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2021 NFL Season - Adults Arguing About Matt Stafford


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48 minutes ago, tBBP said:

Serious question--and I don't know where this Matt Stafford HoFer campaign started (I don't doubt t it came from some L.A. fan somewhere, unless it started in here in which case...whatever)--and since this is the internet, who knows if the answers that come next are legitimately true, especially from the L.A. fans, BUT: would we even be having this argument if Stafford was still spinning it in Detroit??

 

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I doubt we'd be having the debate, but I'd still be making Stafford's case for the HOF. My feeling is titles are weighted much too heavily by the HOF voters. Some times you gotta give the guys who managed to put up huge numbers on bad teams their due too. No one is arguing that Jim Plunkett and his two SB wins should be in over Dan Fouts and his zero SB appearances. Fouts was a no-brainer and Jim Plunkett is a flat out no. Maybe a better example is the HOF QBs who don't have a SB win, are in the top 20 in all time passing yards, and have less passing yards than Stafford does at #12 all time.

 

Warren Moon - 13

Fran Tarkenton - 14

Dan Fouts - 18

 

Point being that big numbers has to play a role in HOF selection at some point. There are players who got in on their numbers and players who got in because they were famous. I'd argue that the HOF as currently set up has room for both.

 

All that being said, if I had my way, we'd be talking about all the undeserving players who need to be removed from the HOF and placed in the Hall of the Really Good. But the Pro Football HOF is hell bent on making sure we get at least 4-5 new names every year so here we are debating the merits of two QBs that I probably wouldn't vote for anyway. 😎

 

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Sherm isn't wrong. Stafford getting into Canton seems laughable. But as we discussed in the other thread about the Class of 2022, the bar is lower than ever. Mid-card mainstay QBs like Matt Ryan, Philip Rivers, Ken Anderson are definitely getting in now. Stafford could use another trip to the SB to solidify his candidacy, but he's strangely in the convo now.

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52 minutes ago, DoctorWhom said:

Can't disagree with Sherman here. 


Sherman echoes my thoughts exactly. I know the HOF bar has been lowered, but for me Stafford needs to win more chips to get into this conversation. He’s playing in an era with hyper inflated QB stats (and volume stats are the WORST way to evaluate a QB). I don’t care if he’s top 10 in this era. That’s not good enough for me.
 

The Hall of Fame is suppose to be the best of even the great, elite players in our league. He has never been considered one of the top 3 or 4 QB’s in his era. At any point. Not even this season, his championship season. 
 

If Matt Stafford is a Hall of Fame QB, then so is Phillip Rivers, Tony Romo, Derek Carr, Matt Ryan and Kirk Cousins. 
 

IMO, this season put Stafford ahead of the guys I just listed, but not on the level of the all-time great Hall of Fame QB’s he played against.

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10 hours ago, dont care said:

I don’t know how you can say he was “clearly the best player on the field” when I didn’t even notice him until the last 2 plays. Kupp made plays all game, and was the only option that last drive. He willed them to win.

 

Cincy's O Line trying to start :censored: with him after that push of Burrow to send him out of bounds is arguably the moment the Rams front seven really awoke.  Also, perhaps Donald commanding double and triple teams is why his name wasn't being called.

On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said:
You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now.
On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said:
Today, we are all otaku.

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6 hours ago, DoctorWhom said:

You don't deserve the Hall of Fame because you were a really good player stuck on a :censored:ty team. 

What's his resume? A single Pro Bowl and now a Super Bowl ring. Yet somehow he's more deserving than a guy like Kurt Warner?  A guy that was a 2x MVP, 4x Pro Bowl, 2x Passing TD Leader, 3x Completion percentage leader, 2x Passer Rating leader

 

What does Stafford have in comparison to that?

For a time, Warner was considered the best QB in the NFL, when has Stafford ever been considered one of the best? 

 

Warner also had the exclusive services of a HOF RB/WR slashback, 2 HOF or should-be HOF receivers, and a freakish monster of a HOF LT in St. Louis.  Stafford had....Calvin Johnson, which is better than nothing mind you but, let's consider what Kurt Warner had at his disposal in the glory days.

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On 8/1/2010 at 4:01 PM, winters in buffalo said:
You manage to balance agitation with just enough salient points to keep things interesting. Kind of a low-rent DG_Now.
On 1/2/2011 at 9:07 PM, Sodboy13 said:
Today, we are all otaku.

"The city of Peoria was once the site of the largest distillery in the world and later became the site for mass production of penicillin. So it is safe to assume that present-day Peorians are descended from syphilitic boozehounds."-Stephen Colbert

POTD: February 15, 2010, June 20, 2010

The Glorious Bloom State Penguins (NCFAF) 2014: 2-9, 2015: 7-5 (L Pineapple Bowl), 2016: 1-0 (NCFAB) 2014-15: 10-8, 2015-16: 14-5 (SMC Champs, L 1st Round February Frenzy)

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7 hours ago, DCarp1231 said:

He’s had his entire career overshadowed by Brady, Manning, Rodgers, etc. While on a lame duck organization that is Detroit, he’s consistently been in the Top 10 QBs nearly every year

 

(Buncha stats)

 

 

Again, a lame duck organization that he quietly supported and collected his checks.

 

I know he has impressive stats, but living here and watching it happen, those stats came 75% after the game was long out of reach. Local radio guy nicknamed Matt Stafford "Stat Padford".

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8 hours ago, DCarp1231 said:

He’s had his entire career overshadowed by Brady, Manning, Rodgers, etc.

 

I'm fairly certain that Brady, Manning, Rodgers, and a host of others would have been able to salvage something in Detroit.  Stafford just seems like a nice guy that does it for the check.  He's good enough to have gotten paid at lots of places or forced a trade (which could have set up Detroit for success too) but was content losing.

 

He is a loser.  Losing didn't bother him.  The Hall should be for winners.

 

I'm really tired of looking at statistics - they're meaningless.  Put him in the fantasy sports HOF.  He is a L O S E R (who just happened to win).

 

Can't wait for "Adults Arguing about Matt Ryan", who (spoiler alert) isn't a HOFer either, but like Sherman said, has a better case than Stafford.

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4 minutes ago, DCarp1231 said:

It’s a Detroit problem more than a Stafford problem.

 

The Lions apparently thought they’d get somewhere with Goff instead of Stafford, but ended up sinking even lower

 

 

Umm... No.  

 

They thought they'd get a boatload of picks for Stafford so they could try (and probably fail) to rebuild for the one thousands time.  No one in this town thought they'd win anything with Goff.

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4 minutes ago, DCarp1231 said:

It’s a Detroit problem more than a Stafford problem.

 

The Lions apparently thought they’d get somewhere with Goff instead of Stafford, but ended up sinking even lower

 

You are seriously trolling at this point.  That's not in insult - it's a complement, because it's working - but you're being intentionally dense to get reactions, just like with some of your contrarian takes in the logos forum.

 

I'll lower myself and respond.  THEY GOT THREE FIRST ROUND PICKS FOR STAFFORD.  They don't give a damn about Goff, they just needed to take his salary to get those picks.  Seriously - you know that.  Stop trolling.

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10 minutes ago, oldschoolvikings said:

Umm... No.  

 

They thought they'd get a boatload of picks for Stafford so they could try (and probably fail) to rebuild for the one thousands time.  No one in this town thought they'd win anything with Goff.


And even with the draft pick haul they got, I doubt they win anything with that either. It’s Detroit and I won’t change my mind until they do something they haven’t done in over 30 years: win a playoff game.

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21 minutes ago, BBTV said:

 

You are seriously trolling at this point.  That's not in insult - it's a complement, because it's working - but you're being intentionally dense to get reactions, just like with some of your contrarian takes in the logos forum.

 

I'll lower myself and respond.  THEY GOT THREE FIRST ROUND PICKS FOR STAFFORD.  They don't give a damn about Goff, they just needed to take his salary to get those picks.  Seriously - you know that.  Stop trolling.

I’m not sure how thinking Stafford is HoF and providing solid points is considered trolling or being intentionally dense.

 

Stafford is a legitimate case HoF. Sorry he played for Detroit, I guess?

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36 minutes ago, BBTV said:

 

I'm fairly certain that Brady, Manning, Rodgers, and a host of others would have been able to salvage something in Detroit.  Stafford just seems like a nice guy that does it for the check.  He's good enough to have gotten paid at lots of places or forced a trade (which could have set up Detroit for success too) but was content losing.

 

He is a loser.  Losing didn't bother him.  The Hall should be for winners.

 

I'm really tired of looking at statistics - they're meaningless.  Put him in the fantasy sports HOF.  He is a L O S E R (who just happened to win).

 

 

Every sentence in this argument applies to Mike Trout, except for the winning a title part.

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59 minutes ago, BBTV said:

He is a loser.  Losing didn't bother him.  The Hall should be for winners.

 

I'm really tired of looking at statistics - they're meaningless.  Put him in the fantasy sports HOF.  He is a L O S E R

 

Just curious, would apply the same standard to someone like Ernie Banks if we were debating the baseball HOF?

 

Anyway, by today's football HOF standards (or lack thereof) Stafford is a Hall of Famer. By infrared41's football HOF standards, he ain't even close.

 

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Jesus :censored:ing christ sports media, will you stop :censored:ing talking about Brady for one hot :censored:ing minute... he is not coming back in the midsts of the next season.

The man is now retired, the next thing he should be discussed is Hall of Fame in 5 years.

Shut the :censored: up.

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2 hours ago, DCarp1231 said:

I’m not sure how thinking Stafford is HoF and providing solid points is considered trolling or being intentionally dense.

 

Stafford is a legitimate case HoF. Sorry he played for Detroit, I guess?

 

People are saying you're trolling because you tried to make it sound like the Lions traded Stafford for Goff straight up. It was clearly a downgrade at the position, which is why they got a boatload of picks in exchange for taking on his contract.

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2 hours ago, DCarp1231 said:

I’m not sure how thinking Stafford is HoF and providing solid points is considered trolling or being intentionally dense.

 

Stafford is a legitimate case HoF. Sorry he played for Detroit, I guess?


you’re not even responding about the point you made where I called out your trolling.   It has nothing to do wether you think Stafford is a HOFer. That’s a defendable argument, even if I disagree with it. 

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22 hours ago, See Red said:

Matthew Stafford is better than Ben Roethlisberger.  Would seem to me having great offensive lines, wide receivers, and defenses for the entirety of your career would be a bigger advantage than playing for an inept franchise that nobody cares about.


Lol, what? 

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