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MLB moves 2021 All-Star Game from Atlanta to Colorado

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3 minutes ago, Jimmy! said:

It's their second stadium in just under 30 years. People of Atlanta should be used to it by now.

 

Good point.

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28 minutes ago, Digby said:

Do we have any data on how much ASGs help the locals or is this filed away next to the “taxpayer-funded stadiums stimulate economic development”?

 

its filed under T for the Twilight Zone:

Rod Serling's Speculative Anti-racisms

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29 minutes ago, Digby said:

Do we have any data on how much ASGs help the locals or is this filed away next to the “taxpayer-funded stadiums stimulate economic development”?

 

i always wonder how much ASGs make for the local economies (not much i think when it is all said and down)

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39 minutes ago, Digby said:

I think what it comes down to is that it’s challenging to stick to sports when the sport  itself is not sticking to sports.


With all due respect to any mods and anyone else here, this is where I’m at with it. Kinda putting us in a catch 22 here. Sucks for both sides. 

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39 minutes ago, FiddySicks said:


With all due respect to any mods and anyone else here, this is where I’m at with it. Kinda putting us in a catch 22 here. Sucks for both sides. 

 

Yeah, Atlanta lost the game because Georgia passed a voter suppression law. I can't thread this needle. I feel bad for lots of Braves fans here.

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2 hours ago, infrared41 said:

 

Perhaps, but MLB also just took a lot money out of a lot of people's pockets in Atlanta.

 

Woolworth's lunch counter lost money in the 60s. So too did the Montgomery bus system.

 

But also, it's baseball. There are still 81 other opportunities to overcharge people for parking and Coca-Cola products.

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Because it's an All-Star Game in recent memory, the easy comparison is with the NBA taking the game away from Charlotte because of the bathroom police, but I think this is really more like the time the NFL was prepared to strip the Super Bowl from Phoenix because Arizona wouldn't observe Martin Luther King Day -- it's a response to a transgression so egregious that there really wasn't a choice. What baseball is responding to here is so clearly bad that it makes the pee stuff seem almost arcane in comparison. 

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16 minutes ago, DG_ThenNowForever said:

 

Woolworth's lunch counter lost money in the 60s. So too did the Montgomery bus system.

 

But also, it's baseball. There are still 81 other opportunities to overcharge people for parking and Coca-Cola products.

 

Fair point.

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1 hour ago, Digby said:

Do we have any data on how much ASGs help the locals or is this filed away next to the “taxpayer-funded stadiums stimulate economic development”?

 

San Antonio is getting $27 million for hosting the Final Four this year. I'm sure $10-$12 million would be a decent figure for the week. 

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If you all will indulge me, I'm going to post these details from SavannahNow.com (first article I found in a search) and we can discuss what the problems are with these changes. I'm working from an article so it's entirely possible that it has left out key details.

 

The piece it titled "New Georgia Voting Bill brings sweeping changes. Here is how it will impact you."

 

  • The absentee ballot request period is shorter starting 11 weeks before the election and ending 11 days before.
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  • Runoff elections are shortened to four weeks instead of nine.
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  • Tightens requirements for county elections supervisors such as requiring them to have absentee ballots counted by 5pm the day after an election.
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  • Bans the use of mobile voting buses for early voting except in the case of emergencies.
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  • Drop boxes have been authorized for use by law, but are only available during voting hours and are placed inside early voting locations.There is also a population cap on how many can be set up. Drop boxes can be capped at one per 100,000 active voters in the county or one for every voting location. Counties must choose between the smaller of the two. Drop boxes will only be accessible during early voting.
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  • Passing out food and drink to voters is also criminalized and partisan poll workers will have to undergo training. Poll workers can pass out water to voters.
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  • The Secretary of State would no longer chair the State Election Board and would instead be appointed by legislators.

Feel free to tell me what should be added to the list. All I ask is that we can cite where we got the info.

 

EDIT:  @DG_ThenNowForever has added this to the list.

 

 

https://twitter.com/Esosa_Osa/status/1378458660297441281?s=20

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2 hours ago, infrared41 said:

 

Perhaps, but MLB also just took a lot money out of a lot of people's pockets in Atlanta.

Or Cobb County,  which is 20 miles from Atlanta. Just guessing a lot of the people you think this is affecting aren't taking 20 mile ubers to their hot dog cooking job 20 miles away.

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37 minutes ago, the admiral said:

Because it's an All-Star Game in recent memory, the easy comparison is with the NBA taking the game away from Charlotte because of the bathroom police, but I think this is really more like the time the NFL was prepared to strip the Super Bowl from Phoenix because Arizona wouldn't observe Martin Luther King Day -- it's a response to a transgression so egregious that there really wasn't a choice. What baseball is responding to here is so clearly bad that it makes the pee stuff seem almost arcane in comparison. 


Well, I said exactly this earlier but flew too close to the sun, so it got MOD EDIT’d out. It took the federal government threatening to cancel Arizona’s transportation budget to get them to change. I’m not trying to be “too political” by saying that, either. I’m just pointing out that in the grand scheme of things, this isn’t unheard of. But a lot of this probably doesn’t matter until the federal government steps in, and that’s where I’ll stop. Out of respect for the rules. 

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Just now, schlim said:

Or Cobb County,  which is 20 miles from Atlanta. Just guessing a lot of the people you think this is affecting aren't taking 20 mile ubers to their hot dog cooking job 20 miles away.

 

I don't know who I think this is affecting. I was just pointing out that a lot of money will not make it to the local economy. It wasn't meant to be taking a position. It was just an observation.

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5 minutes ago, infrared41 said:

If you all will indulge me, I'm going to post these details from SavannahNow.com (first article I found in a search) and we can discuss what the problems are with these changes. I'm working from an article so it's entirely possible that it has left out key details.

 

The piece it titled "New Georgia Voting Bill brings sweeping changes. Here is how it will impact you."

 

  • The absentee ballot request period is shorter starting 11 weeks before the election and ending 11 days before.
  •  
  • Runoff elections are shortened to four weeks instead of nine.
  •  
  • Tightens requirements for county elections supervisors such as requiring them to have absentee ballots counted by 5pm the day after an election.
  •  
  • Bans the use of mobile voting buses for early voting except in the case of emergencies.
  •  
  • Drop boxes have been authorized for use by law, but are only available during voting hours and are placed inside early voting locations.There is also a population cap on how many can be set up. Drop boxes can be capped at one per 100,000 active voters in the county or one for every voting location. Counties must choose between the smaller of the two. Drop boxes will only be accessible during early voting.
  •  
  • Passing out food and drink to voters is also criminalized and partisan poll workers will have to undergo training. Poll workers can pass out water to voters.
  •  
  • The Secretary of State would no longer chair the State Election Board and would instead be appointed by legislators.

Feel free to tell me what should be added to the list. All I ask is that we can cite where we got the info.


I just wanna say that I appreciate you (and the rest of the mods) taking the time to understand that there is a bit more nuance to this particular matter. I know you guys face some tough choices at times, and I want to thank y’all for at least being through.

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1 minute ago, FiddySicks said:


I just wanna say that I appreciate you (and the rest of the mods) taking the time to understand that there is a bit more nuance to this particular matter. I know you guys face some tough choices at times, and I want to thank y’all for at least being through.

 

After much discussion amongst the mod squad, it was decided that we would allow a little leeway on this one. All we ask is that it remains civil.

 

Full transparency, I'm still not crazy about the idea, but I'm more than willing to have you all prove me wrong. 😎

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5 minutes ago, infrared41 said:

 

I don't know who I think this is affecting. I was just pointing out that a lot of money will not make it to the local economy. It wasn't meant to be taking a position. It was just an observation.

I suppose that's a side-effect of almost any such boycott, be it for states using the Confederate Flag prominently or the aforementioned Arizona and North Carolina issues. Several musicians cancelled concerts in North Carolina that year. The idea is to hurt the economy (thereby sending a message to politicians, but there is definitely some service-worker collateral damage. I say that without commentary (I think) and without really knowing what's "right."

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9 minutes ago, infrared41 said:

 

After much discussion amongst the mod squad, it was decided that we would allow a little leeway on this one. All we ask is that it remains civil.

 

Full transparency, I'm still not crazy about the idea, but I'm more than willing to have you all prove me wrong. 😎

I like the decision.  I think we should be able to talk about it without mentioning T***p, B***n, or even G******R K**P.

 

Sports has often been on the forefront of social movement. In fact, I could make that argument that this isn't "politics" at all (though the potential for explosiveness means it's effectively so), just like integration wasn't "politics."

 

This is a strange time in America and MLB is probably waking quite a tightrope, here. But hey, after I get vaccinated I might want to catch a Twins game and less competition (from those who I am guessing tend towards the anti-social distancing and anti-masking) is fine by me!

 

Hopefully in other threads we'll be able to try this out, for example, the name/imagery of the very team that is no longer hosting the game. Not to mention Cleveland and Washington. Even if you have to be quick with the suspensions.

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It sucks because this game should have been a celebration of Hank Aaron. Real bummer for the fans, but Georgia's government did it to themselves. (And no, they can't move it to Milwaukee instead; if you don't like what a gerrymandered Republican legislature is doing in Georgia, you're really not gonna like what's cookin' in Wisconsin.)

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Just now, OnWis97 said:

I suppose that's a side-effect of almost any such boycott, be it for states using the Confederate Flag prominently or the aforementioned Arizona and North Carolina issues. Several musicians cancelled concerts in North Carolina that year. The idea is to hurt the economy (thereby sending a message to politicians, but there is definitely some service-worker collateral damage. I say that without commentary (I think) and without really knowing what's "right."

 

It's classic utilitarianism. Doing what most benefits the "common good." That's a noble, but flawed aspiration. In our rush to do the most good, we tend to overlook the fact that someone is always getting screwed in the process. Be it Coca-Cola or some Mom & Pop joint in Cobb County. Sure, Coca-Cola will lose money and in the abstract we think "Coke has plenty of money. They can take the hit." We forget the part that results in working people (often the very people we're trying to protect) being laid off or let go because the money Coke lost on the ASG had an effect on the quarterly balance sheet and that money ain't gonna reprint itself. We gotta serve the shareholders so lay off or fire enough people to make up the difference.

 

I'm saying it's right or wrong. I'm just saying it's never as clear cut as it looks.

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7 minutes ago, OnWis97 said:

Hopefully in other threads we'll be able to try this out, for example, the name/imagery of the very team that is no longer hosting the game. Not to mention Cleveland and Washington.

 

Let's not get carried away. The sample size of threads about the Clevelands or Football Team is large enough that I don't see it happening. 😎

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