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1 hour ago, FiddySicks said:

So, the Giants blew a 5-0 lead in the 7th and lost on a walkoff bases loaded walk on Opening Day. 

 

There is absolutely zero reason to waste any time watching them this year. I fully expect them to be even worse than the Rockies. 

 

I'll take it. I was concerned when it was 5-0, but it is nice to see the M's steal one at the end.

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i was think this the other day:

i think the MLB should have the Nationals play the Blue Jays each year (either in DC or Toronto) and have the Yankees play the Giants and the Dodgers either in California or in New York each year.  

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I like interleague, too but I wish the interleague schedule was more like the NFL's intraconference schedule. Bascially, play one division from the other league either at home or on the road. It would make the crosstown rivalries more special. Of course, interleague primarily exists so those rivalries can happen all the time, as they sell a lot of tickets.

I remember when it first started and people would say "nobody cares about a Royals/Pirates matchup." Maybe so, but nobody cared about Royals/Twins either.  The last thing I need when trying to figure out what game I'm going to is more Tigers games.  Getting the Padres or Nationals in on occasion is a nice change of pace.

 

That said, I know it's "just sports" but I do like the idea of the maintaining some scheduling integrity and doing the NFL-like division arrangement would be good for that.

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1 minute ago, OnWis97 said:

I like interleague, too but I wish the interleague schedule was more like the NFL's intraconference schedule. Bascially, play one division from the other league either at home or on the road. It would make the crosstown rivalries more special. Of course, interleague primarily exists so those rivalries can happen all the time, as they sell a lot of tickets.

I remember when it first started and people would say "nobody cares about a Royals/Pirates matchup." Maybe so, but nobody cared about Royals/Twins either.  The last thing I need when trying to figure out what game I'm going to is more Tigers games.  Getting the Padres or Nationals in on occasion is a nice change of pace.

 

That said, I know it's "just sports" but I do like the idea of the maintaining some scheduling integrity and doing the NFL-like division arrangement would be good for that.

 

For me, it was the Rangers. I have no idea how many Indians and Tigers games I've been to in my life, but I'm pretty sure they played the Rangers in about half of them. Anyway, before interleague play started, I had seen exactly three NL teams - Pirates vs. Reds at Riverfront and the Padres in the '84 World Series at Tiger Stadium. Since then, I think I just need the Giants, D-Backs, Braves, and Cardinals to complete the Bingo card. Oh, and the Brewers. They've been in both leagues yet I've somehow never seen them play.

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1 hour ago, infrared41 said:

 

Finally, an event that kills its viewers just might make soccer interesting enough to watch.

Fortunately that hasn't happened in England for a while. Then again you had hooligans from Russia attacking fans at the Euros in France, sometimes even in the stadium. 

23 minutes ago, Sport said:

 

I love interleague play and see it as correcting baseball's biggest wrong. Think about the hundreds of baseball greats who played during the exact same era as other baseball greats, but never against each other because they happened to be in opposite leagues. What a dumb system. Were it not for nostalgia and eschewing common sense in the name of tradition nobody would ever defend something so silly.  

I remember people saying it'd ruin baseball, but then the numbers jumped up and people forgot why they were angry about it. As long as the base runner is done after this year, I'm fine to deal with it for one more year. Not happy about it, but I understand why they're still doing it. 

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15 minutes ago, infrared41 said:

 

For me, it was the Rangers. I have no idea how many Indians and Tigers games I've been to in my life, but I'm pretty sure they played the Rangers in about half of them. Anyway, before interleague play started, I had seen exactly three NL teams - Pirates vs. Reds at Riverfront and the Padres in the '84 World Series at Tiger Stadium. Since then, I think I just need the Giants, D-Backs, Braves, and Cardinals to complete the Bingo card. Oh, and the Brewers. They've been in both leagues yet I've somehow never seen them play.

It's crazy when I am looking at what game(s) to attend and those four teams just dominate the schedule. I'd be all for unbalancing the intraleague schedule. Also, Cleveland vs. Texas in the 1980s at Municipal Stadium. That must have been one tough ticket to get...

 

A few years ago, I went back through my ballgame attendance history and determined the only team I was missing was the Dodgers. They came to Target field on like a Tuesday/Wednesday in April. It was cold, windy, drizzly and miserable.  But I needed to get that final notch on my belt. Nobody would go with me. So I went by myself. As an adult, I've traveled to a lot of ballparks (and have since been to Dodger Stadium), but as a kid in the 1980s, I never saw anyone. Sure, it wasn't Aaron and Mays, but I never saw Tony Gwynn,* Ozzie Smith, Eric Davis, etc.

 

*I was actually able to see the Padres Twice at County Stadium (First interleague and second after the Brewers made the switch) but Gywnn didn't play either game. Boo. I'd love to have seen Tony in his prime, wearing the awesome pinstriped road jersey (with the superior-to-yellow orange trim) in the dumpy Metrodome.

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And now something completely different. Cleveland will be using a pinch drummer for the start of the season:

https://www.espn.com/mlb/story/_/id/31183308/black-keys-drummer-fill-recovering-cleveland-indians-ballpark-fixture-john-adams

 

With longtime drummer and ballpark fixture John Adams recovering from heart surgery and unable to attend his first opener in Cleveland in 48 years, Black Keys drummer and lifelong Indians fan Patrick Carney will fill in and pound away from the left-field bleachers at Progressive Field during Monday's game against Detroit.

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Blanket opposition to interleague play is absurd, and means that you actually hate the sport you claim to love.  Why on earth would you want a system where half the cities in the league never get a chance to see Mike Trout or any of the other superstars?  Mike Trout may be one of the best players of all time, but he may as well just be a made-up fairy tale since I rarely get the chance to actually see him live (I think he's played in Phila like once maybe?)  

 

People say they love the sport, but want to hide half it's superstars and support boring-ass rules that turn people off to the game.  I used to be the most anti-DH person in the world, but you know what?  I'm sick and tired of an inning ending because of a pitcher making the third out with the bases loaded, and while the one time in a hundred that he gets a hit is very exciting, I just can't sit through the 99 anymore.

 

If you love "the game" so much, go watch an amateur game.  Seriously - any sport.  "Professional" sports started, and only exists to provide entertainment.  It does not have any obligation to the actual sport itself.  Go watch a high school game.

 

1. I say "you" as a general "you", not directed to any individual.

2. I agree with the points about the room for improvement in how interleague scheduling is done.  I'm not sure I know of any perfect system, but the current one isn't great.

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1 hour ago, OnWis97 said:

In person?

 

I don't know how many balls go into the stands, but I'd wager that your actual chance of being killed by the spikey ball is less than your chance of getting hit by a car, dying from illness, or dying of boredom from watching the game itself.

 

Now that I think about it, I think that if at least one fan isn't killed by the spike ball, then there should be extra time added until one is.  Soccer has silly timekeeping system anyway, so this should be very easy to implement.

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How about this - what if MLB adopted the spike ball, but only random balls had the spikes, and the spikes came out upon contact with the bat? 

 

So you may go a whole game without it happening (but I think they'd rig it so there would be at least one per game).  Some balls are used for literally only one pitch that hits the dirt and gets tossed out, so it may not be a factor at all.  But if a batter hits one that happens to be spike loaded, the fielders would have to decide if they wanted to make a play on it or get the hell out of the way.  You'd see outfielders running the ball back into the infield because they wouldn't want to throw the spiked ball at a teammate (and probably couldn't throw it far anyway) and line-drives back to the pitcher would likely be fatal.  If a spiked ball is fouled off, then the crowd needs to get the hell out of the way.  If a batter fouls the ball off his foot, he's probably going to have a hole in his foot.

 

Another alternative would be if instead of random balls, a manager could choose when a spiked ball is used - and would get one per game.  So maybe there's two outs and a runner on third and the manager of the hitting team wants to ensure that a fly ball doesn't get caught, he'd call for the spiked ball.

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58 minutes ago, OnWis97 said:

Also, Cleveland vs. Texas in the 1980s at Municipal Stadium. That must have been one tough ticket to get...

 

You haven't lived until you've attended a Friday doubleheader between the Indians and Rangers in August at the old stadium. It reminds me of the old joke - a guy calls Municipal and asks "what time is the game between the Indians and Rangers tonight? and the ticket rep says "what time can you be here?

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19 minutes ago, BBTV said:

 

I don't know how many balls go into the stands, but I'd wager that your actual chance of being killed by the spikey ball is less than your chance of getting hit by a car, dying from illness, or dying of boredom from watching the game itself.

 

Now that I think about it, I think that if at least one fan isn't killed by the spike ball, then there should be extra time added until one is.  Soccer has silly timekeeping system anyway, so this should be very easy to implement.

 

Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and nominate you for World Commissioner of Soccer.

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4 minutes ago, infrared41 said:

 

Yeah, I'm going to go ahead and nominate you for World Commissioner of Soccer.

 

Need to figure out a good way to integrate gorillas into the game.  It's not as straight forward and obvious as it is with American football.

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1 minute ago, BBTV said:

Need to figure out a good way to integrate gorillas into the game.  It's not as straight forward and obvious as it is with American football.

 

You figure that out and there's a decent chance soccer becomes a "big four" sport here.

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10 minutes ago, infrared41 said:

 

You haven't lived until you've attended a Friday doubleheader between the Indians and Rangers in August at the old stadium. It reminds me of the old joke - a guy calls Municipal and asks "what time is the game between the Indians and Rangers tonight? and the ticket rep says "what time can you be here?

When I think of Texas-Cleveland at Municipal Stadium...

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1 hour ago, infrared41 said:

 

Exactly. And I'll add this. When I was a kid, hell until the Braves popped up on TBS in the 80's when I was in my early 20's, the NL may as well have been playing on Mars. We got the occasional glimpse of NL players in the ASG or on NBC's Game of the Week, but other than that, players like Hank Aaron, Willie Stargell, Roberto Clemente, Johnny Bench, etc., were just pictures on baseball cards or in SI and Baseball Digest. I'm probably more on the "traditionalist" side with baseball, but no one was more excited about interleague play than I was. You're right, it was finally correcting a "wrong" I'd grown up with.

 

Great point. What baseball "FAN" would want a system that means you only see half of the sports' players come through your town? Not a very big baseball fan if you ask me. 

 

 

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3 minutes ago, Sport said:

Great point. What baseball "FAN" would want a system that means you only see half of the sports' players come through your town? Not a very big baseball fan if you ask me.

 

As I said earlier, I definitely lean towards "traditionalist", but the idea that we should keep the A's from playing the Giants or the Clevelands from playing the Reds because "it's tradition" is just...well...dumb. Why would a true baseball fan not want to see Mike Trout hit against Clayton Kershaw?

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3 hours ago, OnWis97 said:

However, that same reason is part of why I am anti-DH. Bartolo Colon's home run.

 

While I like the DH, I will reiterate that I am opposed to its use in the National League, for the reason you mentioned. For me the quintessential example of the surprise blast is Rick Camp's late-night home run against the Mets in 1985.

 

A pitcher's home run that was a key part of history was Rick Sutcliffe's mammoth shot out of Wrigley Field in game 1 of the 1984 NLCS. While younger people looking back tend to consider the eventual World Champion Tigers to have been the only story of 1984, the reality is that the huge lead that that tesm had on the rest of the A.L. East by virtue of their outrageous 35-5 start made the Tigers not much of an ongoing story during most of the season. Those of us who were around then know that the season's biggest story was the Cubs' race with the Mets in the N.L. East, and that the Cubs were the team that was considered that year's "team of destiny".  Sutcliffe's home run only strengthened this perception, which persisted right until the Padres completed one of the all-time upsets by defeating the unbeatable Sutcliffe (who had gone 16-1 in the regular season for the Cubs) in the NLCS's deciding fifth game. 

 

(Another interesting side point about that season is that the Cubs' divisional title was considered at the time to have broken the 1945 curse, a state of affairs which illustrates how important the divisional championships were before these titles were diminished by the introduction of the wild card. The 1969-1993 period was a time when a divisional championship meant nearly as much as a pennant, hence the 1983 White Sox and the 1985 Blue Jays being remembered as champions.)

 

So you may rest assured that I fully understand the coolness of pitchers hitting, as liking the DH does not equate to wanting to eradicate pitchers hitting. We should have both versions.

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1 minute ago, Ferdinand Cesarano said:

So you may rest assured you that I fully understand the coolness of pitchers hitting, as liking the DH does not equate to wanting to eradicate pitchers hitting. We should have both versions.

 

But fans don't get both versions.  We're stuck with one or the other based on what team we're a fan of.  

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