaturating your product.

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In the NFL, players go where the money is, and there's only so much to go around, so every team has a legit chance of signing good players.  

 

In the NBA, the rules allow it so the best players have the leverage to pick and choose where they go (or at least where they won't go) so adding teams in places they don't want to be should be a non starter.  As for Nashville, I'm not sure most NBA players want to go somewhere where the n-word is part of many people's everyday vocabulary (based on my limited experience of two weeks two years apart.)

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17 hours ago, NicDB said:

In fairness, barely anyone lives in Illinois or Wisconsin outside of their main cities and their suburbs

 

No, this is actually a big difference between the two states; Illinois's population is concentrated on Chicago WAY more than Wisconsin's is on Milwaukee

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On 1/10/2021 at 9:03 PM, SFGiants58 said:

 

Norfolk lasted way longer in MLB relocation talks (from about 2003-04) than one would expect. Granted, they were the backup plan should DC not get its act together in building a stadium, but still!

 

Wasn't it northern Virginia in MLB talks? Like suburban D.C.?

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59 minutes ago, the admiral said:

No, this is actually a big difference between the two states; Illinois's population is concentrated on Chicago WAY more than Wisconsin's is on Milwaukee


Absolutely. The City of Chicago's population accounts for more than 20% of the people residing in the State of Illinois. If you take into account the Chicago Metro Area population, that figure rises to 75%. By comparison, the City of Milwaukee's percentage of Wisconsin's population amounts to 10%. Residents of the Milwaukee Metro Area make up just over a quarter of the state's population. 

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7 minutes ago, tigerslionspistonshabs said:

 

Wasn't it northern Virginia in MLB talks? Like suburban D.C.?

Northern Virginia was an option as well, like with the Astros back in the 90s, but Norfolk was also a (longshot) possibility for the Expos.

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47 minutes ago, McCall said:

Northern Virginia was an option as well, like with the Astros back in the 90s, but Norfolk was also a (longshot) possibility for the Expos.

 

Isn't Northern Virginia still an option as a possible home for a new stadium for the Washington Football Team?

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