infrared41 Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 22 minutes ago, IceCap said: 42 minutes ago, infrared41 said: How many Matthew Stafford posts will it take to make this happen? Asking for...who am I kidding? I'm asking for me because I think it would be funny. Well damn. That's all I needed. Done. All roads lead to Dollar General. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
habsfan1 Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SFGiants58 Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 Ah yes, UrinatingTree - MOD EDIT: No politics. The only good he's done is signal-boosting Tom Grossi. MLB: Project 32 (Complete), MLB: The Defunct Saga (Complete) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartacat_12 Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 47 minutes ago, dont care said: I don’t know how you can say he was “clearly the best player on the field” when I didn’t even notice him until the last 2 plays. Kupp made plays all game, and was the only option that last drive. He willed them to win. You didn't notice him because the Bengals o-line was double/triple teaming him on most plays. When a guy is good enough to draw that much attention it opens things up for other players, which is why the Rams were able to tie the record for sacks in a Super Bowl. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crabcake Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 I honestly was surprised when I found out there was such a debate regarding Matt Stafford, cause I thought we all kind of agreed what he was: a good-to-very-good QB with obvious flaws in his game that were amplified due to the fact that he had the extreme misfortune of playing for the Detroit Lions. In terms of his HOF candidacy, I really couldn’t give a rat’s behind about it, because Hall of Fame cases in both football and baseball are pointless. Cooperstown voters vote in who they want based on whether they like a guy or not, while Canton swings the complete opposite direction on the pendulum by making the proverbial “Hall of Very Good” an actual thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCarp1231 Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 Apparently to the NFL, tanking at the owner’s request is more severe than sexual harassment by the owner https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/brian-flores-lawsuit-dolphins-stephen-ross-could-lose-team-if-tanking-allegations-proven-true-per-report/amp/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sec19Row53 Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 3 hours ago, ManillaToad said: Namath is in because of The Guarantee (the legacy of which is undersold more and more as the years go on), he won AFL MVP twice, SB MVP, ROTY, an NFL All Pro, 4 AFL All Pros, made the AFL All-Time Team, and threw for 4000 yards 12 years before anyone else. Somehow his reputation over the years turned into "Dude sucked but said the Jets were gonna win the Super Bowl and he wore fur coats", I don't know why Let's give Joe his due. He completed 50.1% of his career passes for 173 TDs and 220 Ints. I get that I'm the same guy who said stats matter according to their timeframe, but those are ... something. It's where I sit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Indigo Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 1 hour ago, BBTV said: Is it though? Are the Rams scrutinized in the media the way the NFL teams are in cities where they're the #1 thing in town? Maybe they are - I don't follow LA sports - but I highly doubt that there's as much media pressure on the Rams as there would be for the Giants, Eagles, Steelers, etc. Are the Rams even a top 5 sports team in LA? I'm assuming it's Lakers, Dodgers, maybe soccer, Clippers, then Rams? Again, I don't know. But I don't think it's a hot take at all to say there's less pressure to play in LA. Hell - half of "OUR HOUSE" isn't even their fans. Sure, the Rams don’t have a large (or even medium) fanbase in LA (given that they’ve been gone for 20 years and a new generation that only knows post-Tom Brady either don’t know of or forgot the Greatest Show on Turf). But media scrutiny is still a real thing in LA, big fanbase or not. Look at the Lakers and Dodgers. The only difference is LA fans care more about the team. The media is just as prevalent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tBBP Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 16 minutes ago, Sec19Row53 said: Let's give Joe his due. He completed 50.1% of his career passes for 173 TDs and 220 Ints. I get that I'm the same guy who said stats matter according to their timeframe, but those are ... something. Hold up-- can we see the TD/INT line for every other QB in the Hall? I knew Broadway Joe threw a bunch of INTs over his career, but that many more than TDs? That is nuts. Also, Still L.O.L. @ the whole "Matt Stafford is a HOFer" line. The only reason this even came up is because the Rams won the SB. They lose, and no one's bringing that point up. You want proof? Go back and look through the last couple weeks' worth of posts and see what folk been saying about his (and for that matter the Rams') play. But since SUPERB OWL and all that, now you wanna even try to tell me dude belongs on the hall? Miss me with that one. (And I say this as a guy who genuinely likes the guy and loved him as a competitor in Detroit.) *Disclaimer: I am not an authoritative expert on stuff...I just do a lot of reading and research and keep in close connect with a bunch of people who are authoritative experts on stuff. || dribbble || Behance || Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Discrim Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 16 hours ago, burgundy said: As someone who has been forced to watch the Lions on local TV, Stafford was the type of QB you spend on. Unfortunately, his best years were wasted while getting beat up in Detroit. But even at his current level of play I'd take him over Tannehill or Carr. As someone who sees the Lions semi-frequently as opponents, I'm still not over that chicken fight he started in Chicago early in his career (how he wasn't ejected, I'll never know)...but he was that QB a lot of teams would kill for. A shame the Lions were the Lions, but eh. A strong mind gets high off success, a weak mind gets high off bull Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCarp1231 Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 I’ll never understand the argument behind Stafford not being a HoFer. He did all he could for a horrendous organization for a dozen seasons. They never attempted to build a good team around him. All he had was Calvin Johnson. To Detroit, Stafford was a scrub and was happy to ship him out of town for some Doritos and a pack of cigs. It took Stafford 13 seasons to get a ring. All it took was a team who actually cared enough to see Stafford’s potential. What a shame it wasn’t Detroit, but then again, that franchise deserves to live it up in the cellar of NFL irrelevance for eternity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LMU Posted February 14, 2022 Share Posted February 14, 2022 26 minutes ago, tBBP said: Hold up-- can we see the TD/INT line for every other QB in the Hall? I knew Broadway Joe threw a bunch of INTs over his career, but that many more than TDs? That is nuts. Also, Still L.O.L. @ the whole "Matt Stafford is a HOFer" line. The only reason this even came up is because the Rams won the SB. They lose, and no one's bringing that point up. You want proof? Go back and look through the last couple weeks' worth of posts and see what folk been saying about his (and for that matter the Rams') play. But since SUPERB OWL and all that, now you wanna even try to tell me dude belongs on the hall? Miss me with that one. (And I say this as a guy who genuinely likes the guy and loved him as a competitor in Detroit.) Sure! I'll limit to players playing after 1940 Aikman - 61.5%, 165/141 Baugh - 56.5%, 187/203 Blanda - 47.7%, 236/277 Bradshaw - 51.9%, 212/210 Dawson - 57.1%, 239/183 Elway - 56.9%, 300/226 Favre - 62%, 508/336 Fouts - 58.8%, 254/242 Graham - 55.8%, 174/135 Griese - 56.2%, 192/172 Jurgensen - 57.1%, 255/189 Kelly - 60.1%, 237/175 Layne - 49%, 196/243 Luckman - 51.8%, 137/132 Manning - 65.3%, 539/251 Marino - 59.4%, 420/252 Montana - 63.2%, 273/139 Moon - 58.4%, 291/233 Stabler - 59.8%, 194/222 Starr - 57.4%, 152/138 Staubach - 57%, 153/109 Tarkenton - 57%, 342/266 Tittle - 55.2%, 242/248 Unitas - 54.6%, 290/253 Van Brocklin - 53.6%, 173/178 Warner - 65.5%, 208/128 Waterfield - 50.3%, 97/128 Young - 64.3%, 232/107 --- Stafford - 63%, 323/161 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DoctorWhom Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 2 hours ago, DCarp1231 said: I’ll never understand the argument behind Stafford not being a HoFer. He did all he could for a horrendous organization for a dozen seasons. They never attempted to build a good team around him. All he had was Calvin Johnson. To Detroit, Stafford was a scrub and was happy to ship him out of town for some Doritos and a pack of cigs. It took Stafford 13 seasons to get a ring. All it took was a team who actually cared enough to see Stafford’s potential. What a shame it wasn’t Detroit, but then again, that franchise deserves to live it up in the cellar of NFL irrelevance for eternity. You don't deserve the Hall of Fame because you were a really good player stuck on a :censored:ty team. What's his resume? A single Pro Bowl and now a Super Bowl ring. Yet somehow he's more deserving than a guy like Kurt Warner? A guy that was a 2x MVP, 4x Pro Bowl, 2x Passing TD Leader, 3x Completion percentage leader, 2x Passer Rating leader What does Stafford have in comparison to that? For a time, Warner was considered the best QB in the NFL, when has Stafford ever been considered one of the best? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BBTV Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 2 hours ago, DCarp1231 said: I’ll never understand the argument behind Stafford not being a HoFer. He did all he could for a horrendous organization for a dozen seasons. They never attempted to build a good team around him. Doesn't matter. It's the hall of FAME. It's very subjective, and there's tons of intangibles involved. If you feel that football-card stats or fantasy points are good enough for entry? That's cool. I just disagree - strongly. Up until this season, Matt Stafford had absolutely no impact on the NFL or the history of the game. There was literally no difference in the world whether he ever played or not. Joe Namath, regardless of stat line, is 100% absolutely a HOFer in my book. He transcended the game and became a pop-culture icon. Up until last night, if Matt Stafford knocked on my door, while dressed in his full uniform and holding a football, and asked me if I wanted to have a catch, I'd have had no idea who he was. "The views expressed here are mine and do not reflect the official opinion of my employer or the organization through which the Internet was accessed." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rockstar Matt Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 5 hours ago, dont care said: I don’t know how you can say he was “clearly the best player on the field” when I didn’t even notice him until the last 2 plays. Kupp made plays all game, and was the only option that last drive. He willed them to win. Just because you didn’t notice doesn’t mean others didn’t. He was dominant throughout, more so in the second half after the Rams made some halftime adjustments to free him up. Cowboys - Lakers - LAFC - USMNT - LA Rams - LA Kings - NUFC Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tBBP Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 Serious question--and I don't know where this Matt Stafford HoFer campaign started (I don't doubt t it came from some L.A. fan somewhere, unless it started in here in which case...whatever)--and since this is the internet, who knows if the answers that come next are legitimately true, especially from the L.A. fans, BUT: would we even be having this argument if Stafford was still spinning it in Detroit?? Spoiler *Disclaimer: I am not an authoritative expert on stuff...I just do a lot of reading and research and keep in close connect with a bunch of people who are authoritative experts on stuff. || dribbble || Behance || Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldschoolvikings Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 6 hours ago, DCarp1231 said: I’ll never understand the argument behind Stafford not being a HoFer. He did all he could for a horrendous organization for a dozen seasons. They never attempted to build a good team around him. All he had was Calvin Johnson. To Detroit, Stafford was a scrub and was happy to ship him out of town for some Doritos and a pack of cigs. It took Stafford 13 seasons to get a ring. All it took was a team who actually cared enough to see Stafford’s potential. What a shame it wasn’t Detroit, but then again, that franchise deserves to live it up in the cellar of NFL irrelevance for eternity. I'm hesitant to jump into the argument, but as someone who has lived in Detroit and watched the Lions for Staffords' entire career, this is 100% not true. Lions fans (of which I am thankfully not one) can send you the complete list of all the late game pick sixes, and short arm underthrows, if you want to see it. Not to mention, just two weeks ago, he tried really hard to give you this... Jaquiski Tartt makes this easy catch, and every Lion fan would be saying, "seen that before". Stafford's good, not great. He'll probably get in the HOF because of the story, the hype, and his wife, but he's not great by any standard. And, honestly... the biggest thing he never did in Detroit is try, in any way possible, to improve his team. Never complained, never called out ownership, nothing. Just calmly collected his giant paycheck and quietly snoozed thru one losing season after another. You'll never know what Brady, Manning, Brees, or Rodgers would've done with 12 years on a losing team because none of them would've stood for it. http://dstewartpaint.blogspot.com/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DEAD! Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 How about we just wait until his career is over before we make a proper assessment as to whether Stafford is a hall of famer? I saw, I came, I left. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DCarp1231 Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 28 minutes ago, oldschoolvikings said: Stafford's good, not great. He'll probably get in the HOF because of the story, the hype, and his wife, but he's not great by any standard. He’s had his entire career overshadowed by Brady, Manning, Rodgers, etc. While on a lame duck organization that is Detroit, he’s consistently been in the Top 10 QBs nearly every year Detroit 2009- 25th (rookie) 2010- 45th (injury) 2011- 3rd 2012- 2nd 2013- 3rd 2014- 9th 2015- 8th 2016- 6th 2017- 3rd 2018- 16th 2019- 29th (injury) 2020- 12th Rams 2021- 3rd 9/13 seasons in the Top 10 5/13 seasons in the Top 3 The Super Bowl win certainly accelerated his chances, but he’s definitely worthy of the call without. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DG_YouKnowWhatThatMeans Posted February 15, 2022 Share Posted February 15, 2022 If Megatron is a hall of famer (and he is), shouldn't also the guy throwing him the ball? 1 hour ago, ShutUpLutz! said: and the drunken doodoobags jumping off the tops of SUV's/vans/RV's onto tables because, oh yeah, they are drunken drug abusing doodoobags Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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